Fair enough

He quit. He probably still would be but he doesnt play tw game anymore so I said was. The point is they're ignoring the people who are super qualified and instead Hiring people just because they're friends with other staff members.

Its not what you know its who you know in life, you cant expect us to know every single good person to hire, thats why we release application forms. We read hundreds of apps trying to find the right person, and deliberate it alot, we dont just hire friends.

well your from era this is more on iclassic. basically this guy sent in his application, and it was rejected despite all his qualifications

Even if some one is qualified it all comes down to who they feel is best fit for the position.

That's not for you to decide. Classic probably has a lot of applications to go through. There's many qualified people who send in their applications, they can't hire everyone.

Seems like they hire a lot of people who aren't nearly as qualified. Yeah they can't hire everyone. Yet they hire their friends instead of people who would actually be good.

^that

apparently knowing someone already makes them more qualified than a highly skilled person who you need to get to know because thats part of the job as a staff hirer,

you need to get to know the applicants, not just hire the ones you are friends with and already know.

That's not what's happening though. They are hiring their friends, and their friends aren't well qualified at all.

The crap I hear about the staff on iPhone servers doesn't give the impression that the people hired were the right choice.

i think we should take all the iphone gps and send the to iclassic where skyzer, thor, racil, and others will teach a lesson on how to be a good staff member. of course they probably wouldnt want to do this so theyd charge 5 bucks a head to get in.

Well Skyzer, until you've witnessed anything remotely close to what your claiming, these are just rumours. Might I also add that it makes complete sense that they would hire their friends? Friendships require trust, and they would obviously want to hire someone they trust. They would also know the person's personality and see first hand how they react to people. Regardless, they don't just hire their friends. There are many people recently hired that prove this to not be true. I honestly get really irritated when the people in this game think it makes them cool to complain about the staff. It's a game so play it, the staff team aren't doing anything to hinder your gameplay experience.

Of course it makes sense they'd hire there friends, but it doesn't mean they're qualified by any means.

Ugh this goes on and on like a broken record...

Feedback is for: suggestions/criticism about the game. Do not expect a response. Asking for an admin to contact you, asking for a hat or generally just being an idiot will get you banned from feedback and it's unlikely you will ever be unbanned.

Report: To report other players you feel are doing something wrong or have offended you. try to make it informative and constructive like, "He is making sexual remarks", "harassing other players" or "Racist remarks". Reports like, "he is mean" or "he was rude" are far less helpful and take more time to investigate and potentially resolve. The amount of fake reports is incredible and it's just hurting the players more than anything.

For everything else? [email protected] ! Make sure your email is well formatted and clear and concise. Don't needlessly waffle on!

Now, Skyld has demonstrated the sheer amount of junk PMs admins generally get while on. Not to lol on Skyld but he isn't nearly as popular as some of the more well known GPs who get spammed not only by people who see them but also people who have them friended for additional spamming capabilities.

Wading through gallons of mud to find a single diamond is a very tricky job and things can be missed. Further more, if you send a single PM amonst a thousand spam messages and they log off / reconnect? That message is gone. For these reasons: do not send any important requests via a PM because it is not guaranteed delivery and most certainly not a guaranteed response.

I honestly don't know why players keep going on about, "it's the admins responsibility to answer PMs! I know because I am right!". The admins responsibility, in my opinion, is to patrol for public inappropriate displays and respond to reports. If players could stop sending junk messages, maybe the system would work but it just doesn't happen. Maybe...just maybe this is why no-other game has a direct chatline to the staff outside the support center because it is just not practical and just prone to abuse. (if you could see the messages players think they would get away with when they respond to an announcement/event message....it's disgraceful).

If players could do the right thing and use the report feature properly, things would be great! Maybe less reporting the same guy 100 times in 20 seconds because, "omg he said butt BAN HIM NAOW!!!! OMG WHY U NOT BANNED YET"

In summary for the moron trolls who will do a stupid tl;dr then continue bitching:

• Feedback = feedback with no response
• Report = report to be followed by an investigation
• Email = Delayed help with a response

I want to see Skyzer as classiciphone dev. That would be amazing. Way to stir the pot.

Admin friends:
For some reason, players get it through their mind that players who are friends should not ever become admins because it's unfair! How stupid! Classic admins are all friends and if you cannot be our friend, it's never going to work out.

