^----All this can be in private messages. Get a room----^

It lacks context for you, because you are in the same family with Regius which was mass kicked by another Magnus member a month ago. Very friendly should I say. Just mass kicking your friends like that. When someone says "I am sorry," it means one thing, that they made a mistake, and they want to apologize to the victim. I forgive him, because at least he admitted he did it.

When did I say anyone from military should not tower or spar? Was the military itself the problem? Or was I saying that the schemes that goes on by military people is the problem? It is what you people do and can't fix, that's the problem. If you continue to do things you do (blackmailing, deceiving, etc), why should you be allowed to spar, and tower and make things unfair for other people? Unless you people can't fix those flaws, you shouldn't be allowed to engage in aspects of the game that promote you to be competitive, not trick people.

I mean what was the reason behind regius getting him kicked? Honest mistake or just being an asshole?

With regards to Magnus being kicked, the person who did it was blackmailed by Constantine into doing it. It was a 15 year old kid, and some asshole messaged him with all of his personal information saying to give him access to the account so he could abuse a glitch that allows him to kick everyone in a guild without having the permisions to do so. Obviously the kid is gonna be scared enough to let him do it. Constantije did all of this because Magnus kicked the guy who is "prince" of his "Empire".

The military community at large does not condone the blackmailing and abuse of this glitch that the admins refuse to patch, but you still have a small handful of assholes who use it, and a handful of assholes that follow each of them. Not much we can really do unless they get banned, which they very much deserve at this point.

What could be more honest about telling someone to kick a person, and telling that someone never to mention his name towards the victim that was kicked? There is no honest mistake in there.

It doesn't matter how Magnus were kicked. It only matters who kicked that family, and everyone in that guild is a Magnus unless your family is dumb enough to recruit an untrustworthy person into the family. Or unless your Magnus member was dumb enough, quite like Westbrook, to give his instagram info away to several people.

You speak as if Constantine is an almighty god in this game, but really, all you need to do is not associate with him? like me? You ever see me or Valerians get their personal info sucked in by Constantine? No, you don't. I personally doubt even if our personal info were discovered, none of us would mass kick the guild.

Military is the basis for these actions. Doesn't matter if 55%, or 70% don't do it. It encourages these actions. Did Fessler when he was leading Amestria back in 2015 do this crap? No, in fact, Fessler wasn't like how he is now back then. Staying in military community really transformed him by deleting the few brain cells he had into nothingness.

Honestly, Beatles, you don't have much room to talk about few brain cells given the stuff I have experienced.

Yeah it's easy to say that now, put yourself in the shoes of a 15 year old kid. Would you really want a community of cancerous morons to know your full name, all your social media accounts, and your address? Nowadays I wouldn't cave in, but when I was that age I almost definitely would have.

It's not like Constantine's always done this ****, he's been a part of militaries for 5 years and didn't start this blackmailing bull**** until about a year or so ago. If people had known they wouldn't have associated with them, sure, but they didn't. For four years he was just a relatively chill guy. You'd also be surprised who easily you can use one small piece of information to link to everything else about a person, I believe the person in question had his information extracted after his kik account username was shown to have been used in another forum, which linked to his personal email, from which full name/social media could be found, and from there everything else that was used. Also despite a majority of people being against him, he still does have a decent sized military comprised of people that are uncaring of his actions, so even though we don't associate ourselves with him, he still continues his shenanigans.

And regarding westbrook, I first met him mid 2014, he was no more or less cancerous than he is today, yeah when he leads his own guild he can be more serious, but in the downtime he's always been the same from the day I met him.

The only difference is you still partake on them while I have moved on.

I was 15 three years ago, and I didn't do that **** lol.

And in response to your second paragraph, I am very surprised at how a simple online gaming leads to catfishing people's identities. Hence why, the military community is cancer.

You haven't seen Westbrook from outside the military community. He hides his military past in the spar community, yet he tells many people he is part of it. And yet again, he says that he is an inherent sparrer. Fessler back then was more sure of who he was.

Well bully for you for thinking that, you weren't in that situation though so I'm not sure you can say 100%.

And you're missing the point of what I was trying to say earlier. I think this thread alone shows that the sparring community at times can be just as toxic as the military community at times, especially with how pissed off you're seeing Doublelift/Dark/Westbrook all get over stupid ****. The point I'm making is this same catfishing crap could easily happen in the spar community also. If it were more publically known, I could easily see someone taking advantage of the 'kicking glitch' to wipe everyone from a guild right before a GST or something. It isn't the military community making these people toxic, that's just how they are.

