I hate tier bull ****. Graal's not ****ing COD, so don't act like it. Graal's a simple game. Era's a mess because they continue trying to outdo previous guns and make their entire combat system so complicated. Classic is pristine because everything is overly simplified to the point of perfection practically. Weapons should be fairly similar in stats, with lower-end guns obviously, while not having any single gun being the "go-to" gun. All the "best" guns should have pretty much the same stats, with maybe the slightest alteration. Keep it simple. People don't play Graal to have to go hardcore into gun statistics.

Cod doesn't really have a tier weapon system. It's all just pay to win now.

John wtf are you talkig about lol, no tier of weapons are made to flaw anything, if you can't beat someone regardless of the gun theyre using then its that you can't fight, anyone can take on a railgun with a beamer if they know how to fight. And saying that i buffed weapons for myself is absurd

did the balance team forget to balance gatling guns or are gatling guns the weapons they mainly used?

for something with low fire rate it sure has some high attack power, but like geno said it's still managable to defeat them. :blush:

I liked PKing when any gun actually could take on any other gun. Not this garbage that anyone can say "an er beamer can take on rail." Well of course it can, but it doesn't. That's like saying an ant could kill a person. I mean, it's possible but you can't just say that and sound intelligent. PK was nice when all guns actually were competitive. When love rifle & metallic rifle were the best guns (imo) but didn't dominate by any means.

But any gun can take on any gun because you have to have skill to use it tho. And even tho you could beat a rail with a beamer why use the beamer? And there isnt a single shooting game that doesnt have a low and high tier of guns, itd be pointless to keep making more if theyre all the same. The game is made for this style so you can choose a gun that fits your playstyle, like compare the heartbreaker and rail gun, RG is stronger but HB can hang with it due to it being much faster yet weaker, so you have the choice with speed or power. Also, i had planned to make thing more diverse with the new shops i had planned but sadly i didnt get the chance to do so.

@cecily, idk what you mean, anything gatling gun like are the chainguns but theyre weak with high rof

Tier weapons are mostly the guns power level.
Higher the price, the better it is.
it's going to beat a gun over all because of it's stats..

Auction guns are rare.
So they are tier 3+

You changed stats of guns already fine to benefit yourself and friends,
Would be my statement if I was really to throw a clash.


2 equal players.
One with Gp assault rifle.
Another with ap rippers.


Both guns are really good but only 1 can win.

Winner is Ap rippers because of the following reasons
-Bullet Effect(small little effect behind the bullet.)
-Damage

Simple because that can throw anyone.

That's Like saying iEra Ghost M4 vs Starter Gun.
You can really lame that starter gun without even trying.
9 damage with a low freeze rate vs 4 damage and medium freeze rate.
Already the challenge doesn't look good unless you pull a baby ghost with that starter gun or a meph.


Broken Logic.

Classic's beauty is everyone starts out equally. With guns, that's obviously implausible. However, they can all be close to each other power-wise. They used to be all competitive. In fact, guns only got screwed over when one of two things happened. 1. When the AP rippers were changed to spam the **** out of anyone, and #2 which resulted because the AP rippers were pointlessly changed 2. Hiring a Guns Admin. People were complaining nonstop about the rippers being OP, and Tash took that as "We need a GA" when in fact we did not. All that needed changed was the rippers speed back to what it originally was, and instead we got a GA which caused every gun stat to change, and led to the unbalanced crap we've been dealing with for a while.

Every gun almost has the same Rate of fire >.>

John, that was all complete bs. How are you gonna accuse me of changing guns for my friends, don't be a prick and start spreading rumors. Also, you don't know crap about guns thinking that the bullet trail on the rippers actually does something, the rippers at most are designed to have a slight advantage over the gp only due to dmg, they have the same rof set, so please get your facts straight before you start spewing out bullcrap. Then trying to compare this to era is stupid due to their guns are designed to destroy lower guns while ours are made to have an advantage. You clearly know nothing about guns so please just shut up attacking everything im saying.