You might say friends go through an extended interview process and if they are thought to be worthy, we will ask them. Doesn't quite work the other way around if they ask/beg and more than anything, will lessen the chance in the future. Is this unfair? I don't think so as I've already mentioned the necessity of being able to be our friend.

Now, we could go solely off words in an email but it's highly inefficient. First off: it's not a true representation of the players as most will elevate themselves to godhood in their responses. It's only really good for weeding out the completely inappropriate but this isn't much at all. Generic answers and limited knowledge about the person behind it makes for a slow, tedious process.

If we cannot think of a candidate who could be appropriate for a situation, we can go to the applications. But why not try someone who we know and think is quite capable for the position? The time saved by doing this is incredible!

This isn't an uncommon practice: it happens in the workplace. Employers asking employees to recommend suitable new recruits saves a lot of energy.

So guys, instead of crying about the processes: work towards becoming a better member of the community. Crying gets you nowhere. Constructive criticism and ideas gets you noticed. Rallying behind Higbey gets you nowhere except on our wall of shame which we walk past and laugh. (sort of joking?)

So yeah, start being constructive! Just throwing the same message back and forth between each other in thread after thread is doing nothing :(

Potential ideas:

• Write a detailed post about an event you would like, "saying omg more events" is not a suggestion.
• Suggest a PR system which could help our GPs work more efficiently (tiered GPs, trusted players with priority reporting? who knows!)
• Developer? Make a level Az could look at or a script I can peruse that demonstrates your idea and it will work wonders for you!

And most importantly: don't be a ****! We don't like dicks. We remember those who have been dicks. We will know if you bag us out in the community constantly.

I have a screenshots of two admins dragging players onto trees on my Facebook.

Skyzer would be a awesome iPhone dev

Most likely to ban them, and what one staff member does shouldn't reflect all of them as a team.

Lol! You're funny but no he wouldn't. He hates iClassic and feels the need to inform everyone of this. He's quite the superb individual!

Id like to point out many people who have "rallied" with me are now on the staff team, and some of us aren't so different.

Maybe we could get more scripters if players were shown scripting is the only way to get hired, instead of being friends.

Secondly, the all being friends is bull.
I've seen the chats, seen the arguments, you sell eachother out, it's funny how suddenly those "friends" drop from your favor when fired. The idea that so many different people could be "one big family "
Is ridiculous.

Third of all, in most jobs you need to work with people you don't like, if you put working with people you like before people with skill then your just being selfish and hurting the players.

It's not if you get along well, it's how it affects the server.

That's pretty ****in' neato.

Please bare in mind that iClassic is a COMMUNITY game. People just aren't going to be hired because "i wunt 2 heklp." People are hired because they are well known around the community.

OMG I FRIKIN HAET ADAIMS THEY NEVR DRAG MEH OR GIVE ME LIGHTSABERS AND I NEVER WIN EVENTS SKREW ADAIMS I HATE GRAAL

lol

Yeah twinny with your admin messages thing: te staff have made absolutely no visible effort to stop spam to their accounts. Like I said to sklyd, you really have to experiment. Tell the staff to remove pms from friends only and then send out a mass on saying something like "you can now pm an online staff member directly if you need any help or have a question. Please note that all spam messages such as asking to be staff, or asking for a hat will be ignored, and persistence will result in the respective staff member blocking you. All PMs to staff should be important matters." my guess is the horror of having an admin block them would stop a lot of players from doing it. And seeing that the staff are pretty ban happy with feedback. I know a ton of people who are banned from it, so it makes using the tool pretty hard. How about you guys remove the bans, and give abusers limited Time bans and after multiple offenses will get perm bans. I got banned for asking them to remove the zanza base from azraels treehouse since its not fair to the other guilds that they get this secret base.

And at the hiring friends thing I'd like to start off by saying who do you hire first in the work place: the guys who's super qualified, has tons of past experience, went to a good school, however doesn't know anyone from work, or toms friend who he says is really cool?

You should be doing things the other way around. Looking at applications and if no ones good enough then turning to friends. If someone is qualified and has staff friends then that's great but most of the people I see are unqualified with staff friends.

