The choice isn't even up to her. What are you on?

Then you should understand that I take pride in the work I make. I even show it off in my house. Having someone screw around with it might not bother me, but that would depend on what they change, and if they do a good job or not.

It's also kind of a pain like Coco said to have to re-upload something.

I made some GFX on iZone and although I never got into it hardcore, I completely understand not wanting players editing their hats. Basically as yog (yogurt?? <3) said, it depends on what's edited and how well it's done, and that could change each time. I would still say you shouldn't be allowed to edit the hat. If you had the staff member do the edits, it would just cause difficulty with giving directions, seeing the changes, then saying "no I want this to be this way instead" and so on. No need.

At least make hats that don't look like a 4.5k hat fresh from castle hat shop.

Only good recent hats were probably deity kitty hat and yami rebellious hat.

Custom 1k hats are already very time consuming and players do message admins repeatedly asking when it will be uploaded, was it reviewed yet etc. Similarly, although it's just a minor edit, players are very likely to wait for a day or so then start asking why their hat isn't uploaded yet. There are different time zones and everyone has a life outside the game. The gfx admins aren't online 24/7 to attend to your needs and wants so overall, just my opinion, hat edits shouldn't be allowed.

Leah isnt in charge of that stuff, and far from getting fired lol.

I'm sure 90% of People who actually won a GST hat would be happy to wait a week or so if there allowed to get there hat minor edited to what they wanted, I know I sure would for both of my hats.

Tell it to 'em liv

That's not exactly what they're saying, though. Everyone is happy to wait a week to get their 1k hat uploaded, but people still spam every hour on the hour asking about their hat. I'm not defending that reason behind not allowing edits, although I still don't think edits are a great idea. It depends I guess. But I'm just explaining what was actually meant behind the reasoning for people spamming admins for their hat.

Can we fire Leah and Fulgore from admins and Colin from forum mod...maybe then the gs hats might be fixed...There is definitely a clear correlation between the two.

Also I deeply agree with PigParty everything he has said makes sense...he makes great ans solid points backed up with solid evidence...I hope PigParty continues posting his ideas on the matter because I for one think they're truly amazing and deeply make me understand why edits aren't allowed.

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Sorry to get off topic but, personally I think Colin is a great moderator, more or less. Sure sometimes we may be angered when he deletes our threads or posts, but not everyone is perfect. His judgement overall isn't really that bad, and he does the job often instead of occasionally. I'm sure s lot of you might recall the influx of try hard trolls/spammers signing up to the forums and constantly ****posting (ex: paceman)

A lot of times his actions are justified, even if we feel otherwise at the moment. Perhaps if he were a bit more lenient with what he deleted and allowed some things to go on for a little longer it people would hate on him a little less. I mean lets be completely honest, who doesn't enjoy the occasional flamewar once in a while? :P

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Please don't drag actual politics onto Graalians (or in the off topic chat).

If you guys think Graalians moderation is strict then you haven't used many other forums.

To steer more off topic than you already did after it already was prior, that had nothing to do with actual politics. That's just the most well-known slogan. I didn't mention politics at all, unlike you. And to bring this back to topic: GST hats being edited is a mess. If that were to happen, they might as well let you make your own hat as the prize, and that also shouldn't happen (and I believe someone said it also won't?).

Agreed...what kind of stupid idea would it be to have people choose hats they like to be uploaded instead of hats given to them by staff...PigParty I don't know why everyone disagreed with you in this thread...you shoot straight facts man.

Once again I'd like to come back to my earlier point...the GST hats problem are because of Leah and Fulgore whom are both admins and also Colin...These 3 are the masterminds behind the bad gst hats...so take it up with them everyone.

For hopes sake, you guys know kuz is trolling... right.

When the polls are 50/50 and majority who voted no are admins with the exception of Rufus in the yes column.

I'm a tell you what my problem is with these type of responses.

A lot of people like me see you (don't know you outside of graalians) as an irrelevant player that probably spent most of his time brownnosing his way up the food chain for a staff position. I get it, you might think you're important and feel that you're in a position to tell players to suck it up or stop playing. I can easily tell you that if you don't have enough time to volunteer in graal you should leave your position, but that's not the point.


What most of you non-competitive(aka the noobs that never left the burger joint phase) players don't understand is that players that bring stuff up do it because they want to make the server better. If you don't agree with the idea say why and leave it at that. No need for take it or leave it responses. The end goal is to improve the game play experience and not having a pissing contest between staff and players.



OT: I feel edits should only be done to fix hats, but don't see why 1st place winners couldn't have the privilege of uploading their own hat. All classic staff has to do is watch the spar arena to see what type of hats players like for inspiration.

