How do you know that we are real?

You're all figments of my imagination.

How do you know if imagination is real? waitwut?

Imagine me some supermodels.

That link is only attempting to disprove evolution. There is no scientific evidence that supports religion. If you do find it please show me.

And yet Christianity deems their god as the "God of love" even though if you choose not to believe him (for obvious reasons) you will be sent to eternal hell. Makes sense.

Well, without evolution, what are you left with? :P

Just look it up on your own, there's sites that claim to have "evidence" all over the internet. If you only research one topic, you're only going to read about one topic. There's plenty of convincing arguments for religion and evolution.

Here's a link trying to prove "the great flood": http://www.squidoo.com/noahsarkfound

I'm a little skeptical of it, but it doesn't mean there is no evidence to support religion. Again, just google stuff if you really care. I remember watching an interesting show that was trying to prove that the great flood happened. They were showing the rock layers we have on earth and saying that they could have easily formed by a mass amount of flooding. Thus explaining the fossils everywhere and different rock formations.

Again, I'm not saying it's true, I'm just saying it's out there. I would also encourage you to research evolution. Until you fully understand it, it's no different than blindly following a religion.

I like how your whole point of argument is that I havent researched anything, which I have. I'm sure if I scour the internet I'll find some crackpot that will say anything. Yes there was a giant flood, it was called all the ice melting after the Ice Age. I'm guessing Noah and his family built a huge boat and managed to get every animal in existence on it while the Earth was frozen over? So what if there was a giant flood? That means a talking snake must be real too? Floods are a natural occurrence.
I choose to lean more towards evolution because there is evidence and the fact that there is no scientific evidence that supports religion, I dont understand why thats hard for you to understand.

lol "Noah and his family".

Fact: Jesus was living on this Earth in the same time it was depicted in his stories.
Belief: He is the true lord and savior.

I personally believe that there is a God (I am Christian). I respect other's beliefs and will not bash on them, but will defend my own if it comes to that. There is no real way to prove that there is a God nor is there a way to prove there isn't. I personally believe he is real since, by science, the chance of a perfect screw or nail forming in space by floating space rocks and landing on a deserted island in perfect condition is like 1/13 trillion or so. There's a bigger chance of someone creating the nail for a space craft, launching it into space and for whatever reason it may be causes the nail to land on the island. Again, there is no real way to prove which is right since there is the slightest possibility. Meaning it could happen by itself.

I also personally don't believe in the big bang theory either. I never fully grasped the concept of how a giant explosion could create something. If you dropped a bomb on a printing press, does it make a book? Yet again, there is no way to prove either. I lean on how there is a God, because of the small probability of things forming themselves. Of all the things you see right now (save for natural objects). Paper, computers, etc. Someone created them, right?

That's my personal belief on how things were created, as for what happens when you die: be patient, you'll find out one day.

As for this thread, it's a time bomb waiting to go off. Someone should close it.

That's basically where evolution and the big bang theory come from, you just explained it yourself. Religion states God simply created the universe in 7 days and it was just that easy.
Why should this thread be closed? If someone can't handle it and goes crazy, I'm not going to argue with them. Their post should be removed not the entire thread.

It's nice to hear other people's opinions and believes. But on a subject like this, flame wars are bound to happen. Looking back to any YouTube comment that mentions God, **** goes crazy soon after. Even if the video doesn't relate.

Youtube is a terrible place to try to have a simple conversation. Trolls and flamers run rampant in the comments section of every video.

True, very true.

So because you haven't looked into something enough to understand the evidence behind it you can't take it as truth. If your going to try to disprove something at least have some basic knowledge of it. It's nothing like dropping a bomb on a printing press just to give you a start.

That's the thing though. There's devoted scientists for creationism and religion. To disregard their arguments and brush them off as "crackpots who will say anything" is biased towards what you want to believe. I literally found that website in 3 seconds and barely looked at any of it's content. There's plenty of websites for both evolution and creationism that seem really convincing.

I also never once said "Noah's flood" happened, it was an example for the fact that people can argue scientifically about religious stories.

Also, why does the "great flood of the world" have to have been caused by another thing that lacks substancial evidence?

This topic is interesting for a reason. I've researched evolution as well as other religions, and they all claim to know the big answer. It's also not "hard for me to understand". I haven't once shared my opinion in depth, therefore you can't really say I'm not understanding something. I'm just trying to make this thread more interesting, bias has always bothered me. I'm not religious, but I'm trying to open your eyes to the fact that there are debates about this for a reason. There are claimed "evidences" for religion.

That is completely not what I meant. I have looked into it, I just don't believe it happened using my own logic. Explosions destroy, not create is the point I'm trying to get across which is why I personally don't believe it. Yet, since there's always the possibility it could've happened there is no way to prove either wrong or right.

