Half the guilds on classic use that system. I would love to hear you say that in front NAL, CoM,HK, and ZC and much more.

Is that a dare?

US is supposed to only be for elitist nutcases.

I challenge you to a... KNIFE FIGHT! chorus:Knife fight gonna fight for your lives! (repeat chorus) I'll watch you bleed! Right after I shank you! Knife Fight gonna fight for your Lllliiiivvvveeeessss! (lives) Hey wait a minute here! Oh what is it? Knifes are dangerous someone could get hurt!. ._. Hurt? I don't want to get hurt. Who does? Well in that case lets have a TICKLE FIGHT!!! backround: It a tickle fight not a pickle fight no a knife fight YEAH.

Lmao ^ what was the point to all that

Ps actually did have subs, they just didn't have 5. when droo was leader we had 2 or 3. when droo gave the guild and it started switching amongst a bunch of people they got 5 subs.

Why is this discussion still going on?

I don't see a problem with it it is on topic.

only guild that reached 1k without any subs or without kicking and recruiting... was nobody. not yet atleast

If I'm correct, PULSE was probably the closest.

They noob recruited like no tomorrow.Watchu talkin' bout willis?

But they also had no subs for the best part of 2000 hours and had an incredibly strong backbone of mature, permanant, loyal members. Recruiting temps is how you hold forts. They're expendable.

Yes,We're talking about if there was ever a guild to have never noob recruited and just used the people they had.The only back bone they had and why they were so successful in tower taking were because of the noobs they recruited who asked to be recruited and then kicked right when they went offline.That's not something to be proud of tbh that's something to be ashamed of resulting to it is just pathetic.

pulse had 5 sub guilds lol

Most guilds do this with 1k plus tower hours, its quite efficient as people have different time zones. I don't see the problem with it, if it works then good for them. Plus I'm pretty sure the people who get kicked when offline aren't heartbroken when they find out, in fact they probably expect it.

If you want to get 1k hours with no temps and waste 5 years of your life then go for it, i would recruit temps, it doesn't show weakness at all. In fact if you are a tower guild and don't recruit temps you are not using your resources. Lastly about the guild loyalty, there are two options. Make a it so you can only join one guild, and if you leave you cannot join another guild for a week. This would stop guild hopping alltogether. If that's a bit to extreme then just make the ability to join 2-3 guilds, but keep the 1 week affect, if you keep that no matter which route you take you will not have guild hoppers and if you do only a few.

Alternatively, guild leaders could start employing standards. That requires no staff input.

What kind of standards?

No multiguilding.

Agreed with all of this. On fb server, 85% of those people who are experienced, just join one guild from the next to get 1k hats. Most of the people who were in Certified before they went 1k went to Tandoku. Tandoku's gonna get 1k next week (no sh*t) and then most of the members are going to make Trill dominant and then who knows what guild they'll join next for a 1k hat? It's annoying....
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Kinda off subject but oh well. There are ALMOST no real guilds on fb server. There's a few.

EDIT: To get on subject, i'm just gonna say a couple guilds that did pretty well with no or almost none subs.
RiCE KiNGS
Pandemonium
iBall
zZ FATAL Zz (I think they had like 2 subs when they were on iPhone server)
NkA
Nerv Guild War

Just to name a few.

also, idgaf about towers tbh if you want to waiste your time for a hat by recruiting noobs or making sub guilds go ahead,be abusive.
anothet reason this was started is because people should make spar guilds like US and be loyal to them all the time... instead of making "super teams" 3 weeks before gst and occasionally practing. because your super team proves nothing to anybody if your going to go off tag right aftet gst.

If only you could spell or punctuate properly. :(

if only you were mature :(
sorry
need to rush through typing... due to having other things to do than correcting a ipod games' faults.

This argument is a prefect display of maturity.

It takes about 12 seconds to skim through a post and edit the typos. You shouldn't even have that many typos in the first place.

i dont edit i just type and send when i busy. sorry mr perfect

why are we talking about typing? this is a thread about guilds.

Fixed.

Lol , I wanted to post about CXE, Voyage, HK, and CJ all based off of loyal members, but still using subguilds.. But now you guys are talking about English :S.

ikr

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They had over 1000 hours before that.

Yes off of recruiting random people I knew this because I used to be friends with Rouge a long time ago.It's one of the reasons why the whole rivalry thing started with PULSE and Ventrue.

true i wish classic would be like when we didnt have guilds that was loyalty i remember changing my name and stuff and it was loyalty allright but ppl are just being wierd now joining others and stuff

Yeah before guilds if you left one for another basically everyone in the guild you left would come after you lol. It was a big deal. Now no one really cares.

when i was in pulse they had subguilds. i was in pulse from 300-700. 3 subguilds, they just didt kik snd recruit, you had to earn your way into main

lol. dude pulse had 5 sub guilds,they abused ally system (so is every 1k tower guild)

Wait, your thread is about "Guild Loyalty" - If a guild has 5 subs filled with 100% loyal members, is it a problem?

not really. but 5 subs of people who go off tag, and if they still recruit temps then yes. the point is that guilds should recruit loyal members, and that members should only be loyal to one guild.

Temps are a way to get loyal members. :rolleyes:

When I was in OG Cruxis, we got most of our good members via temps.

temps are usually just a way to get as many people at your tower at once. people who arent your loyal guild members shouldnt be helping at your tower. instead recruit people on a trial basis. have them recruited, and for the next week theyre watched closely by the leaders to see if their active, if they're respectful, etc. at the end they decide if the member can stay or not. of course the member shouldnt know he's on trial or that would ruin the whole point of it. next time someone comes by asking to help, you should tell them that they can help off tag if they want to but you dont recruit temps. then see if they help anyway, and then ask them if they want to join the actual guild as a member, but they have to be active and help, and put them through the trial period.

Or you could not tell other people how to run their guilds? :dazed:

Lol, I still barely understand why this thread exists.

lol how is that ruining a guild? it makes sure your members are in it for the long haul. that they actually want to be in your guild. the fact that your guild absolutly NEEDS temps in order to succeed really says something about the guild doesn't it. even after having 4-5 sub guilds mostly full of members. zanza got to where it is without recruiting temps. why cant you?

First off i said run not ruin. Second, Zanza is a guild that was basically endorsed by Graal back in the day, you can't expect a common player to start a new guild and have tons of people lining up to join. I'm also not taking this personally considering I'm not the leader of the guild i'm in, I'm speaking for people trying to start their own. For an average guild trying to get loyal members, recruiting temps is a perfect technique. Stop trying to tell people how to run their guilds. :P

look up your history on graal PC guilds how they are/were organized, they laugh at the sight of temps subs guilds and 1k hour fort guilds.

I'm not trying to tell people how to run their guild I'm simply suggesting different routes than temps. A guild should be loyal members not a bunch of temps. Of your just starting out you should probably be recruiting friends who will recruit their friends, and so on. Recruiting random people to a guild isn't going to make you the next big thing. I'm more talking about the guilds who already have members and such. And even then if your starting out you should be recruiting for loyal members. So when someone comes in and asks to join you recruit them, tell them to stay loyal, and put them on trial. People starting their own guild should really be recruiting friends and looking for perms. Temps are people who you recruit to help them kick when they offline. You shouldn't do that. You should keep them in and see if they stay loyal.

Zanza is an admin guild. People want to join it. So they have more members and still take longer to reach 1k than many other guilds.

How does Zanza not abuse the ally system, and yet every other guild does?

re read what i posted first, those are the legit guilds.(Knoble US Ventrue charm)

Is Zanza a "legit" guild?