I'm not telling anyone to stop playing. I'm the one busting my ass off to get 2 GST hats done in just one day only to have every player **** all over them :)

I'm telling them that being entitled to an opinion is totally fine, but an opinion is an opinion.

I don't even get the point of you guys wanting custom hats for GST. You say you don't want to tower because you won't receive as good as a reward, but you're wanting the exact same reward.

no one says that

Then why can't you just tower for your custom hats?

Yo u should quit if u can't handle the pressure of creating 2 gst hats every 3 months lol

Why not make better quality hats in advance, or maybe Elizabeth can do it she's amazing and her hats are creative and cool

Why would somebody want to idle in a tower for 1000 hours?


Edit: Why would anybody want to idle in a tower for 1000 hours?

Yog, you are missing the entire point.

I'll just leave this here:

I rarely reference Goten as the voice of rationality and practical solutions, but he's 100% right in this case. Making a few quality hats for the (I'll say it again) hardest thing to achieve in this game should not be this difficult for GFX admins.

It's basically the general consensus in the spar community that GST hats are pretty bad most of the time.
The easiest and best solution to this problem is to let first place upload whatever hat they want.
Not every skilled player on this game has a thousand hours to spend defending a tower.

Id support this if it wasnt the same guild winning the GST ~90% of the time. The fact is Alumni are pretty much the unbeatables, and if this was implemented Thallen could quite easily whip up the best team there is and there we go, they have a ticket to whatever hat they want every 3 months.

Not knocking the guild or Thallen, the tier of skill within that guild they deserve every reward they get, but the fact its 1 guild winning most GSTs doesn't seem worth it, and I feel like if this was implemented, the majority of 'the best' would float towards Alumni for the sake of a free hat rather than spread into their own guilds.

Towering is longer and way less skill based, but at least its accessible by everyone.

Tbh I'd be down to just scrap the hats all together or put them in the mystery boxes/shelves for players that make it past round 1 and the winners get the belts, from what I see none of the winners really wear the hats, and its the same ones that win so they just end up forming a collection. The winners get to be on those statues/have their names in a book in the library.

Gonna just go right ahead and call you out on a few things old buddy old pal...Alumni are close to their quitting point of 12 wins, Now is the perfect time to implement this kind of reward because this tournament held once every 3 months is quite literally the only skill based event that happens to take place on this server and the rewards? Are literal garbage! How is it fair that a guild that has proven themselves as THE BEST of THE BEST get a hat thats literally head1.png slapped onto a template and uploaded as a reward hat...

These gfx staff have gone beyond a joke lmao Leah was once a nice person who'd do anyone a favor if it was reasonable and has turned herself and this joke of a staff team into some kind of disgusting crap that does nothing but complain about all the effort needed to make these hats. If you can't handle the pressure then why the **** did you apply for the position

"None of the winners wear the hats"
There is a pretty obvious reason for this Admiral and the reason is all of them are terrible and are not suited for the activity people call "Sparring".

Why would I wear the giant bird head I received the GST before this one and spar with it? its gigantic and annoying.

Are you ****ing ******ed, If I wanted that sword I can upload it any time I want. I'm in strong contention to win a hat pretty much every gst since I placed 2nd and I can tell you right now people like me, Thallen, David, Dae, Goten and Fulgore should be the ones talking about the prize they want.

You will never place, never win a gst, never own the belt and lets be honest you are a zone staff member posting a zone sword on an iclassic thread about prizes for a tournament that has nothing to do with iZone
In other words you aren't relevant at all to this thread or to iClassic in general, Leading a guild to 1k on the facebook server is different to leading a guild on the REAL server you ****ing ******. As far as I'm concerned you've never achieved anything.

Agreed

We aren't unbeatable
Thallen can't "whip up" a winning team, more goes into it than just that
Sparring and Guild Sparring is accessible to everyone
I'm positive Thallen doesn't recruit people that "float" to Alumni
We deserve a lasting, tangible reward

Some people think there is absolutely 0 effort put into winning a GST when you're in Alumni and that just isn't true.
We don't deserve a good reward because we're good at sparring? That's a first.
Like Red said, we're very close to retiring so I have very little to gain from this personally, I just feel like the prize should reflect the difficulty of the achievement.

Because its no fun? Are you kidding me Yog I thought you were a lot smarter then this. 1k's take no skill based activity and 10 times out of 10 end up with a guild holding sards or deadwood to 1k trucing every guild on the map and being pked once or twice every 3 hours by 2 people while they have 14+ people on.

A GST is held once every 3 months and takes actual skill to participate and be successful in, The reward is a disgrace. A terrible hat that does not even match the theme for a tournament based on the concept of combat.

