I think the real problem is that some of these people take the game too serious and complain about it their entire life but not willing to do anything to change it themselves.

I always sparred on the same connection, you're talking as if I wanted it to be laggy. I wasn't eligible to fiber and when I moved out I got a 1Gb plan I could have kept my old one if I wanted to "lag". I don't even warp it's mostly delay (in France).

Because she is being banned and report-brigaded with no help or explanation when all she wants to do is actively spar and reach her goal...

I could care less about her stats. I'd do the same thing for anyone who was actually a decent person. Sarah is actually one of the reasons that I personally don't spar anymore. Even if she wasn't in Alumni, I really doubt I'd be queuing against her because I simply don't enjoy it. I don't hold it against her though and I can't hate or treat her unfairly due to it, because all she's doing it sparring. Honestly, I'd benefit from Sarah being banned because I'd probably enjoy sparring a hell of a lot more. That's still not a reason for me to actually support or act like it's fair for her to be banned when she shouldn't be.

It's like Meryl from PC Graal. Yes, the community hated her because her delay was insane, but she was an Australian in a majority American and European sparring environment. I wouldn't expect her to be banned or essentially voted out of the server for it.

Of course there is! They get more of everything, the good and the bad. There are times when I can set my status to something and get replies about it within 30 seconds. Sarah is known to delay, spars for hours a day, and a lot of people hate her because of it. If she and another random have the exact same latency, we know which one is going to get reported...

You know how many people have probably falsely reported Anyu (girl with 970k PKs) for account sharing with no proof at all? Based on the accusations on this forum, I bet a ton. The difference between that offense is that it's black and white. It can be proven 100% true or false. This "lagging too much" thing is blurred to the point where I feel like I'd be able to ban any sparrer I want that doesn't have an American flag and I'd be able to safely get away with it.

The question is, what made you idiots ban her at this point, and not before?

Looking at the spar ban debate, how does one determine if someone is lagging intentionally or not(staff can't see there ping-altering least they can't on zone and ol) All staff can check is if it speedhacking(that they likely wouldn't be able to keep altering while sparring) Also delaying how do they determine that when the server atm is lagwarping hell fort aren't even the same now as everyone just warps here and there on my screen(tried diff places/wifi still same) so them delaying could be produced by anything aswell i.e get a phonecall/notification etc while playing loging in and out etc etc.

Plus for a ban they need certain amount of warnings(usually 3-not sure for intentionally lagging or delaying) So there must actually be something wrong that is being done, else staff are at fault for targeting her?-but hey that's there job just because she has big stats doesn't make her above rule or mean she doesn't or hasn't done anything before.

That's really what I mean. Bans for lagging are discretion-based bans.

It's like if we didn't have speed limit signs. There would be police officers who stop people going 60, some who stop you at 70, some at 80, etc. How the hell does someone know what speed is over the limit?

I'm ranting at this point, but I'll reiterate that I think there needs to be a scripted warning system in place. I'm pretty sure just about everyone who has ever been banned for lagging would not have been banned for it if they knew they were at risk for being banned for it. Warping a player, disconnecting them, or even warning them for "game disruption" is extremely vague. It would defeat that issue and the issue of GPs being able to essentially ban anyone they want with the excuse that they were lagging.

Probably because she's on a 2 month HOLIDAYto Egypt where she has added quite a noticeable amount of lag onto her usually delay.

Or maybe because she used vpn a couple of times when she first went to Egypt to spar and gain points , pretty sure she openly admitted it and sparring on vpn is clearly breaking the rules although she had a semi valid reason to do it

I had 100% reason to do it lol why would I vpn if my pts were added properly? Plus you are complaining about me using a French vpn? I got 230 ms with the vpn and without it I get 400++ ms I can record it at any time. Obviously you aren't looking to what's fair and what's not fair you just want me banned. So you prefer to spar me with more ms right?

Also rimaz (the only Egyptian sparrer that I know) got banned for lagging. I don't even know why I'm banned, I assume it's lag but on my screen there was none.

I did say you had a semi valid reason , however weather you had a reason or not it's still agains the rules to vpn and it applies applies to everyone no matter the reason . At no point did I complain about you using a vpn I simply suggested it could be a reason for your ban , don't be so offensive about it as it was clearly something you have done. I couldn't care less if you are banned as I don't spend my time in graal unless it's gst month really.