You say that the people have to get along with other staff members and I agree. They should be friends. However you don't give people the chance to get to know him. In the case of my friend ifuzzy who I mentioned earlier as a very qualified person who wasn't hired, he was mature enough that he didn't run around trying to make Frieda with every admin he saw. Most of the people who are Friends with admins these days are friends with them for the sole reason that their an admin. now I'm not saying that everyone who is Friends with a staff member doesn't like that staff member and is only there for leverage but that's probably how it began. Someone sees a staff member on their iPhone account and says hi, strikes up a conversation, etc. the reason they started it was because they were an admin. then you have friends of friends who join staff guilds because they have Friends there and then become friends with the admin. the point is ifuzzy didn't run around trying to strike up conversations with them. He was open to making new friends but it was usually through being friends of friends or them striking up a conversation with each other. He never went up to say hi to someone just because they're staff. I'd think youd want someone like that. Who sees the staff position more as a job. The people who say hi to the admins worship them, and look up to them, and want to be their friends because they're admins. Then when they are made admins because of their friend they're one of the gods who gets to run around and be worshipped. They're not really qualified though they're just friends.

Even then most admins put themselves on this big pedestal and see themselves better than all the players and therefore don't really try to make Friends with other people because everyone wants to be the admins friend. This is mostly because they're unqualified :P. but it makes it hard to actually make friends with a staff member which it's become apparent is the only way to get hired.

I can't imagine any person who insulted every staff member and the game using 'evidence' pulled out of their arse as a viable staff member.

I've had a few requests but on inspection, the players have either not been skilled enough or just not right for the community (god complex, self-serving etc.) The requirements for this server are quite high. Need to understand efficient coding practices and ability to confirm to existing standards.

I've seen ex-staff logs and they don't look pretty but most of the time I don't remember those events actually taking place...hmmm. Besides, tiny snippets aren't representative of RC as a whole.

If every admin hates every other admin: it's just not going to work. If a new employee is unable to get along with their colleagues at a job, it does not reflect well on the new employee. More so here since it's a community role.


So Higbey (or anyone else), suggest a complete hiring procedure that can deal with thousands of applicants without taking too much time per review. Since you don't like admin recruitment, you have to take into consideration a lot of time will have to be spent into accessing the applicant since an email with some 'details' only weeds out illiterate people. You will have to decide how much information they will provide per stage taking into account time spent per applicant per stage.

Go!

How would you find an admin that's easily online? What if the player spams the service straight up but decides he wants to do a truthful one later? Would one block be all block for admins?

Now, we have an offline system that's perfect for support called an email system. We do not have the man power to handle everything single PM that pops up in game as that is a completely ridiculous request. PMs are a sequential system: messages as they come. How can staff expect to handle 10 or more separate support issues when they are all interwoven?

Emails provide a system we can handle, that provides a history regarding an issue (what if admin went offline half way through an issue? you'd have to talk about it all over again!). This is a system that a handful of volunteers can handle efficiently and easy.

Talking to admins is not and I doubt it will ever be a guaranteed method of support and you guys need to understand it for all the damn obvious reasons.

Good thing I already mentioned we look at people who we know are qualified and we know could potentially fit the role quite well. Again, this is the whole far less resources fitting a role thing.

You should be doing things the other way around. Looking at applications and if no ones good enough then turning to friends. If someone is qualified and has staff friends then that's great but most of the people I see are unqualified with staff friends.

Give me an efficient and accurate way of getting to know people considering the sheer amount of applications we get.

That is a good thing... It means that there nervous and dodging the subject means they know its true

Lets get honest theres three/four types ofGPs
Experienced good ones who do there job
Corrupt denyful Ones that this forum is bassed on
And inexperienced noobs who arent qualified and are picked on because there up in the higher graal community and have many refrences
And then theres the same but these are expered and qualified

No, it means it was annoying and nobody wanted to hear that. Also, how is that true? Twinny and many others have already answered you guys. I honestly don't see what anyone is trying to accomplish in this thread. You got your answer, what more do you want?

A large earthquake in Paris.