This graphics team is some kind of sick joke lmao its not hard to pump out 6 hats in a week spilt between 10+ people and yami, We'll never see GOOD hats because anyone who does make good graphics has 1 stupid ban or warning for something small and once XOR sees that their application isn't even looked at any further.

The system used to recruit these staff members is flawed so badly they listen to community feedback agree to improve upon things and manage to make **** worse.

Precisely, these staff members have never won a gst and have no clue as to how hard it is to even make it past round 1 for some people and their guilds.

Most of these guys have never even sparred or stepped outside of graal bank or battle arena lobby I can guarantee you that.

Lol. As far as I'm concerned, you're a pissed, emotional child who didn't use any thought when making your post. I played Classic for years. I participated in many GSTs myself. I led multiple guilds on FB Server and multiple guilds on iPhone server. Instead of acting like a 7 year old brat, try acting like you have a brain and dignity in your posts. You obviously are clueless about me, yet want to think you know it all. Sorry to tell ya, but you don't. I couldn't care less if you disagree with my opinion, but you're obviously very emotional that you stooped as low as you did because you disliked my opinion. As I said before, if you can upload that sword on iClassc (or any sword similar to that) I'll admit I'm wrong. The truth is you can't. Swords are limited to a small template that can't go that high. You also can't equip them, so they're only seen when you actually slash. Get over yourself child. I do know what I'm talking about, and that's actually the reason you're probably so pissed, since you have no good reasoning to counter mine. I look at each idea from a player and a staff position now, and while from a player perspective it's a good idea, but it's also a good idea to add 100k gralats to everyone from a player perspective. From a staff perspective, this isn't the best idea.

Or why can't you make a hat that doesn't look like **** since you were hired to make hats and stuff for this server...

If it's too hard to handle to make a hat that doesn't look like a pile of ****** then why not allow edits or GST have their own hats uploaded...Simple...there's nothing to argue.

Thx for the reasonable responses @red + David, i was expecting whoever to be like yo u know nothing about sparring ur bad gtfo so +rep for providing an argument

@David and Red

I wanna watch what I say here because some of it may not be right or accurate, but most of it is just my opinion/what I assume.

Yeah fair enough, again nothing against Thallen or the whole guild because I know that Alumni isn't a guild that just bundles a team together, they're actually a proper guild.

Maybe it's a good thing here I don't spar because I see it from a different perspective, and the fact is the current 'meta' for lack of a better word is that Alumni win constantly, and if not, most of the time they do most of the time anyway.

It's completely unfair to you guys to say 'It will only be considered if you guys retire' whether you do or not thats up to you guys and not for the sake of this. Though I assume if you do it's been planned for a long time anyway.

I feel like if its not an anbu mask or wings, the hat sucks. Maybe i'm wrong, but honestly I don't see that mentality changing because its been that way for so long, so I'd be more inclined to scrap the hats as rewards or rather, just have them in the mystery gifts, and have a more 'appropriate reward' for the winners (trophy furniture + belt gani?)

I suppose there's nobody to blame except the team for the quality, though from a graphics standpoint most of them can be considered well made. Again it's down to taste though, and clearly the taste isn't good for you guys. I believe we once tried down to go down the 'easy' route and make things that were preferred, but it wasn't allowed, which is why the team always try and make something new.

Soz for the wall of text, like I said most of it is just my opinion and I am by no means the 'spokesperson' of the graphics team, it is just mainly my opinion. I'm sure others on the team have different opinions, and if they want they can reply with theirs. But ya I feel like we're just going in circles with this, every GST the same thread gets made and we always say no worries, we'll try harder next time/bring something new, but it clearly doesn't work.

This red kids real mad lol. "****"

I voted no because I don't like the idea of 6 guilds a season editing the hats they receive. However, Fp4 or Leah should allow Alumni to edit their next hat if they win mixed. x (6?) wins in a row deserves such a minimal and effortless request

man we gotta add trigger warnings anytime "gst" is brought up

Yeah, it's because everytime any of us saw you in GST threads you actually were taking all the criticisms on board and wanted to provide good hats for the spar community, unfortunately all the other admins just like to provide excuses that are just ******ed or just straight up ignore us...


Side note: Anyone realise one of the best gst hats in recent times was from Yami...someone who actually cares about sparring and gst...We need more people like that making the gst hats...but the admins most likely won't hire them hence why the only solution is to allow guilds to upload their own hats.

