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Draenin 08-17-2014 05:35 AM

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Posted by HON3Y BADG3R (Post 498729)
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Added in the 1950s due to the political campaigning of a chaplain. It has only been in the pledge for a quarter of American history.

The founding fathers were secularists, and sought to get away from religious rule by the Church of England.

Dawn 08-17-2014 05:37 AM

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Posted by Draenin (Post 498972)
Added in the 1950s due to the political campaigning of a chaplain. It has only been in the pledge for a quarter of American history.

The founding fathers were secularists, and sought to get away from religious rule by the Church of England.

so true.if they refused and started a rebellion,they would of killed them all.

HON3Y BADG3R 08-18-2014 03:01 AM

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Posted by Draenin (Post 498972)
Added in the 1950s due to the political campaigning of a chaplain. It has only been in the pledge for a quarter of American history.

The founding fathers were secularists, and sought to get away from religious rule by the Church of England.

My point is that it is there. And England's religious rule was one religion. They came for religious freedom.

Draenin 08-18-2014 04:35 AM

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Posted by HON3Y BADG3R (Post 499258)
My point is that it is there. And England's religious rule was one religion. They came for religious freedom.

Religion is kept separate from the government, but because the government accommodates religious groups on occasion (like allowing native americans to possess and use peyote / ayahuasca for religious rituals) a lot of christian groups have been trying to gain control over people through corporations instead of the government itself. (And I say christian, because other religious groups have not done so... yet.)

Aside from Hobby Lobby, Chick-Fil-A is a great example of this. Their founder is a southern baptist, and the company's profits have been donated in the past to help fund anti-gay organizations. And thanks to the recent Citizens United ruling, they can also donate unlimited amounts of money to political candidates who also support their cause.

That means politicians get more money for ads, more media coverage, and as much as they need to travel to whatever locations they want during election season. And the amount they receive may far outweigh that of other candidates. But if those companies are owned by someone who is strongly religious, they may stop funding these people and send money to people who do support their beliefs instead.

Unfortunately, because of this, religious owners of corporations are now allowed to pull strings behind the scenes in America, and it has caused plenty of outrage because they often donate money to organizations that may discriminate against their very own employees, and their workers can't do anything about it except quit. (Wherein the company will save money by not having to pay them, and have the option to hire someone else instead.)

The groups and politicians they support then lobby and vote to try and get laws passed which allow them to infringe upon the civil rights of others, and aim to make certain groups into second-class citizens through legal means. The Hobby Lobby case is just one of many such attempts to roll back laws to the way they were in 'the good old days' when very few people had all the rights they do now.


Cookie Xanadu 08-18-2014 06:12 AM

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Posted by Dawn (Post 498957)
they probably wouldnt fire female workers for using birth control,they would get sued.


say,u worked at mcdonalds,and the salary was $11.00 a hour, and another place payed $5.00. the salary,should be based on what regular restraunts pay that they can afford to pay their workers.if they have 1.00 a hour, no one aould work there.
And,if u want equal wages, it wont happen.if u want birth control,which is not covered by hobby lobby,u will get the same as men,but have to spend it on birth control and go and buy it. it is equal wages, and,if a woman didnt get birth control and needed it,they should of saved their money to buy birth control. for example,if your a man, and u needed food,ur company doesnt give free food. u spent all ur money on a game,and u are going to die in a day unless u eat, but have to spend money for no reason,and work because no one gave u food and spent ur money on useless items.

summary i couldnt really explain above..:Women who need birth control will choose to get birth control,taking money out of their wages. if a woman doesnt need birth control but still have periods,she still ends up wasting money on getting rid of periods, or birth control, so, there will never be equal wages for women and men.employers like hobby lobby,shouldnt have topay for birth control, if they could of bought it with their own money that they got in their wage.
sorry if any of my information is wrong, since i know nothing of this,or rules for insurance either.

For **** sakes man, quit being an illiterate **** and use spaces after punctuation.

Yes I mad. I very mad.

GOAT 08-18-2014 06:39 AM

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 499321)
For **** sakes man, quit being an illiterate **** and use spaces after punctuation.

Yes I mad. I very mad.






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