No, I did that the last season and I got banned this season twice in less than a week for nothing I'm sure it's because of the mass reporting that they started.

You shouldn't even be talking, I clearly recorded you saying that I'm lagging terribly and you clearly stated "lag not delay" when I had 0 lag in the video I posted. You're part of that group who wants me banned for nothing. And you did get me warped out of spar when I didn't even lag.

Why would someone get banned if they vpned and didn't do activities or the vpn they used made them less laggy? You aren't looking whether the person is trying to cheat by fake lagging or not you're more like you vpned you should be banned.
I'll post a video proof that the vpn made me way less laggy and if staff allows me to spar on the French vpn again I will.

Yes in part of the group that thinks your delay plus and Egyptian lag is too unfair in the community ? It's not a unpopular though amongs players and you were clearly lagging when I said it , providing a video of one spar does not denote how much and often you lag. And yes at that point I was complaining at your lag and not your delay as I have never complained about your delay as it's not something in your control , however playing whilst lagging is something that in my opinion is under your control and you should be accountable for.

Nope, I wasn't lagging when you said that, I'll post these videos by the end of the day.

Yes considering you condensed about 1-2 hours off footage into 1 1/2 matches and everyone else was saying you was lagging not just me , because your the princess of graal you was clearly no lagging because you're perfect in every way !

Correct!


In other words, continue to blame someone else.

If the positions paid, then I'm sure there would be a lot better management. You are still correct though, but that's what stopping a lot of people from actually helping.
There aren't a lot of players who would make high quality staff, and would gladly do it for free.
Surprised that people like dusty, rufus, and fp4 even bother catering to the many requests of players, and do it for free (maybe).

There have been a few really good gps, but most of those don't stay for very long.

If you apply to do something, get hired to do it, and do it incorrectly then yes, you should absolutely be blamed. I have responsibilities as a player that prevent me from applying even if I wanted to. I do what I chose to do properly, so I'd expect a GP to do what they've chosen to do properly.

I wouldn't be hired anyway because I'm far too outspoken and have a ban (and immediate unban) in my account history. I've applied in the past.

That's unfortunate. You seem like a good lad.

Okay, first off I wasn't saying it as in "Thallen would be a bad GP", I was sincerely wondering if he was being sarcastic because he continued to mention it numerous times in a manner that could be taken as sarcasm.

Secondly, if that scenario you mentioned were actually true, I would've been fired right then and there, lol... And looking back I see how that could be seen as racist, at the time I wasn't even doing it to be racist, I was bored and had nothing better to do. I apologize if that's how it was taken, but it was not my intention to "be racist" (as for the other members, idk I met them that day).

I never banned anyone because they "told me I was bad at PKing" (if you look at my stats you'll see I literally care nothing of them). If I did do that, like I said, I would have been fired.

Good to see you bringing up this entire situation again (which happened I think like over a year ago) because you misunderstood a post I made.

I actually have mentioned numerous times to other people that I think you would actually be a good GP because you take **** from nobody, but then again who am I to say that? I was just a racist GP that banned people when they said I was bad at PKing, apparently.

I'd gladly take part in the drama but I'm not a GP. :(

Check your e-mails!!! How are you not triggered by 7.8k unread emails

On a side note, hope this all clears up for you, best of luck getting 100k wins before September

Thanks for spending you time on sending me a pointless reply.

How's that a pointless reply?? You are telling me not to spar when I lag a lot (and I don't spar when I excessively lag) and even when I don't lag you tell me that I lag to get me out of the room or to get me banned? You're crazy.

It's funny how I didn't even get warped out of that GST round when I very excessively lagged and I get warned/banned when I don't. Just because I'm known for delay it doesn't mean that I'm excessively lagging.

No your scrazy , I've never told you to stop sparring up until the point where you started lagging like crazy . As much as I've always disliked your delay I've never complained about it and have even defended you about it in the past as I'm aware it's not under your control.
But as soon as someone tells you that your lagging a lot to an advantage you decide to throw long ass tantrums saying that everyone sucks ... Etc
If everyone is saying your lagging in the room That clearly says something.
But I've learn from previous experiences that's your too stubborn and invested in your ego so I'll spare the argument here to not annoy everyone on the thread .

