yes he didn't give much but, before he never said anything. we are getting there, next step will be him showing us something (hopefully)

Yeah no not as graal server on ios/android

I agree with Fp, at least he showed us something.

But the question is: What happens after the tileset?

Am I missing something here:giggle:

oops, I meant responded and told us what was going on, even if you see it as an excuse.

Do we really need layers? I'm not a level expert, but are they really necessary?
Because if they are not then why bother? if it involves starting again then there is no point.

its always nice to have the ability to use transparent tiles, especially on a futuristic themed game

Wait isn't that possible anyway(like delteria's dungeon with spike drop or that just scripted?) Also why would the full map etc need to be redone from scratch.it wouldn't? maybe certain levels but not all? Neverless I wouldn't mind if it didn't have layers..lauers would make more work and possibly more problems when combined with player lagging on levels etc.

Layers are time savers tbh, for graphic designers and level artists.

not really though.

yes they are

If layers are what you say they are, surely they'd think about that before making the tileset...

I just hope we don't have to wait another long period due to restarting the tileset

It's not restarting the tileset, it's restarting the levelling, maybe with some tweaks here and there to the tileset (which probably would have happened anyway)

trust me, levels look MUCH better with layers

that is, if they're used correctly

yet to see levels with layers that don't cause problems.

i dont see why they would make a layered tileset

according to chelt, layers arnt working on the facebook client, neither are particles

so either the client got some buffs, or its a normal tileset

Alpho found a way around the layers issues on Facebook.

And about all the others, layers is a huge time saver and makes things look a lot better.

So Chelt where we at on the tileset. Speaking on behalf of Zone players, I'm pretty sure we want to see the progress on the tileset. Unless there's no real progress that's why you haven't showed us anything lol.

You should just trust him and wait.
You seriously would have no idea if some bigger issue or implication popped up regarding the tileset.

Also atm just enjoy the halloween one

I think that's the point he came up months and months ago with the Hey guys here's tileset how far we are on it(covered in blue-not even a few tiles showing[basically no evidence]) Expects you to believe- Give benefit of the doubt *gives months and months longer for an update on piece* he comes back with oh been on vaca -no update... Eventually gets riled up with players getting fed up of nothing happening no update(evidence of anything) then pops up after another couple of months-rather than saying what's happening goes on about players wanting stuff-claims it's still happening[doesn't say anything about layer issue or anything] then eventually makes remark about it and claims they would need to redo from scratch ALL stuff if works cough bs. And throws of the I'm away for month but see you in year 3000 not much has changed but we live under water.

Now it's all out in open players should be updated with problem arising rather than being left in lerch. classic have done this strategy(any hope for progress)for years to keep players longer than they usually would and it works very well except it doesn't play well in the long run for community.


But yeah.
no images,no tiles shown.no sneakpeaks.. For something that everyone is going to see anyway if actually going to even use seems fishy as fk whether there is one even made, wouldn't suprise me if you get the unixmad doesn't want it to be change now excuse if not that chelt will vanish.hi delteria. what's zone.

How do layers work in a tileset? (I'm thinking of the gfx kind of layer) is it the thing where something is transparent when u go behind it

graal currently has no real functionality for layers, you cannot walk behind tiles (yet?)

right now, with the help of gonstruct, you can select through layer 0-X and create as many tileset layers as you wish and put tiles on another to your hearts desire (or until your level filesize explodes...)

if you want it to contain semitransparency, it needs to be 24 bit PNG

don't you use NPCs for layers anyways?
if its done, then use it now. We can already start using it whilst waiting for the tileset to be remade if layers need to be added.

no npcs neccessary, no systems neccessary, every server supports layers, its just that a level filesize is bigger and differently encrypted

random normal NW:



layered level:



whereas BOARD [NoIdeaSry] [TileX] [TileY] [LayerNum] + Respective encrypted Tiles

or something like that

Sometimes I want to kill myself

Pic doesn't show up

Its a gif saying Do it

just do it

U should see my closet

I'm not gonna engage into that right now, sorry about that. But one thing I gotta say is, that there are teasers on the server and new ones are also ready to release

the only thing I wanna see from u is ur grave buddy

on topic: Holy **** nice tileset, a bit blue but wow

You basically have a tileset. On that tileset you have stuff like dirt tiles, and grass tiles and whatever you need. You also have small rocks for example.