And @pig, yeah idk why all this happened, at first all the rippers needed was a slight nerf, in response the admins made them super spammy, then ghetto got hired and things just went on from there until it got changed so much when i got hired i had to work with what was there and try to make the best of it, sadly i didnt get to finish and idk whats gonna happen from here on, and with zp being in charge of the guns its not looking good. Theyre not that bad right now, every gun can be checked still so nothings op but it can be better.

That's not at all what I meant. I was saying back then, even the er beamer actually could compete with other guns. There was no real go-to gun. Ever since guns started being messed with, rippers became the go-to gun, and then it turned to rail & alien. The lower-priced weapons for beginners aren't even worth buying because having the metallic rifle is hardly any better than just sticking with the er beamer. You need one of the newer guns to actually compete now. That's what I mean by unbalanced.

And thank you for not misunderstanding what I said and thinking it was towards you, because it wasn't. I pretty much stopped playing in general except for standing in trades by the time you became GA so I don't know what the gun stats are now. I just know the stats were pretty much great besides rippers, then Tash hired the GA & every gun was touched when it shouldn't have been.

I'm not attacking you so please feel free to be stupid on your own time.
Also read what i am saying,"You changed stats of guns already fine to benefit yourself and friends, Would be my statement if I was really to throw a clash." Clash and Statement if I, I used that in a sentence so you can understand that if I wanted to pick a fight, I could easy accuse you of that. Also bullet trials can effect a fight depending on the location since most bullet on the server are hard to see. Ap rippers bullet trail is a bit bigger then the bullet itself so a bullet aka Image can easy sit behind the trail and it will catch you off your toes. Knock knock .-.

Also Geno, You don't become a prick.

Also this game is mostly running on a pay to win.
So easy that I can compare it to iEra without a flash.
The way guns are now, it's like only tier 1 weapons suck and everything else is almost balanced the same(meaning they all have almost the same stats).

Don't get started saying i'm attacking you because I hate you or anything.
I'm only disagreeing with your statement of what you think because i really feel as if you are wrong. It's a opinion over all and don't wet yourself over what i'm saying now. Just take me as a joke.





Just saying.

Even better, I will just message you on here.

IMO guns are already pretty equal. I just find rails,rippers, and auctions to be op overall. But other that the rest of the guns are equal.


And if we had 100 up we can have a higher variety of damage for guns so holiday guns won't always be 4 or 5 dmg.

I wanted to do the 100hp thing to help with the high end guns and make guns from all different places more diverse, it was all a process thing

There's just so much to all this and its pretty bad that i got halted half way

I wonder on how zone going to look in 5 months if it survive

Ok how about you all change the guns back to its original stats. With the new guns... Uh.. Just balance them. Idk.

Im not weapons admin anymore so i can't, and carlitos grand idea was to make zp do it -.-

Also, some guns are better off this way such as the gp

Okay, I think from this thread we can all agree that:

1. Management should be better
2. A new, trusted, weapon admin should be hired
3. Improve gun / pk/ ek gameplay

Or i could just get rehired and finish what needs to be done since i did get fired for no reason. I need stuff to do to keep busy

1. Working on it
2. The ZP's will have an easy tool to handle guns, basically everyone could do it as soon as it is implemented. And since it is a larger group who has a word on it, abuse will be less likely
3. Also working on that, yet the server is quite rusty. So my main goal right now is to get things organized and listed. The guns are looked at, don't worry

Well, next time don't give out free weapons to your friends or steal tens of thousands Zone coins from players using your "trusted" rights ;) Maybe then you would have had a chance to be hired back!

I didn't do any of that ._. Who keeps saying all this crap? Honestly its starting to piss me off

Also, the tools are pointless if they don't know how to make the finished product correctly, which no one on the entire staff team knows. Someone could give you everything you need to build a house but that wouldn't do much if you don't know how to physically build it.

