Ive been cyberbullied, bullied, etc and I've always cut myself. Heck even my teachers are sometimes frisking bias and it makes me cut. But i stopped because i don't wanna die, i just want to hurt myself a lil. But thats the past, I'm still seeing this dark and evil but I'm not depressed anymore. Im not depressed because idgaf what anyone says about me, thats their problem not mine. I choose what I want to make out of myself.

Ah, I see what you mean now. Guess it all comes down to a matter of how much you care about others.

I hope people start realizing that bullying is not the only reason you can have to want to end your life. Some people just have to deal with a lot of ****, and it can be too much for them to handle. Holding your head up isn't as easy as it sounds.

Well that but, it more about, not being in the proper state of mind mentally to think rationally due to an illness. The point i think your missing is that its a mental illness, treatment and family support is what is needed.

What Zigzag brings up is important too, when someone in your family is mentally ill, everything you say that is rational and motivational will not immediately take effect because in they cannot think rationally. But if you keep reaching out, keep grinding, get them therapy, eventually, they'll realize.

I had experienced this for 5 years with a sibling of mine. A month ago it finally started coming together. Medication/Treatment and Family support i cant stress that enough. Seeing Pimpsy's story its in there too, support is so important.

Just read some more of your posts Pimpsy, its so strange how similar our situations were. im just hoping it doesnt snap again.

Thinking and attempting are two different things entirely. That is probably the worst statement I have seen on these forums tbh.

What would you say about Hitler and suicide? I'm serious with this one.

... n o th ing????

Was gonna die either way, guess it was unfortunate he couldn't be captured. At this point in time it truly doesn't matter much.

haha i remember reading that somewhere

Suicidal thoughts are weird, it just kind of sends you into a downwards spiral. You don't really take your 'loved ones' into account (a lot of time they can be the ones causing it) just feel like you don't matter to anyone and that no one will really care if you're gone. So you think it's best to end the pain there and then. It's not worth killing yourself though, at that age especially, you haven't really experienced life as a whole and you can't make that sort of judgement on life if you've merely seen the tip of the iceberg.
The only time i'll ever support suicide is for terminally ill people who would rather end their suffering. Even then, there's actual centres for that kind of suicide.
Source: I am/was the 10%

So true.
I don't know but wouldn't bad suffers of a terminal illness have the option to end their suffering?
I know (sadly) Ace Ciprioni has a terminal illness.

Euthanasia is very expensive and only offered in a few countries.

I think there is a whole debate on whether or not a doctor can end a patient's life.

What I understood about your posts was that people that attempted suicide were selfish and didn’t care about how it affected the people around them. Then you said that people that were suicidal had mental problems and didn’t think rationally. So when people are not thinking rationally how can they be acting selfishly.
Do you think it would have gotten to this point if your brothers family had noticed that he was sick and did something to intervene. Imo the blame can also be given to the family that failed to realize something was wrong with the person attempting suicide.

Im not going to speak for Pimpsy but you have to realize that mental illness is not something that is easily detectable when you have no experience in that field. Even today it is very difficult to properly diagnose. As a family member when you see someone depressed or acting irrationally, the immediate reaction isn't, "oh she/he probably mentally ill". You try to reason with them rationally but they don't get it. This is where i think i see where Pimpsy is coming from on the selfish point.

Initially, they seem very selfish because they don't realize that their behavior is really negatively effecting the family as a whole. But when the mentality changes from them being selfish to them being mentally ill, thats when you as a family start to realize. They are acting selfish, but its because they are sick.

Goat because you have never experienced this before, i understand where you're coming from and why you can't understand what Pimpsy is saying. Just remember, you cant blame the family because honestly, they have no experience dealing with mental illness. It took 5 years for my family, and let me tell you, those 5 years were the most painful five years.

Also, everyone will experience depression at some point in their lives. But there are many levels and figuring out which level it is accurately is not an easy task.

thanks for standing up to suicidle people to that girl who replied to my message in a pretty stupid assumption.

I think that Switzerland is one of the few countries in Europe that allows it.

But the point is that it is very rare for it to be allowed.