Weird Colin has not deleted or closed this thread since its discussing bans

You're stupid as ever. I've noticed many sparrers go on vacation and spar, and this was before the flag update yet nothing happens when they lag. Continue to be ignorant, Sarah just wants to spar and that's it, she's always had lag so I don't see why she had to be banned now rather than ages ago. The vpn part made me chuckle, do something about Paz, hell even that Johnny kid is delaying while on a us flag.

Whenever Sarah says she never lags I get the feeling shes a highly delusional person.

Also if thats you on an alt recording your main sparring you can see yourself skipping, You do lag you just fail to admit it. Banning you was unfair though, That Johnny walker dude got 5-6 people to mass report me for lagging and I was banned for game disruption. This sort of **** needs to stop there is no way you can ban someone based off of mass reporting from the same people.

I admit I myself have not enjoyed when Sarah spars, it takes my casual-joy of sparring and turns it into a chore.. I used to gear it towards her but it seems pointless now, she's JUST sparring.

I get why people may get annoyed or jealous of her accomplishments (no matter what road she took to achieve them) but it doesn't mean players should gang up to get her banned.. And who are these GPS who yield to aimless ****-reporting and ban her? Are they that inexperienced? Shouldn't there be met standards and guidelines?

And the community.. don't get me started on the community.. Too much ***-talking turned this casual activity into something personal. People take it way too close to heart and this progressive hive-mentality has since then made sparring different and more inflammatory...


I've done a ****load lately that I should've been banned for, but she's the one that's being banned?????
Instead of ***ing arguing lets actually do something productive to where we can make a difference so something as stupid as this wont happen again?



ex:

AdamX1 Sans-Fan {VIP} (Dragon-boolz) reported AdamX1 sucks wieners




See how this report system would be better?

A player would use it rightfully to notify a staff like the report system SHOULD be used.

It shouldn't be used to give your side of the story.. that's an open-door to bias


That way the staff know WHY the person is being reported and can make decisions based off black and white guidelines that were presented to them to comply to Moderation Standards.

If a player checked Harassment/swearing/ asking for acc info obviously they would check logs.. If there wasn't anything in logs they would monitor the player for a while.
If it was for Hacking/Glitching they would just warp to them.

Also, if there is a player with high-violations, the first (given) warning should get them probation.


http://i.imgur.com/KeP3gGc.png
Gradual sanctions

(taken from a Habbo post)

Here's me reporting a user, you see how I get access to all chat-log from the moment I've stepped into the room and his chat-onward.
http://i.imgur.com/BrPkpI0.png

See how there's no bias?

http://i.imgur.com/H5Anx8I.png

Your calling me ignorant ? You just said Sarah has always laged which is clearly not true , she's always delayed but lag is a whole different story... I've simply made a suggestion I've never stayed it's was exactly what she was banned for. Please don't call me stupid if your not gonna go and explain any valid backed up points thanks.

http://puu.sh/pGfCy/902c4a740d.png

This is the level of intelligence of one of the people that group together to spam report Sarah.

Her accusation is that Sarah uses an "iOS emulator" and that she uses "auto fire," all the while faking poor English so that people believe she's Japanese.
Coincidentally, she's rank #3 on the monthly leaderboard. The Johnny Walker guy is rank #4. Sarah is rank #2. They're pretty much saying whatever they have to to get her banned and pass her.

I hope GPs aren't trusting the reports of someone stupid enough to believe that there is a fully-functional iOS emulator out there that works with Graal, because there isn't. It's cringey to see a bunch of bad sparrers gang together just to get one of the better ones banned.

Maybe off topic but the reporting system seriously needs a rehaul, it's an absolute joke. Anyway grats to both for coming close to those numbers

If you guys have a better way to moderate 4.2k+ simultaneous players (let alone the 20k++ people who actually play) then you might wanna post it.

