Two wrongs don't make a right. I.E. lag blocking because someone lag blocked doesn't change the fact that it is lag blocking.

It probably wouldn't hurt a lot of you to read the title of the thread. It clearly doesn't mention lag blocking.

I'm pissing myself in laughter now xP

We ain't lag block boy. They just had like 30 members spam report us cause we were simply blocking the door. I would die in like 5 seconds cause my blink sucks.

I understand that. I wasn't trying to say that making it "eye for an eye" was ok, just trying to say that we're being antagonized when they're just as guilty as we are, but yet it seems they simply refuse to acknowledge that.

Post above me shows just that.

What? None of our members were lag blocking whatsoever, and the ones who were banned because of it, most definitely do not. I'm fully confident in revealing your guild's reckless hacking and behavior since I have proof, and the fact you've admitted to it. Whats the point in arguing with you anyways? You already lost, you admitted to lag blocking to gain an unfair advantage.

In fact, if you provide solid evidence that one of our members were hacking, you can omit this post.

With all due respect, at least I've admitted, as opposed to being ignorant and acting as if I have not done any wrong. I know when I make a booboo, and I am not afraid to admit it. In my books, I haven't lost, but neither have you. I don't think there can be a winner or loser in this debate until the issue is resolved.

And since you've asked so kindly, I give you this. Unsure if this would count as 'hacking' as you have asked, but here is my proof which contradicts your statements which you hold onto so dearly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvym...e_gdata_player

Again, my only wish is that you would please acknowledge the fact that your guild lag blocks as well. I have the utmost respect for your guild as of now due to the valiant effort you displayed yesterday, but that respect would increase tenfold if you would demonstrate some humility. :)

To be honest, the only true example of lag blocking I see lies within the last example, but that is still a small case compared to the severity of the members on your guild. Male (Which i'm going to go rage at) seemed like it was actually legitimate lag, good example would be the one where he randomly pulls out map.

Fair enough though, I'm quite pleased to finally actually meet someone with some intelligence on this forum.

Thallen
 

Any leader who tells his guild to lag block even if they get banned has to be the most respected. Allowing Male and Nadine to lag block to take tower from Rebellious is the best tower taking strategy ever shown. and him recruiting people from rebellious like smiley for example is a great leader also. Nadine lag blocked but male also did he overdid it so did the other people which is why they got what they deserved and were banned. don't know why everyone worships thallen if he's just a useless sparrer who couldn't get 10k-1k not even by boosting. If you can't beat them lag block them- Male and Thallen

Why is Goten sending all his useless henchmen (With the exception of Lightning) to post on this thread?

There were more examples, but unfortunately we were unable to document them. I am however very grateful that you did acknowledge the issue, and looked at the evidence I had to present. I know that our guild does it pretty bad as well (as I have many a time witnessed "derp guys let's block" in gc), but sometimes there's just no going through the thick skulls of stubborn people...

On behalf of our entire guild though, I would like to apologize for the actions of some of our members. While I do not necessarily condone what they've done, I can understand why they would do the things they did. They feel that the only way to combat injustice is to retaliate with their own. Or in a nutshell, fight fire with fire. We'll make sure we do what we can to stop the lag blocking, and hopefully you will as well.

And I'm flattered by your comment. Thank you. :) I commend you too for sticking firmly to your beliefs.. Many others I've debated with were easily swayed, which led to rather lackluster conversations. Kudos to you! I wish nothing but the best for you and your guild. And, I think it's safe to say we're both winners. :D

Now moving on to the actual topic of the thread, best leaders I'll have to say are Goten and Kuya Gabe (PiNoY).

Goten- Not only because he's a good friend, but he has this something about him which drives our members. For example, while we're attacking a tower without him and it takes us a while, people start to lose motivation and give up. But when he gets on and motivates us, everyone is suddenly rejuvenated and we end up taking the tower. Not to mention he's chill; he lets a few of us at a time run errands if there's enough at a fort, and he actively participates and contributes to the chatter in our guild chat.

Gabe- He's the same as well. Really nice guy, and was never too strict on us. If he ever revived PiNoY, I'd be more than glad to help.

That video proves nothing. If you get hit and don't move, that is your blink. Once you swing or move, your blink runs out and you immediately take damage. None of those examples are "lag blocking". Even in the last example, Male probably was hit into the door and the arrows that come from the side don't hurt him because... *drum roll* ...they don't touch him! :blush:

My goodness, you reek of denial. Is it too much to ask of you to swallow your pride, even for a brief moment?

