Lmao, you're acting as if each individual did those things just for the sake of being on the boards. The game wasn't built around that, I'm sure they can add it in again in the near future.

Score board is the motivation behind achieving on a game, to move forward to the top to be remembered and known, so yes it is the main reason we pk and tower.

Not really, a handful of players enjoy the activities and keep repeating them.

Some of them did do those things for their spot on the leaderboard, just look at CoM. Maeby was told that there was no reward for 20k tower hours, but she still went the distance. As for the game not being built around that, the all-time leaderboards were added for a reason, to motivate people. I understand that new players might not be motivated by 800,000 something pks or 20k tower hours, but they were motivating to the people striving to get those numbers. People who have worked their way up the leaderboards understand this. I'm sure they'll add the all-time board information back into the game though, even if it's not as leaderboards.

Australian sparring in a nutshell...

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Well you got dark who does more talking than sparring.

Just add All-Time whatever in Mod Library in the future. There they have the first guilds to hit 1K, 5K, 10K, etc.

If they wanted to keep All-time they would have brought it over with the new scoreboards.

Yeah, I feel kind of bad for that anyu person, and whoever the top 5 people were.

It is true what rufus said though, it doesn't promote activity for really new players... "wow I'll never get 100,000 kills, let alone 800k."

I sort of like this board, but I would really prefer the old spar points system, especially when someone has let's say 50,000 points... almost at the end of the season.... I wouldn't waste time sparring knowing that someone is that far ahead.

Old spar system, with a way you have to spar x amount of people to keep your score daily. Otherwise if you don't, then you drop points.

The people you have to spar have to be anyone above you, or within (example) 15 spots below you.

All though if the top 3 for season receive a reward for their insane activity, then I guess it's fair?

I feel like you're looking at me...

Pretty sure people are tired of hearing about the removal of the all-time leaderboard and how angry the pkers are. I was mad at first too, I used it as motivation and to find people. I loved the feeling of passing people and climbing the leaderboard. They've already said that they're not adding it back so just shut up about it. Other than that one thing, this was an amazing update (imo). The prizes give me new motivation to pk right now mainly because I have no idea what they'll be and that really excites me. I'm also excited for the potential future leaderboards and stuff that may come up (tek's idea). Thanks to all the individuals who helped with this, because idk if it was just fp4 and rufus.

Is it just worldwide seasonal score or will top 3 for each country get a reward.

Pribably worldwide, don't need a player from Siberia getting a reward for 3k kills or 1k spar points and a player from the US getting nothing with 30k kills or 15k spar points.

Haha *VPNs to country with <100 graal players*

I'd like to see one of the GS rooms changed into a GS streak room. =o

WALL OF TEXT ALERT

One thing you guys need to consider when you're making suggestions from here on is that a restructured guild system and a player/guild achievement system is planned and eventually coming. That being said, suggesting temporary fixes or things that fall in between is kind of useless. Suggesting things that will compliment these changes is what you should be doing.
For example, my thread about spar/PK/BK rewards should be left alone now. Staff have announced rewards for seasonal leaderboards, and I'm sure there will be rewards for higher-tier achievements.

Here are some examples of suggestions I have that are vaguely related to the leaderboard change.

1. Create some building to commemorate history and statistics for the game
You guys keep suggesting that they bring back the all-time leaderboards, but Rufus doesn't seem to want to and he's made that clear. I'm all for preserving records and scores though. I do think that there should be an accessible building that has lists of the top 10-50 sparrers (wins), PKers, and BKers. I also think a place like this would be nice to maybe have lists or statues of all first place seasonal winners.

Rufus has mentioned this will very likely happen, but I'll just throw it out there because I definitely support that.

2. Completely put an end to device bias by holding a single GST
I quoted it as a troll before, but I actually would like this. Keyboardaphobia should be (and mostly is) dead by now. I'm honestly more afraid of facing a few iDevice teams. There are no longer split leaderboards by default. There are no longer PC and iDevice spar rooms.

Teams will no longer be forced to be of one device type. Mixed teams rarely incorporate iDevice players right now because they have their own tourney and they want to participate in that. However, just as a personal example, I can think of at least 2 iDevices that I'd immediately consider for my own Mixed team if they were available.

It's awkward to have two GSTs being held at the same time and seeding between two different tournaments based on a single leaderboard. I just don't see why it's necessary. Maybe if this happens, it lessens the load on staff enough to actually consider a singles tournament in the future.

With the new guild system eventually coming, guilds will function more naturally and, as a spar guild leader, I hate the idea that 14 (at minimum) of my guild roster spots are taken up by GST participants. In the new guild system, all guilds should be able to be competitive at guild sparring, towering, PKing, etc. Having an extra GST just seems completely unnecessary to me, especially when many iDevices have proven that they can compete.