With the current state of the military community I don't blame fessler for trying to separate himself from it when he does other ****.

Did you move on or were you rejected? You and Valeria's Sehzan being pretty strongly rejected by the military community (I recall Fessler being one of the one's leading the charge against you guys so that probably explains your hate boner for him). I also remember you guys fighting pretty damn hard to be a part of the community, so don't claim you've moved on when you were just rejected and failed on your own.

You are around sophomore at high school when you are 15, and you would feel obliged to give your information? I have been faced with someone like Time, Constantine, etc before, lol. If some of you people have the brain to do something so devious and clever that majority of graalians don't do, what is making you say "I want to give my info away?" You just need to reject lmao. I don't get how that is so hard unless you want to get yourselves exposed. If you somehow have the urge to give yourself away to a stranger, you are not a smart guy.

Secondly, the reason why I am replying in this forum, probably second time, ever since I made this in 2016, is because Westbrook made a fake pm of me lol. Really has nothing to do with the sparring community. The topic is on the problem of the military community, and I brought examples of the military people who were troubling other people in other communities. These kind of things happen like 80% of the time in military community, not because of how people are, but because of how the military community promotes these kind of activities to the role-players lol (because this community dwells solely on basically talking, not by what this game offers). And sparring community isn't ill with catfishing, mass kicking, etc. Never heard of a GST that got mass kicked. Disqualified? Sure, but no mass kick. You are just guessing that it could happen lol.

No, you can't blame Fessler, he is in your family, but what he is doing is double-sided. It has nothing to do with trying to separate himself from anything. Most of what he says is bs, because he has probably told me so many times that he would quit military before he joined militaries after. Because he has been pushing this persona even before new state guild that recently fell existed. And honestly? I got to know wtf he was when he said he was Westbrook around september which is way after Sehzan existed lmao. So when you say he spearheaded anything, I don't know what you are talking about lol. Because he apparently wasn't brave enough to keep one name, or at least tell people wtf he is the moment he got a new account.

I mean I understand that you can't move on from this military community, because of course, this is what you did your whole time you were in Graal, instead of focusing in the major aspects of the game. And no, as far as military is concerned, I didn't even talk to Westbrook (didn't even know wtf he was since he changed his name) while I was in Sehzan or any other militaries lol. In fact, I was primarily opposed to the State Military (I have no idea what military guilds West was even a part of). The reason is simple, he did something wrong, and I am here to stand against it.

The military community works in a way where older people needs to keep their spots, can't have younger generations do anything to take it away from them. And for god sakes, it is a game. It is not something in which you can actively accept or reject from people trying to be a part of lol. If someone makes a military guild, they have a military guild, because it is a role-playing community. If someone believes this military role-playing is ****, and leaves, they leave, lol. You have no decision in accepting anyone. So rather than you even having the choice to reject anyone, it is more about not being able to pull your hand out of your ass, and accepting something you haven't accepted before (that you suck at playing this game). You engage in pking in empty fields instead of practical gs/spar when deciding military battles, due to the fact that you are not adept at the game, and you need something (which is basically just standing in the field) to make up for your defect.

Number one problem of RP military guilds? 8 pm bed times.

this right here is the problem

Woah, Aye, Woah, Aye, Woah, Woah, Aye, Woah, Aye, Yuh, Yuh, Aye, Woah, Aye, Woah, Aye, Aye, Yuh, Yuh, Yuh,

Imma just focus on this one bit since clearly you miss the point of everything I try to say when you read my longer responses.
What I said was IF the kicking glitch was more well known the spar community would definitely use it. The glitch was discovered late spring of last year, and despite it being fairly rampant in the military community, the steps to perform it hasn't leaked outside of it yet (probably why it still isn't patched)

You can't honestly say that if, before the next GST, I sent the instructions on how to wipe a guild to every team participating that there would not be a decent handful of people attempting to use it. Spar community has their heads up their asses just as much, if not more than military does.

Also regarding the dumbass pk battles, I agree with you on those, and that was the original point of this thread it seems before you guys derailed it with petty bull****. Oftentimes one side is willing to do a guild spar to settle it after the "battles" last half an hour or so, but the other side will refuse if they know they are outmatched.

Closing thread due to it getting highly derailed.

I remind you all once again the forums ARE a place for discussion and thoughts/opinions, but NOT a place to start huge arguments and harass others. If you have an issue with others either take it to the private messages or off the forum site completely.