Quick question, slightly off topic. Why is it that everyone seems to have a camera on when they're playing Graal and are able to pull out evidence at any given time?...This isn't Graal, this is like Big Brother >.< always being watched.

Can we just legitimize this as, Germans lag.

Lol hats off to them hehe...get it, cuz 1k hats...nevermind

lol it's not like this thread is on-topic or anything

My guess is just that everyone's out to get each other. :P

this thread isnt even about guild leaders anymoar!!!!!!!!! asdfghjkl;

@Rezon you weren't on when you guys took, you missed the invincibility blocks in front of the door. Thallen was also offline, so niether of you can say you didn't. Basically like Gabe said, shut the f*** up crying about lag blocking when you did it first. Another note, I don't know who Taco is, I didn't ask LiA, Lightning, or Gabe to post they just did. Stop acting like defending sardon is that challenging, especially when half your guild is lag blocking. Stop acting like i'm the cry baby when silly Rezon is the one who brought this to the forums.

CONSPIRACY!!! *knocks coffee and papers off of desk in panic* THEY'RE WATCHING ME!!! *bolts down door then shoves bookshelf in front of it then ducks behind desk then points shotgun towards computer*

After we lost yeah, how do you think you guys took it? I'll tell you, nonstop lag blocking. So yes we blocked in retaliation.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING, JOHNSON?!

YOU JUST SPILLED COFFEE ALL OVER MY CARPET! MY. BRAND. NEW. CARPET. I. JUST. HAD. CLEANED. THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS

You're both wrong. As I believe Blueh said first off two wrongs done make a right as well as me stating earlier it's hypocritical you'd speak so highly against it yet mirror their actions. As for Special Forces, I immediately loose respect for guilds who change their names to belittle or as it is clearly "the word of the day" "retaliate". We didnt take Sardon from you when you offered so Rebellious couldnt get for this fact. Even if Rebel gives us crap, we arent supporting the dramatic nonsense. And youre right Goten, I don't know what went on exactly, I based the story off of my own experiences with your guild attacking us.

Now back to topic!!! Chibi 4 president!!!

I don't see the problem with lag blocking a bit back if a guild abuses it so bad. Btw Aimee your guild has changed names before lol. And no I never officially offered lol I told Kin ask them but I NEVER said i'm giving so your decision was for nothing because before I left for work I said were keeping. Aimee you're all just a bit butthurt from us pking, honestly lol stop coming at me reckless.

Hm. For me it says the word of the day is 'sundry'. Which means various or diverse.

You're such an idiot lol. The bans our a wake up call, you obviously don't know what lag/chat blocking is. Welcome to towering, noob.

You're lucky I didn't get your attack which STARTED the lag blocking. You weren't there so stop denying it lol. It was lag block sard door everytime you get up lol every member did it at least 5 times. Nadine's was the worst and Tae. I honestly wish I recorded, but I didn't think us lag blocking back would make u guys cry so bad when yall did it first seriously lol.

Dear god shut the f*ck up and move on.
B*tching about it wont do anything.

/closethread

Easily listen to Santa. Easily we took Sardons. Easily won.

The only arrogant one is you, obviously.

As for the rest of you: MY GAWD WHY CANT THE HALF DECENT THREADS STAY HALF DECENT WITH OUT FLAME WARS STARTING?! Rezon, next time you want to flame at nothing, please create a new thread instead of poisoning old ones.

best thing ive read all day^

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Most peaceful nation-----^

the not so peaceful nation LELEL :D----->http://www.stickerart.com.au/images/.../1205-0103.gif

I actually didn't demean you at all? And no, if my guild had changed names I wasn't present, I don't allow it as neither do other leads do, we kick for it. As for you offering Sardon I wasn't talking about your guild Jerry I was talking about Special Forces offering it to us so you couldn't take but I declined taking it
Because of how they were acting towards your guild. Read better next time as I stood up for rebel.

I really wish you'd read what I typed before drinking your hate-a-rade Goten since I clearly was talking about Special Forces in most of my post.

itt:
>people having a contest over who is most bossy on an online game
>pazx making me laugh
>noobs feeding pazx
>people forgot this is a game

now I remember what I like about classic
humor

You were easily scared. Thought you couldn't hang girl, not that the way we 'treated' those other newbies. Easily.