3. Consider alternative ways to seed teams for the GST
I really think it should trickle down like this in some way:

1. GSTs won
2. GST rounds won
3. Guild spar points

If your tag has a GST win, you're seeded higher than teams with none
If two tags have the same number of GST wins, the team with the more GST rounds won is seeded higher
If two tags have the same number of GST wins and GST rounds won, the team with the most guild spar points is seeded higher

With how the GST is automated, I can see from a scripting standpoint how this could be easily achieved. This also encourages more natural guild function, as you'll have incentive to participate on the same tag (like a guild should do). This would allow us to have an activity-centric GS leaderboard, while guilds who deserve to be in the GST by their previous achievements are naturally seeded higher. You'd no longer have to boringly sit around sparring 200 noob teams every GST to qualify when you clearly deserve it.

A+ for implementing this tastefully. A big step in the right direction as far as competitive gameplay is concerned, while still having the casual player not feel discouraged.

B-but a gs streak room.. =(

Exactly

I think this is a great change. This will probably help smaller guilds get motivated to tower. And now people who like to spar will have the chance of being awarded for their efforts.

Please add back the link to leaderboards in profile, it was way more convenient when PKing or Sparring

You can't scrap idev gst ... PC has a clear advantage as a device atm and probably will alway have so it would be very unfair to just take out the idev tournament, specially with the state of the server pretty sure idevs are affected a lot more than PC players as far as i am aware?

Take Primetime as an example how much your statement isn't really an excuse that holds up anymore, guys iDevice and has done mixed over and over again a fair bit. As far as I know he's pretty much the only "top tier" iDevice user to currently have done mixed gsts as often as he does.

You can't use one player as an example to disprove the whole point ...
Yes prime time does participate in the mixed tournament most of the time as an idev but he really is in the minority. Plus he is a USA player , they do not experience as much lagg / freze as other coutney idevs do as dar as i am aware.
If this would be to happen at all tho I wouldn't really care as long as they fix the stupid servers

Also @thallen (to lazy to quote)
I pretty much think the same as you when it comes to seeding, this should of been done years ago to avoid having to spar 20000 noobs to qualify.
I believe seeding should work like this:
The 6 guilds who placed the previous GST are immediately seeded for the tournament so for example;
Mixed:
1st seed - Alumni
2nd seed - Apostles
3rd seed - Demon
That's all they need to implement, besides a hat, belt, news post and battle arena statue/main lobby news update I believe this "seeding" could be used as another prize given to those who place in the previous tournament.
Also I'd love to see the implementation of the winners statues being handed out to all members of the winning team to place in their house.

Im also an iDevice player from Europe, I mostly participate in mixed GSTs

A penalty for losing a spar should be added, so it´s not just random guilds spamming recruit and winning in gs because they outnumber.
Another nice thing would be a gs streak room.
Would also be neat to see the rank of the guild directly in the profile instead of just the points.

What's your excuse then? If one player can do it, then others can as well.

if graal had more players, things could've been much more serious. esp with stuff like gst. we could prevent guilds random recruiting for pts etc.

about one gst thing- i like it, i think idevs can handle it if it happens. top idev players(pt, sarah, qes) are confident to take on pc sparrers, but people below it, who occasionally have a chance of winning in idev gst might hate it lol.

I wouldn't like a whole one Gst, I like the idev and PC split, it's different when it's 1v1 but once it's 5v5, it's not as easy for idev to do it. Yes there may be a idev team that could so it but most idev teams would be wiped first/third round because PC has some advantages, like strafing and I never freeze on PC

if one gst happens, people won't have all idev in their team lol
and good pc players do not use strafing that much and non freeze part i gotta agree. i feel bad when idevs freeze in the middle of spar lol

Than what would idevs do? They won't have a Gst

If you won't have a GST then you're just not good enough to compete in it

u bettr find a new team inco cuz u suk

This new system encourages guilds and sparrers to spar more, don't see why there are some negative comments about it especially when they don't spar that much. For me, there's no difference between PCers and iDev so I hope there will be just 1 GST, it will more competitive than it ever was since I think the iDev GST side has more better teams!!
It's not encouraging to see an all time PK leaderboard (though it should be somewhere but not a board), but now everyone will try to be top 3 so we will probably see more people hitting milestones and idem for spar.
Thank you staff!

Imo tournaments should remain separate. Only change I want to see is iDev tournament cut down to 32 teams.

?? idev would naturally join/recruit some pcs or android in their team.
im saying it will be rare to see all idev teams if one gst happens.

it's giving more equal opportunity, cause people will recruit players based on their skill regardless of their platforms.

Rewards for top baddy kills? Wow, that's kinda unique. Too bad fighting baddies is the most frustrating thing ever x.x

OMFG MAD.. that they fully removed viewing of overall ldrboard of guildforts. They should have all of the positions(top50) where they all finished at time of seasonal change atleast somewhere ongame for all to see.. if they don't do that then get fked sparring community you invited this, graal once again not remembering the past.