Lol ok pigparty first of all no one asked for you to post a picture of a sword no one wants as a prize here, it's an iZone thing.
We aren't saying anything about uploading that stupid looking sword we are saying its a silly idea for a prize, you don't know what you are typing lol you can't even make a paragraph its just a wall of text that's the same repeated crap.

I'm not "pissed off" at all I just enjoy triggering ego maniacs like yourself and proving them wrong.

I've also played this game for years...your point? Precisely there is no point it's just a statement every autistic neckbeard scratching katana collecting nerd like yourself brings up.

I can safely say your ego is bigger then the walls of text and hypocrisy you produce.
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Lol ok dark

No problem.
If you want this issue solved make Leah get a forum account or use the one she owns if she happens to own one. Get her to read some of the suggestions because I'm sure it's quite clear her involvement plays a big part in what goes in terms of gst hats.

I don't understand how hard it can be for staff to make 6 hats 1 month before the tournament, the reality is it isn't and it's just an excuse for these Noobs to spend time afk in the battle arena, if you can't handle the pressure don't apply for the position it's as easy as that. There is no excuse. "Why don't you apply and do it then" isn't a valid argument either because most of us have a ban history or 1 silly warning that immediately looks like **** on your application.

I have bans and resets on my account. I have no idea what you're talking about.

It's not that. I made 2 GST hats in one night because GST snuck up on us this time. But it's also the countless holiday shops and updates. It's more than just 2 GST hats. But you guys don't seem to understand my point. I'm not blaming you for this. CC and an opinion is completely fine, but some people like OG are really disrespectful.


So what I have so far is you want GST edits or a custom hat but don't want to tower, even though towering is easier than GST.

If the staff struggle to manage their time then...wouldn't it simply be easier to let us worry about our own hats...

I'm not against custom hats. Infact I think I would love custom hats. It would give us a lot more time to work on other updates. But you guys also don't seem to understand that things like this aren't up to anyone in the graphics team including Leah.

Can we just stick with our current system that we didnt really have a problem with until now rather than arguing about the whole situation? We could also get a poll area in the battle arena to post hat ideas people have wanted for gst rather than doing all this and not getting anywhere. Both ideas are great, not taking sides, but this seems like a more reasonable thing to do.

I expect GST hats to be categorized like Christmas (Cool/Tough/Smart) and don't the hats go through a judgement period before being uploaded to the server?

I strongly feel that the incentive for GST wins needs to be improved upon. I enjoy artwork and appreciate the time that goes in the hat making but frankly most seem irrelevant to the event of "Guild Spar Tournament".

At a minimum allow minor edits.

I vote a yes 100%.

This exactly. And @ that dude who keeps raging hardcore at me: get over yourself. I gave my opinion, didn't attack anyone, and then you name call because you're pissed off. You can be in denial, I don't care if you admit you're pissed lol. I <3 Livid. +rep.

Update: must spread rep :( I'll rep u l8er bby.

I have like 10+ bans tho

That's me LOL

This sounds good

How did GST sneak up on you exactly? I think everyone knew when it was going to happen, it's always the last saturday 3 months away from the last GST. (May 28 is the next one most likely). I realize there are many other things you guys had to do in that 3 month span like Nexus which was nicely done but I mean why did you wait until really late and spend 1 night making 2 hats for what David says, "the hardest thing to achieve in this game"? the reward obviously deserves more time and revision instead of 1 night when you feel rushed.

I just make the graphics when I'm told to.

ok, so who told you to make them so late. terrible managing on their part

I probably have like 8-10 bans max, but my reputation is horrible lmao

I'm pretty douchebaggy and rude sometimes, especially when I'm joking around (most people don't know I'm joking on here though)

But there's also the people who spread lies to try and slander me :)))))

Again, I have no problem making the hats. I was the one who offered to make 2 hats since we didn't have enough. Why I said I had made 2 hats in one night was because of GOAT telling me I'm irrelevant.

You people are mistaken, bans have no effect on GFX but they do have for GP (depends on how many and how severe they are).

lmao @ the poll results.
yes: accomplished sparrers with GST hats.
no: roleplaying kids who will never win a GST hat in their life. why are you even voting?

not only should we be able to edit a GST hat, we should be able to submit an entirely new hat. there are way too many custom tower hats to count, which takes less than 3 months to complete unless you're bad, and towering doesn't even take skill (sorry!). we wait for 3 months to compete with the best players in the game, and then have to choose from 3 predesigned insanely ugly throwaway hats (yes offense btw)? i don't see how this makes any sense at all. reward 25 players who sit AFK at towers spamming ":3" in guildchat with creative freedom, but reward the top players in the game with some disgusting cat/noob head/whatever idiotic idea they spew out next?

unnecessary side note: the whole froot guild is filled with weirdos