Mount, I don't think chat is logged. This idea also doesn't solve the problem of multiple people falsely reporting players for whatever reason.

players: "report system needs a major overhaul and GPs suck"

devs: "how should we fix it?"

players: "report system needs a major overhaul and GPs suck"

If a player abuses the system a staff can ban from reports for whatever time.. If chat isn't logged then my idea minus overworld chatlog

Nothing can stop abusing a power besides taking the power away.

actually pay people lol.

technically at my work i alone support over 20k users but we also have the infrastructure behind us to make improvements which graal obviously does not have because they refuse to put resources into that. So until that happens expect people to complain which in terms of this game means forever

Thank you stating the obvious. If a staff is caught abusing they will be warned/fired/possibly banned, and trust me when I say that they have the resources to monitor such behavior.

and if a player suspects someone is doing something wrong but it turns out false? this would scare people from reporting because they're afraid of being punished.

having to moderate reports on top of all the idiots the GPs have to deal with is demanding.

thats always been the dream innit bruv

3 consecutive reports violating and abusing the system can lead to a temporary ban.

If a player does it falsely 3 times consecutively obviously there's something they're not getting and should be given a course or small test they should go through to get them to understand etiquette of reporting

If a baby keeps touching a hot stove and they're not learning it's obvious there needs to be some intervention to prevent it lol

@notbeingabletomultitask
There should be ambassadors that are members of the community that get pinged for things like harassment etc and can moderate it there and if they see violation they can ping a staff who can moderate for a few seconds to see the issues.

Ambassadors would have no other power besides being able to ping a staff if they are catching in-action proof of something a staff member can easily warp to and handle from there.

just like habbo does, there are ambassadors that can mute a player for an hour for hate speech etc,

This would be too complicated of a system and it would fk up people and make them go power crazy or hunger for the chance to be an ambassador,so I'll mark if as unlikely.But maybe incoming GPS could go through an ambassador trial stage like this so there can be organization pertaining to who handles which specific requests
Lol I meant the report system is what is getting abused? Lol obviously it's not obvious then..

Nice man, you just inspired me to apply for GP for the 12th time. Let's hope there's a statute of limitations so that I can't ban you for your racism a year later when I don't get hired.

Yeah, "if" is a big keyword there. Who knows how long Soren would have gotten away with abusing his powers if I hadn't spent 2 weeks crying about it in my status and on the forums.

How does one get caught for improperly banning players under the premise that they were "lagging too much" though? Not every GP is as stupid and careless as Soren was. I think it'd be easy to get away with, especially if the banned player isn't fluent in English.

Mr. "I'm not interesting in being a GP."

You do not allow GPs to permanently ban people and limit the amount of time for bans. Easy.

How it's already done. GPs don't choose the time for bans. Only high ups can permanently ban.

Huh. Hire better people.

pls dont get me started on how air-headed some of the gps are...

I'm sure Thallen would be a fine GP, but can understand not wanting that responsibility. Babysitting hundreds of children sounds awful.

I guess better monitoring and logging of staff activity would be needed if it can go as undetected as Thallen makes it appear. What a hassle.

I'm really not, but if it means that there will be at least one person actively enforcing the rules at towers and in the arena then I'd do it. That was supposed to be Fulgore's job, but he lost access to his laptop.

Even if I submitted a Pulitzer Prize-winning application, I wouldn't be hired due to my account's history being a mess. One of the current GPs actually sent me a video of my account history (which is illegal). It's filled with "Scam Alert" (from having bit.ly URLs in my status) and "Boost Alert" (great joke) triggers. There is also a mark that claims my kills/deaths were reset (never happened). There are about 20 "Unban" marks yet only about 10 "Ban" marks. I don't know why any of this exists.

I've been banned two times, both which were immediately overturned. I've had my status reset a few times. I've been warped away from towers about 100 times for trivial reasons. 80 of those were probably from Soren. So yes, the best I can do is plead that people do the job correctly.

Can we please /closeThread , this has completely gone off topic and is just people trying to take shots at each other. Either way when a person normally get banned they are told to go to toonslab , so let's not give anyone special treatment? If the band truly not at fault then I'm sure who ever manages ban appeals will resolve the issue as it should be.

In game chat isn't logged iirc, pms however are..

On a side note, what can warrant an admin to check someone's pm history? If they report someone else will they have reason to check the person who placed the report?

mods aren't giving them any treatment. they're just busy irl.
and the thread should stay up till they reach the new milestone.
u can stop causing dramas though.

Probable cause.