IDK why people talk about a single GST as if it's a one-sided thing where only iDevices have it harder... It'd be harder for PC players as well, considering delay is basically the hard counter to any good sparrer

I also don't get why people keep complaining. I know plenty of iDev who are really good and beat tons of PC players. If they can do it then anyone should be able to if they tried hard enough.

When I came back in Sept (after 7 years) it confused the hell out of me that there were 2 different GST tournaments... it doesn't make sense to me still to this day. Has 1 GST tournament and things also become way more competitive.

There's a fallacy here. Although it is correct that it will be more competetive, it is not because it would be merged, but because 32 lesser teams would be dropped which can also be reached with Goten's suggestion below. If you merged the two GST's the overall competition for 2nd and 3rd place would be tougher, but the competition for the winner will be the same situation as the mix side in which the team with the 5 best PC's will have the best chance to win. To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the top idevice teams were easily beaten by the 2nd and 3rd place teams from the mix side (and not because I think those teams are more skilled. Hard for me to believe that a plataform that gives out false positives for speed hacking is in the same level playing field as a platform that doesn't)

Good idea


If a merger ever does happen the winners will most likely be determined by the platform and not the "skill"



Lol poor PC players. If PC players want to test themselves against idevicers they're always welcomed to get on a phone and show their "skill" against these delayer monsters. You know what idevicers that wanted to test themselves against PC's did? They jumped to their PC's and tested themselves. Where my iPC'rs at? Aguzo, Fulgy, and OG stand up.

Alumni isn't even the 5 best PCs and I'd immediately ask at least one iDevice player to be with us if that ever did happen, so invalid argument

We just press a macro on our keyboard and it just does everything for us

You're the one complaining and making excuses, I'm the one that embraces it being harder to win
I'd expect bad sparrers to not want it to happen, but the GST isn't for bad sparrers

Not everyone is willing to move to another country just to spar one hour. Not everyone is willing to abuse their satellite connection to compete.

But I am interested to know who are these idevicers and which PC players are they beating. Can you name 5?


PC players already feel they have the most competitive GST why are they so desperate to spar the idevicers? Us idevicers prefer our on kind, we racists :D

http://www.graalians.com/forums/poll...lts&pollid=881

Teams consist of 7 players X_X. But I know, that's why the queen suggested a merger, easy belt for her. Sorry Sarah_ <3


Long stick sword hack brah

That's not the point. iDevicers wanted to test themselves against the legendary PC sparrers, so they "evened" the playing field and now Aguzo is legendary. If he could do that along with others(fulgy) then PC players could do the same thing if they wanted to test themselves. You don't hear idevicers asking for a merger, so why force them.



Edit: You embrace making it hard for the idevice sparrers, but not harder for you. You want to embrace making it harder lets make it idevice only. :D

I'm not complaining. Pointing out how I see things. If you want I can even come pretty close as to guess what's the real reason you want a merger.

I literally just made that up, the quoted post from fp4 was a joke, no staff ever said that and I highly doubt that'd be the case if they ever did combine both GSTs
I only mentioned there being one GST because there are no longer split leaderboards or device-specific rooms, so it seems like a pretty obvious progression

Please entertain me with how a single, harder GST benefits me in absolutely any way imaginable
The current way is what benefits me... Just like the old leaderboard benefited me, yet I still suggested the change

For all you know, I could have posted that simply because I know people will disagree with anything I say and I want there to be 2 GSTs for as long as possible since Alumni is highly favored in both of them

What does this have to do with what we are discussing? You said you would immediatley ask one idevice player, so I pointed out 7 players. 5 core pc's which allow for 2 idevicers to get an ez belt. Meaning why I said Sarah_(the queen) suggested it. I don't know what your respond is directed at.


We all know GOAT doesn't need bait. Oh nvm you playing reverse psychology on Fp4.

Oh, I thought you were referring to:
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(That was just a joke to anyone skimming the page)
Anyway, this thread is about the new leaderboards and not the GST

The question is not whether which one benefits you the most, but which one benefits your enemy the least. The old leader board was abused(according to you) by a person you constantly bashed, so the suggestion would take away that persons claim to fame as the top sparer. He would not be able to use the I'm #1 on the leader board, so I'm the best sparer line.

One GST will not make it harder for you, it will make it harder for idevice players. No idevice team is winning a GST against PC teams unless NS happens again. Whoever uses idevice GST to claim top sparer honors will no longer have that since PC teams will be the dominant ones. It's easy to predict players behavior when they are obsessed with the game. When the game means that much to them they will go to any lengths for their obsession.

How far am I? Don't lie brotha, pretty good hey