It doesn't matter how many lectures you sit at, how many books you read or movies you watch about all sorts of religions or science related things. You could extend your knowledge on every belief and theory to the peak. None of that matters, except for what you think matters. They all hold their own truths, which is why you have to decide which is the truest.






Except for the occult, harming goats for the devil or worshipping anything that has been branded "Evil" is probably not the best way to go.

Religious scientists believe the universe is only 6 thousand years old, I cannot take that seriously. I am telling you there is no scientific evidence that supports religion, or rather the fact that God is real.


I don't see how worshiping the devil is any different than worshiping God.

Who's to say it isn't? What I don't understand is your reason for making this thread. You seem rather closed minded.

I'm not saying the world is 6000 years old, but you honestly just seem to think things are right simply because the public school system teaches it. The only thing different about a "religious scientist" and a "scientist" is their dedications and what they study. I'm trying to point out to you that there are "evidences" to back up some religious theologies. Are they necessarily right? no, but that's what this thread is for. To discuss things like this. You can't say a form of science if flawed simply because of what it's trying to prove.

On another note, there is absolutely no evidence of a God or higher power, but there also isn't any evidence that the big bang happened. Existence itself takes faith. The theory of evolution begins with matter and energy already existing. Where did existence itself come from? I think the reason so many religions exist today is because people are trying to come up with answers.

Keep in mind that I'm merely stating these things because that's what this thread is about. I literally don't claim to know where we came from, and I don't follow any organised religion. Your closed mindedness is kind of bothering me though.

IVE FIGURED IT OUT, as to how ti prove god DOESNT EXIST, if god was an omnipotent/present force, which he supposedly is isnt he? That means there can be no opposition. God supposedly is according to the new testement, very benevolent. So that would mean that the devil couldnt or wouldnt exist and if he does it means god cannot exist? And if he did it would mean a contradiction of omnipotency.
So it either means
A.) god doesnt exist period
B.) he isnt as powerful as he supposedly is
C.) he doesnt care about humanity which is basically the same as not caring.

Them Google skills.

You simply do not get where I'm coming from. Religious scientists do not have any evidence the world is only 6 thousand years old. There is monumental evidence that, of course can only be denied by saying what you're saying, the the earth is at least 4 billion years old.
I am very open to any belief but why should I believe in something I know may not be true? The same could be said about evolution, so why believe in anything at all?I lean towards the one that stands by logic and evidence.

What if God created the big bang, evolution and Atlantis? Mind blown. *straightens Lab coat then puts on cross necklace*

The existence or inexistence will never be proven until you die to find out.

Because the bible explains creation much differently.

I know, I just threw in a "What if?" just to raise inquiries.

We have such "freedoms" in Europe too. The reason why Euros like to bring up America (esp in religious threads) is because you guys have a very large % of people who believe in fairytails & angels. It's all over your politics too.

What if Pluffy created the big bang, evolution and Atlantis? Mind blown. *straightens body13.png then puts on pluffy hat*

lol @ "personally don't believe". Are you going to say you don't believe in gravity or electricity next because you don't get it? Also laughed and died a bit inside (at the same ) when you compared the big bang with a bomb. LOL.

I'm just glad God decided to invent the thing that invented Subway to invent the BMT that I'm going to enjoy in about an hour.

all praise subway's steak & cheese

and the subway melt, omnom

*facepalm* I understand it, I've researched it. My point is I don't believe it's true as MY personal belief, respect that. Gravity and electricity are true because those were proven, the big bang is just a theory. It hasn't been proved or inproved. Same as God, neither proved or inproved. There are evidences that back both up, but to to and say as "it's true" to either, is too far.

And how is the big bang being compared to a bomb a bad example? They both explode. That's like saying comparing a pot and pan is a bad example when the subject is cooking.

It's not a matter of belief. There is plenty of evidence that supports the big bang theory and very little reason to not accept it other than ignorance on the subject. The big bang is not "just" a theory, it's the leading theory attempting to explain the state of the Universe in its very early days.

There is no evidence supporting your god, and the difference between the two (big bang and the existence of a god) is that you can eventually prove/disprove the big bang theory while the existence of a supernatural being will never be proven or disproven.

A logical person would simply respond with "and that's exactly how I know you're clueless" but I'll respond with: calling it a "big bang" and describing "explosions" are simply for convenience. The big bang wasn't an explosion in the same sense as a bomb, people only say that to make it easier to explain. The specific and most important point of the big bang theory is that the Universe started at a singularity and then rapidly expanded. Scientific evidence all supports this, as opposed to contradicting findings.

It's not like a bomb where the Universe was torn up and exploded all over the place, not at all, lol.

And to everyone saying "Well what created the singularity? What happened before it?:

~Stefan hawking


Well if you say you have researched these theories then you should have.... well... actually researched them in depth besides stating some false assumptions. "Pale blue dot" by carl sagan is a good read, try that out.