I said what I meant and I meant what I said
I said "rip in peace"
'Cause Kenny is dead.

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This is the nicest post you've ever mentioned me in, and I respect that. Thank.

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Ok Stop with the arguing, in the end you will all still do it no matter what. But know this, we dont to lag block at all, we like challenges to see how long we can hold the tower. Shet, i dont even like sardon tower, my favorite tower is castle, and you all know how hard it is to hold castle because even a few afk members can be high danger of losing the tower. But yeah, there is no lag blocking in castle= best fort for me. Goten is a good leader, i should know. Dont make him mad by doing unfair ways to take towers. Id get pissed too, because back when I ran pinoy earlier years, there was something worse than lag/chat blocking, its called admin guilds. They would literally drag me and my members out of the flagroom and drag theirs on the room and take the tower. and the fact admin guilds can mass recruit because they are all so popular, and even their members would lag/chat block because they like to talk too much rather than actually defending too much while blocking the door but cant do anything about it bcuz everyone even admins favors them so i like to just pk them nonstopfor being so wack.. but that was back then idk about now. And Pazx, you dont know who I am so obviously you'd laugh if my own members would consider me a good guild leader (which i try my best to be a good one) because you were never under me. I knew kenny back then too but not more than u know him, we liked the same head and he is a good leader, so of course you'd favor him. We all have our differences, just have to deal with it. Dont make more arguements, unnecessary comments, troll and whatnot. Oh and if i mispelled/mistyped something, idc lol try to read this the best of your ability to rEaD

Everyone rage at Rezon for derailing thread! Oh wait, I was actually on topic. Easily.

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What?? Lol? I don't know which guild you're in but we had like 10-15 on consistent that whole time and would have easily been able to hold but declined.

@Aimee I don't know, you started rambling about both guilds it was confusing to tell which one you meant at each point. Sorry, I guess though.

Lol delete part of my quote to get it to say what you want? Two can play at that game buddy! Thanks for the compliment :)! On a serious note, you're just giving acknowledgement to the leader of the guild you were in and trash talking leaders you don't even know lol.

No you weren't, read the original post.

For those confused, I'll explain what happened not favoring anyone:

-Nadine and several others lag block and it eventually worked and Special Forces got sardon.

-Rebellious lag blocks back with a few people to retaliate.

-Rezon takes this to graalians.com and says her opinion of my leadership and posts pictures of some stuff on a really old thread of mine.

-A video of Male lag blocking is shown.

This is it. There's no reason for Special Forces to cry about lag blocking when they did it first as there is no reason for Rebellious to cry about it since we did it back. Seeing how much drama was caused by Rebellious lag blocking back, I'll do my best to put an end to it even if it is done to us first alright? Lastly, assuming you were talking about Gabe, LiA, and Taco as my useless henchmen you're wrong. Gabe and LiA are two friends of mine who I've been in the same guilds as them for a long time, I didn't ask niether to come back me up on this thread, I was actually extremely surprised seeing Gabe lol. And I am still unaware who Taco is lol. This should conclude this thread, no more reason to drag on this argument! Just message me on Graal if you have a problem with me or my guild.

Now post your favorite tower guild leaders and tell us why, don't make fun of other leaders.

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Funny af. Yeah SF held sards on saturday and thanks to Goten and rebellious they got me too #1 in pks! Shout Out to goten

2 wrongs don't make a right dude..im going to side with SF here. Also, There could've been a chance that SF's lag was unintentional at first and only deliberately lagged when you started doing the same... whereas you deliberately lagged to get tower back because you got upset for loosing it.

I still don't think that its fair to ban or reset people for lagging though...if that's the case, then why don't GPs camp on each SoN tower and ban all their members

don't get cocky you still have the ****tiest stats on the whole guild

... Wasn't that my purpose?

Why do you keep feeding pazx? I mean, by all means keep going, it's amusing as hell to me, but just know you look foolish doing it.

Maybe he wants to feed him until he dies

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/up...kelso-burn.jpg

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!!

What does his stats have to do with anything when he's just messing? Why do you feel the need to come in and be a jerk for no reason whatsoever? Your random speaking just to say something nasty only makes you look bad; no one cares about his stats he was making a joke.