You put grass or dirt or whatever you need on layer 1, then put the stone on layer two. Therefore you only have one tile in the tileset wasted on that rock (cause you can place it on any tile you want and recombine it). If you didn't have that you need a tile for grass/rock, dirt/rock, etc etc

Seriously, guys, the staff team is compromised of 10 people (excluding ZPs). Practically 2 of them are graphics artists.
How do you expect them to come up with a tileset in two days?

Alright, so the older staff team failed to deliver on a tileset. But you all have no right to criticise the new one for not delivering on what the older team promised.

You do realize he promised an update months ago, scrub. Never make promises you can't fulfill to the public. Plus someone else is doing it, pendeja.

there's a paid artist making the tileset.

Yet I never said a release date. I presented the idea because I wanted to show people that something bigger is being worked at. I even said on the threads that it is far from being done

The presentation of the idea was dreary. Next time do not make announcements without specifics. Hooray for the blue boxes though! 🎉

use/release it now until this layer issue has been fixed no?
seems like a solution that can make people happy.

You shouldnt have even announced it. You should've kept it a secret and then released it once it was time. Announcing something and then it taking forever stresses alot of people. So many people saw the announcement and now are waiting for it day in and day out. When it doesnt come, it makes people angry and stressed out wondering when its going to come.
When we were presented with the new layout of the map, we were not informed of it..It was a suprise. Therefor there was noone waiting for it, knowing that it would come one day..It was all a shock, a suprise.

Next time, when your working on a big project, dont announce it until its completed and put in the game. It'll save you the stress of seeing tons of raged players waiting for it to come out and you can work on it in peace.

^ This sure thing if tileset is already done and you are using it already, tell me why it's not being used to release map there is no reason why it can't be used while you guys work in background with the layers-tileset, least this way players have what they want and there will be less pressure on getting the other tile stuff done onother layers(could just use npc's in mean time for adding rocks etc) nothing would change if used tileset then added layered one afterwards..except it being easier for you to create stuff

The map isn't done. The tileset is. The artist is working on npcs and buildings right now.

The goal is to build the entire new map with the layers, not to rebuild everything again and again

they see us rolling. they hating.

patrolling they tryna catch me working.
t-t-t-t-tryna catch me working.
p-p-progress tryna catch me working.


wont lie doe. the random beds in the park look dope.

Someone post the teasers that are meant to be around map(I was waiting until new map/tileset release to celebrate with 1k hours)the wait goes on xD

So you could do map as tileset is done(part from other parts of the layers) as said they can be npc's(not even really needing to change after layers come) I'd also say to stray away from image using on houses/building, as I said before that combined with any such lag doesn't work well(even if easier for you) it causes problems and buggy using images everywhere.

You clearly don't understand it correctly. If we decided to use layers I would have to redo every tile on that map. Also we have building npcs because they simply are to big for the tileset right now and you need to be able to walk behind them (doesn't Really cause lag) which would also he solved if we had layers

You wouldn't necessarily need to redo every tile as levels could use old tileset of it and new tileset with layers implemented overtime/new levels. but up to you i guess. any guess or likeliness of expected release?

I'm just surprised no one has leaked part of the map on dev server yet. Dev staff (on zone especially) aren't necessarily known for being well-behaved staff.

They can't leak it. We insured that, trust me [emoji48]

nicee, I would ask how, but you probably couldn't tell me. Still curious, though. I remember anything on dev server that was being worked on would be leaked by some dev staff. Happened every time.

It's hard to leak something that isn't real mate:giggle:jokes