Twinny, admins could make themselves more available like hanging out in graal without gold names and on the ground with everyone else. If they see anyone with a question they can answer, people can ask them, they can chat and get more in touch with the community, etc. then people can add them, etc. if things start getting to crazy then they can leave. But as long as they're not advertising the fact that they're staff things should be fine. If someone spams them then they get blocked. Sucks or them if they have a REALY question later. But it's better than having it so you just can't contact them. This way if they lost it it's at least their fault. Your getting rid of the people who spam, and the ones your trying to avoid. The reason your not doing it you claim is that there'd be too much spam. So you cut down on it by blocking people. And one block wouldn't go for all the admins. Because then it'll just be like feedback and wouldn't work since someone sends one message to some abusive admin and boom banned. Little more flexible this way. But really you have to experiment with it and try it out before you can say that it's a bad idea. Give it a try discourage spamming, block people,give it 2 weeks and if it doesn't work then get rid of it, telling the community why you had to. But honestly I dont see why era can and we can't. Sure we have a larger player count but a larger staff team too probably.

Email will only get you so far. Pming someone is much more accessible.

And lol then why are there so many unqualified staff members? It's pretty obvious that the current system doesn't work because a lot of the staff members are pretty bad and many of the ones in the past had been pretty bad. I mean you could have had some true gems that would have helped improve the server if you actually paid attention to applications. Applications are just cruel. You ask people to fill them out teasing them with the opperatunity of getting hired but no matter how qualified they are unless they're friends with a ton of staff members then they won't get accepted. PiX who's actually a scripter and knows GS2 applied and you didn't even accept him! What's even the point of them! A person applies who says he has a skill which the server could use most but nope because he doesn't know any staff members! The server would probably be a lot better if you hired people from applications who had skills that could possibly help the server. If it doesn't work out you fire them. But honestly I think the server would be a lot better if you hire people from applications. Because like I said people who are friends with admins probably want to be admins for the fame.

You want to know how to get to know them? Hire them then chat with them and see how they do. If they're abusive fire them if not then keep them on. And for the love of god hire PiX!

Staff should simply read applications and be willing to set trials (with limited rights) outside of their comfort zone.

All currently successful Graal servers often do open applications and actively hire from them, so Classic iPhone should, too.

I know it's not your fault, Twinny, but it isn't blameless. I don't believe the entire team is corrupt, but I do believe a small handful of individuals are causing problems for the server.

Bow is usually in Graal city, on her 65 AP when she isn't patrolling.
Not everyone uses their Staff AP ALL THE TIME. Get that through your head.

It's more convenient. To the player. Who wants a hat.

Emailing shows a sense of formality, which shows that they have a serious issue with another player or Staff member.

PMing Staff is just pointless. Report whoever the heck is annoying you.

I don't see why staff need boots and "Staff AP."

On Classic PC, I rarely use boots because I can just warp, and I only use God Mode if I'm in a level with monsters while I'm working.

In fact, we don't even give FAQS staff tools because they are supposed to be answering questions, not running around with staff boots. And, when staff members are not on tag, they cannot even use stall tools. Being on places players cannot get to, like on trees, buildings or cliffs, is also frowned upon.

The way iClassic handles its staff is just asking for them to abuse their powers. You cannot trust every 15-year-old to be able to handle the responsibility to uphold an image of professionalism when the goal of the game is to have as many hats as possible to show off to your friends. Not to mention that there are thousands of players constantly bitching at them for any reason.

How can abuse be prevented (to a point)? Only give staff tools to staff who need them. Only allow staff tools to be used on tag. Log the actions staff members. (time, level, and to whom drag was used on for example)

It's clear that the conduct and integrity of staff members was not in thought when the iPhone servers were in development, but maybe now is the time to look into it and do something about it.

Skyzer you obviously know nothing about graal if you don't understand that the staff need boots to get to places where players can't go and show their authority over them. Psshh. I mean how are players suppose to take the staff seriously if they're not hugging on of their friends on top of a building?

All that matters is that they're doing their jobs, which they are. Does it really matter if they stand on trees? You guys find odd topics to rant about.

Dear god... Like seriously..

First off, its put on PM only because of spam.. They have tried this before!

Second, while there are admins that basically search through random pieces of applications looking for the next big scripters, theres also other admins that are looking around for scripters aswell... Its just the fact that no one ever stands up and ask... And when they do, they're only qualified to low standards... Which is not acceptable considering the amount of responsibility you are to have being an admin

Last but not least, The only people they're hiring at the moment is GP and Uploaders (i don't think for uploaders anymore): Two of which at the moment are a really high point in the game right now: Uploads and Moderation.

Any under additions are under the majority of staff members and Stefan...
Just shut up and be patient please..

im just curious. What questions do you want to ask us anyways?

and again, for the people saying all staff have pms from friends only on just pm me. Even if you have a question for another admin, and they have friends only on just pm me and i will be more than happy to transfer your question to whatever admin.