There are evidences backing up the belief of God, perhaps you've just never looked into them. There are also evidences backing up the belief of the big bang theory, I'll call it theory because it's never been proven or inproven completely. Supposedly, the universe began with fission. The temperature was too high even for fusion to occur which is why there is an abundance of hydrogen left over and scattered thought the universe. During this rise in temperature, more particles began to form and spread out. Let's pause for a moment here, what else has a high release in temperature and spreads? An explosion. A powerful nuclear fission explosion which was apparently too hot for fusion. I understand how this would make sense if it all started with one atom. As you would need more than one for fusion to occur. But when you think probability wise, this is very unlikely to occur naturally. Still possible, but unlikely.

That's downsizing other people's beliefs, I'm not going to do that like you did here: . This is a mature thread where you can share your opinion without criticizing other people's opinions and beliefs for open minded people. If you don't like it, then leave it.

why don't you just blow him already.

I WORSHIP THE PLUFFY GOD

tell me he isn't real tell me i dare u

I worship the Pluffy Devil. Get @ me bro.

You do realize that was 4 pages pages ago and most of the people here now wont backtrack to see it and it pretty much sums up my argument while also being relevant to what that person was saying? Please, don't be rude like htat before you speak. Jeez

I think I'm going to leave this thread alone now considering the thread title has been altered and I don't want to have any responsibility for this thread anymore.

I will say that Atheism has come a long way over time, and tremendously more so than religion based on outdated old books written and revised by random people.

How exactly has atheism come a long way? Let's not give up yet, I still want to have some fun!

The idea of Athiesm doesn't change, it's just how people choose to represent it.

I think he meant science in general, I don't know why he said athiesm. That doesn't make any sense

The science in general which would support an Atheist for not believing there is a god is what I meant so yeah.
:)
Others are still welcome to continue of course!

There is 0 evidence supporting the existence of any supernatural being. You're confusing belief with theory, clearly showing you're out of your depth. Your over-simplification of the early stages of the Universe is still nothing like a bomb. A bomb will literally fall to pieces and scatter in existing space. The Universe was not expanding in space, it was and still is expanding space itself. Think of it like a balloon that hasn't popped. You should also choose your words carefuly, the Universe did not begin with a fissure. The only certainty on the beginnings of the Universe (note beginnings vs orgins) is that it had to have started from a singularity.

Clearing up your confusion of what the big bang is and how it isn't like a bomb is not downsizing anything, and has nothing to do with belief. The second bit isn't even a criticism nor is it mocking your beliefs, it's a fact.

You really need to learn the difference between theory, belief, science, unscientific, and non-scientific, and the concepts of logical statements and burden of proof. From a logical viewpont I'm crushing you in every angle.

No such thing. ;D

Now you're just contradicting yourself. I'm going to assume you never even bothered to look into things such as miracles or things that just cannot be explained. Much like how the believed heads of some saints do not decompose or rot, even after centuries past. They have stuff like this on display (their heads are pale since all the blood dried up over time). For like the 20th time or so I'll say it again, there's a reason the Big Bang Theory is a theory. It's never been proven or disproven. There's evidence supporting the theory. But it does not prove it. As there is the same for a diety, which would be completely ignorant to say there isn't without looking into it.

I solved the actual purpose of this thread therfore my post is ignored?

^No you didn't.

Actually hes not contradicting himself! The universe is NOT expanding IN space because space itself is expanding. Thats what space time is. Its like space is a large balloon being inflated and we the universe (Galaxies, superclusters etc.) are dots on it. Using that logic, there is no center point of the big bang. The universe is expanding in all directions because space is expanding.

Now when you say it, it sounds much clearer. But according to nuclear scientists, it began with fission (the splitting of an atom) which caused a chain reaction for more and more of itself to split even more and more that all caused a high amount in temperature too hot for fusion, thus explaining why hydrogen is left over. Since it was such a tremendous explosion (yes, I will use that word. I don't care because that's what fission does along with fusion) it continues to spread, much like your ballon logic.

What? I don't know where you are getting your information from (As no sane nuclear scientist would say that because it doesn't explain anything about the origin of space and time or contribute anything to the origin of the universe itself) but its not the big bang theory by any sense. There was no matter in the big bang as it was a singularity, an infinitely small and infinitely massive point of pure energy and heat... You really don't know what you're talking about. There is no way fission has anything to do with playing a role in the expansion of space and time and the creation of the universe regardless of what alternate theory you are trying to promote. If that idea actually had relevance to the origin of the universe it would be an accepted theory, but its not. I think you are severely misinformed considering you are saying its similar to my "balloon 'logic'" as they have literally nothing to do with each other. Its simply impossible and completely off topic.

Well, then complain to teaching society I guess.