Well, good thing a human is able to learn new things :)

But the knowledge needs to come from somewhere

A PRA of the iZone community is basically saying iZone is ****! How great!

PRA? PRA = ZPA which is Gold. Geno was a Guns Admin and is the only actual previous staff here that's trash talking Zone (besides me, Platinum [kind of trash talking, but focusing more on improvement :)] and GhettoIcedTea actually, but Ghetto isn't the most credible).

Trash talk? Nah, its never been that, im honest and ill state whats up, not my fault most of its negative tho. If i felt the need to just legit trash talk id quit already. It also doesnt help that i got my position removed then later fired both for no reason at all so im not being relaxed about things. Also id be willing to come back if there woulsnt be anymore bs like in the last term, and under some other conditions, cuz all i wanted to do was my job but its like trying to do that was near impossible. And plus being the best person for the job, id rather not trust anyone else to do it

It can be honest, but still trash talking. I trash talk zone all the time, but what I say about Zone is true. I understand being fired for no reason (not saying you are, but also not saying you aren't, because I don't know the facts, but you say you were) because Tashkin did that to the entire ZP team in order to fire FR, comically. I talked to shmegg about if certain things happen to Zone, whether we'd come back, and he said he would, but who knows, I might. As of right now, I deleted Playerworlds from my computer and have no intention of going back to Zone, no matter how much it improves. I was just dealing with so much **** from so many people that I don't feel the desire to go back anymore.

You're not coming back while I'm here. Trust me. I don't need abusers on my team. You were given rights by previous managers, and you abused them. And now you expect to be hired back even with conditions? :D Yea right

Like knowing when the points reached where you stop being a sIut? Yeah, no.

wait wait wait

are you izone staff?

Yea

wow this is news lol

Then don't give him the rights, and input the stats he tells you yourself. Simple(is).

You can't afford to not have a Weapons Admin. Geno is your best bet as far as I know, he has the most plans and ideas for improving gameplay and is an active PKer in the community.
As experienced players of Zone, we know what we are talking about.

Good bye zone future guns </3

We are currently working on the weapons trust me, and not just changing the attack damages but also most likely adding new features. Not making any promises yet, but I'm in contact with other people who have experience on weapon balancing. So don't worry ^^

I can sense that hate from that message >.< the features grab my attention I'm just curious on how the guns turn out, from my perspective I think it's hard to get tips on a gun balancing since zone has a unique technique of shooting just from my perspective you prob differ

Chelt is so bent on trying to attack and spite me with accusations that he's willing to put the game at risk, and also he has not once tried to get my statement on things and is just listening to whatever crap someone tells him

I hope the guns come out actually futuristic
With a balanced stat

They won't, and its more to balancing than just changing stats, thats where things are gonna bomb

Any response without broken english?

"We"? I mean no disrespect or offense when I say this, but I don't see why you should have much of an input on the weapon balancing when you have probably never participated in PKing activities on Zone.
The best thing you could do regarding it is hire a Weapons Admin. You wouldn't want your levels team to create all the graphics for Zone would you? No! It's important that the people in charge of reforming the weapons are committed, experienced, and 100% focused on what they're doing. I fear you, the manager who has to overlook all of the staff team's work, will not have that sort of dedication/time to spare for this vital process.

Also, whatever you believe of Geno (and ghetto actually); they are/were both extremely adept at their job. Despite that you mightn't get along, they are the best candidates for the position. Or PigParty.
One of those 3!

Hell no. I have enough math in college, tyvm.

:'(

where the updates at.

Where updates go to die: the black hole that is iZone Dev.

Zone can use some more interesting looking guns
The only nice and actually futuristic looking one to Me is ripper
I like to see how this plays out *sits with popcorn*

If only they could see the guns we made lol. Such a waste lol

A lot of good guns, to bad tho :( they were all special and unique in there own little way