Lol you stupid or something?

Go ahead and just ignore practically everything in the post you just quoted

I said they've made no attempt to stop the spam. The players do it because they haven't told them not to. They haven't really tried it before on a large scale. I suggested a plan on how I would go about it but I guess you were just too lazy to read that before posting.

And the situation with scripters on iclassic isn't good at all. They have some of the best in the community, but all of them are basically part time. Iclassic desperately needs scripters. They really need to test anyone who shows the slightest interest in a position on the server. Even if they're a little below par, the current Scripters can mentor, and teach them to be better. The fact that they're not even paying attention to someone who has an interest in a scripting position is pretty stupid.

And what am I being patient for exactly?

So let me get this straight: your basically requesting admins to hire scripters (most of which are self-serving and such as what Twinny said) so that they can make more "Free" or "Active" content for players such as quests,events,items and such.. am i right?

Now im not saying that as a bad thing but heres another thing i'd like to point out: Stop.. Being... Freaking.. Serious.

They don't desperately need scripters.. Its just the impatience of your community asking for quests and such (*cough* HIGBEY *cough*). Please also notice that its part-time because they got better things to do.. Social activities, school/college, friends, jobs, etc. They're not getting anything from this other than making players on Graal happy so why the hell should they ever do this full-time?

And scripters of iClassic aren't supposed to teach those who are below or just touched onto the standards of scripting. You're supposed to know it and experiment more with it from the very start if you're willing to qualify. If you can code using graal PC (i think... idk), then use it and keep learning without the need of admins having to teach scripters when they could be doing more updates for the game.

The two scripters that were actually worth having on that team were Marion and Remi (THE QUEST!!!). I'd have those two back on that staff team rather than any of those qualifying scripters because they actually put some god damn effort! Idk what happened with them though..

I think I see the problem here...the bulk of the igraal community has never experienced really good staff members. Staff members who if caught doing some of the **** Ive seen admins doing on iclassic would be fired immediatly while on here it's just sort of buissiness as usual. I don't really care. If you guys are happy with the current state of graal then so be it. I'm really getting tired of writing essays trying to change the game. Might as well accept that iclassic will always be the way it is. (don't know about iera since I've barely played it).

So you're saying admins should stop making events and having fun with other players and just get serious on the game, boasting content regardless if its free or not, players will complain about it because the update is not exactly what they asked for?

Seriously, get the hell out..

iClassic doesn't hire straight serious or self-content staff. If PiX is one of them, stop requesting to add him.

Admins took a more "acceptable" approach.. When they only fired staff due to non-serious business, the game's population was an all time low. Lollipop, Muse, Regret, Slim and all such were fired because of this. I think its best that the game stays where it is now, because if we get admins to be on serious business, we're going to see alot of trouble within the staff team and in-game.

business*

Best part of the thread, feedback on this nao pl0x.

Lol wow. I dont even know if I just grace such idiocy with a reply. The funniest of it all is you think your such hot ****.

Lol I'm actually not saying that at all. I'm saying that they should take their job seriously and understand the fact that there's 1000+ people out there that would love to have it so they shouldn't abuse powers. The staff on other servers don't need to do all the **** that goes on here. They'd get fired if they did. Why is iclassic an exception? They should Definitly still have fun however with the community as a whole. As in stop running around with only your friends, and just chill with the community as a whole. This is a mix of work and pleasure because you can answer questions, and just chill with fellow graalians.

Should they stop boasting content? Yeah, because it always ends in disappointment. People always run around talking about possible quests because of new NPCs which were added but nope. In fact I believe you made a topic on this wondering why they're teasing people do much.

Admins should still make fun events but should mix it up from hide n seek.

And with PiX he sent an application in requesting a position, talking about his past server experience, etc and it was completely ignored. They didn't test him, then decide he's not good enough, they completely ignored him. Still think its okay?

The rest just makes no sense what so ever. First of all, lollipop quit and she was one of the best staff members we ever had. Why? Because she was in constant contact with the community, and not just her friends, everyone. She quit because she didn't like the direction the server was going. Slim was fired for straight up abuse and it was long deserved. I'm not sure about tw situation with regret and muse, but muse was also very good, and her graphics were amazing. Also in contact with the community.

Second, If you say that the staff members were fired because of non-serious buissiness then why do you not what serious buissiness?

Yes if the staff start taking their jobs seriously there will be huge problems. Because that makes sense.

Godzilla, you are being very disrespectful. Who are you to tell these Oldbies how a Graal server should be run?

You don't know all the work it would take to get the things you whine about.

lrn2debate

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Saying im such hot **** doesn't make you look any better.. or your reputation any higher..

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How many times did admins kept repeating it?
And whenever they chill with the community, its content-begging noobs who ask for ownership of admin powers, hats, or something content-worthy. Theres only like one or two people out of that crowd that goes "Sup. Hows it goin?".. The rest are content-beggers, so don't blame admins on why they teleport to a different section of the town.

The only time they could chill is on top of battle arena, top of the church, and in clubs. They can't go anywhere else because players think its a better solution to ask for it rather than being patient..

Yes but then a few admins have told me several reasons why it was removed and such.

The marriage chapel was accidentally placed on the main server instead of the dev server.. Because they were still working on it..

The Golden gate is removed because it was a direct ripped off port of the PC version and is being replaced with a new golden gate sprite

The only one that feels teased right now is the quest... Because its July and that quest was tossed into the shelves for a long time... Probably, ill hope to see it by 2012

But back to your argument: They make content for the game.. Because even daily content value gets tiring in less than a day.. And they should stop making content and go against the 100+ people (basically everyone) who asks/suggests/begs for more content to make the game actually more interesting than it was before? You just want Graal classic to stay as is right now for the rest of the game? Think of this question: Do you know how many players would get f**kin pissed if admins stopped making content for at least 2 weeks? Trust me... You do not know the emails/fanbase they get asking for content...

Its an online game... Not adding more content is probably the stupidest suggestion for a online game... Because people want more out of Graal Classic.. And so far, the admins are doing a very good job at it. Just be patient you prick!

Theres guild spar tournaments, opening of clubs, and treasure hunt events other than hide n seek. Where the hell are you looking at right now?

I don't follow this guide but since it came from an admin who said this directly from his view, i posted it for your attention

Some actually got fired in the past because of personal issues (school,etc.) but for now, its all good

The only serious thing they should worry about is just the server working as is. For now, the content and events they're making is good. They can do any updates they like at the moment and im liking the direction the game is going in at this point because it fixed all the previous crud from 2010-mid 2011

For now, we don't need to do anything. The game is going perfectly smooth as planned, the events/updates are good and packing in content, and the admins are being hired/working properly.

We have good staff so idk wtf you and your so called friends/players are saying about them. Its changed.. We don't have any more abusive admins.

Im sure if PiX gets hired, you'll start saying "PiX Good staff! Hes greatest staff member of all time".

All im hearing is you whining for a better staff team, better events, and better overall experience... Which is complete garbage to my ears..

Again.. Just another content-begger..

If people who have been playing Graal for two-ish years are oldbies, then I'm ****ing ancient.

@maikeru
Like I said they've never made a serious attempt to stop this. If they turn off their gold names everything would probably go swimmingly.

Email is in many cases too slow. It could take hours to get a response and if you have a few follow up questions even longer.

There's still teasing with the cat, and the golden slime dude.

I never said they should stop developing they should be developing more. I really don't know where your getting this from. Sounds like your just making **** up.

Good thats what I want more of. Hide n seek is overused

The guide is for a GP and Uploader position not a scripting position. And if you have to follow that stupid guide to get hired then the server has truely gone down the ****ter. I dot see why the both of you did that guide, if someone needs it to get hired they shouldn't get hired.

The recent updates are mostly Rufus and fp4. It's better than last year I guess even though I wasn't here for most of it.

And no abusive admins is a pretty big statement to make amigo. And while it might not be abuse here some of the stuff they do would be unacceptable on other servers. My guess is there's still abuse just more behind the scenes.

That isn't teasing... The cat is just as blatant as it is. It's stuck in a tree. As for the golden slime, it might be foreshadowing an upcoming quest. Who knows? You can't make stupid claims and say they're throwing it in there just to get our hopes up.

That is not what the topic is originally about. I am complaining about the effort shown by admins towards their respective jobs, not the numbers of GPs but lowering the numbers to a few dedicated ones. Sure it is good to introduce events, but that is not what I consider the admins useless for.