Maybe Graal should do what Runescape does and add some servers?

ya.

Graal hez dem fenci potaato rout3r w3th m3th, dr00gs and p31c3 of crep laaaik t00m4t0..

Think for a minute. You are comparing Graal...to Runescape....

This is Graal we're talking about. There isn't exactly much to be put into a server. It isn't the same.

Runescape is a bigger game, Graal can absorb good idea from other games to improve it. Responding to Distorted's quote: yes having multiple server is not a bad idea. If we do this towers should be shared by server 1 & 2. Same thing with Spar. Battle Arena should be shared by both servers. It would be the only place where both server come across and meet each other in a single level.

But this would not happen, if they wanted it already did.
+ we are off topic, but yea it will get rid of some laggers.

Pay no attention to Rezon #2, he only knows what he hears the old man say. :D

sorry to re-bump this, but I'm now 100% sure of what this Jigsaw girl is doing, and it's probably worth sharing so you guys know what to say when you report her

every time you see her spar, you'll notice an alternate account is also in the spar arena - this is her secondary account, on a secondary device

she uses one device to connect through an extremely laggy VPN (by my experience in spars with her, I'd estimate around 800-1200ms on average)
she spars on this account, and then she watches the screen on her secondary device (the alternate account) - this is what allows her to delay like hell, yet still spar very responsively as if she has no delay at all, somehow knowing exactly where you are

I know pretty well how delay works and how to spar against it, but I was pretty confused when I sparred her a few weeks ago and saw how her delay behaved - assumed she was hacking in some way
this is definitely what she has been doing though, this is the 3rd or 4th time I've noticed random noob accounts following her around and "watching" her spar

I'll record proof if I see it again, but I doubt she'll do it around me and I know she reads these forums
some bits of proof in spoiler tag below

That player was paused tho. The visual glitch for pause is rare.
Plus next time you record, can you do a voice over so i know whats going on?

Not exactly...
Detecting VPNs is possible.

While we are on the topic, I'm sure most of you know who MisaChan is on here and it turns out she actually has pretty good spar stats (her IGN is Teemo)

However, when I sparred against her and saw her spar I noticed she was moving nearly double the speed of the average player and when I asked how she said she overclocked her PC. I don't really know much about it but I am pretty sure overclocking would not give you that much of a speed boost.

VPN detection is probably something too advanced for Graal servers (can't really see them implementing it as if they planned to they probably would have done it by now)

my friend David was running on a desktop with CPU and GPU both overclocked when Facebook first came to iClassic, and when he would play on Internet Explorer (no other browser) he would be insanely fast

he was banned for speed hacking for it, then they ended up revising their speed hacking detection and somewhere along the line he ended up never having that same problem again - I don't know exactly what was changed

I'm overclocked right now and I am the standard speed so I'm about 99.9% sure that issue doesn't exist anymore, so anyone using that excuse is probably BSing hard

a lot of people pull out the "I'm on an Alienware PC" excuse to justify speed hacking

there are public repositories that dump hundreds of thousands of known VPN IPs, but it's hard to stay updated with those and banning them could show some complications

if Graal ever really wanted to take on VPN usage (which I'm sure they don't, since it isn't some huge issue), they would geolocate and timestamp the IP that accesses your account - if an IP from the United States accesses your account in the same hour as an IP from China, then that's obviously a red flag and clear sign of someone doing something they probably shouldn't be

that's why, in some other thread, I was trying to suggest that profile flags remain locked to your current IP geolocation - it wouldn't prevent people from using VPNs, but at least they'd be publicly shamed and pointed out if they were doing it in spars or towers

admins gave up reading this thread. If u go to page 6, those posts are very irrelevant to the topic, none of moderators bother to read & delete it.

if jigsaw gets banned, ill give all da crdits to sarah. so mbk STFU F*G MTRF
ye

bump, just a side note:
I sparred sarah few days ago, measured her delay, her delay was less than <.1-.2s. she was definitely hittable and I made her to .5 on the second try. On the other hand Jigsaw decides to stick with side room sparring and her record is 491-37 (comparing to the video). How does she get 37 losses? 90% of the time she got warped/lagged out. (rofl)

MBK im bored, u shuld come bak & play wit me agein plz

finally sent in a pretty lengthy support ticket about this today
was pretty polite to her, asked her multiple times to just stop doing it and she went on about how Graal is "just a passtime" for her and she "doesn't care"
but as I type this, she's in the Battle Arena sulking with 4 other people about how the game has treated her so unfairly

we'll see what staff decide to do
most pathetic part is that when (or if) she gets banned, somehow it will all be Sarah's fault and half of the sparring community will revolt against her for absolutely no reason

durrr, hate Sarah, she's the devil, Jigsaw did nothing wrong
good ol' iClassic

^-- you guys should have a talk with your leader.--v SAD


When people complaing about sarah it's bad(according to alumni leader), but when he cries about jigsaw it's ok.

He isn't crying over it, none of us are really.

However, Jigsaw is using two devices to purposely cheat and to people in the Spar community that is something none of us find acceptable and that is why we care about Jigsaw but do not mind if it happens from Sarah because Sarah can not do anything to fix it whereas Jigsaw can. (and in all honesty, Sarah doesn't even lag/delay a majority of the time)

GOAT, I am pretty sure you don't spar so it would be pointless to try and explain the situation to you because you just won't understand where we are coming from so it is best if you just stop trying to argue in every spar thread.

The VPN isn't the problem, it's the use of two devices at once to give an unfair advantage. Of all people to cry about any sort of delay, artificial or not, it wouldn't be Thallen, or anyone in Alumni for that matter. This is why you see us often agreeing on a subject such as this, because none of us complain when we lose to something aside from legitimate cheating (use of multiple devices at once, speedhacking, invincibility, health hack, etc).

This doesnt influence the mechanics of the game like everything you mentioned, so how is this cheating? If you "time her hits" or "adapt to her movement" like some of you have claimed, what she does on her side shouldnt matter.



I just explained it to fulgore, so please amuse with a good reply.

I'm pretty sure it's clear that if this can be done without consequence there are fundamental issues in Graal. The difference between this and doing something like VPN is the fact that VPN makes oneself lag, which is stupid and pointless, while using this coupled with it breaks the game. Any argument against that is just for the sake of arguing or attempting to troll me, because a 5 year old can see clearly that it 100% breaks the game.

Idk about all of you, but I have been wanting to spar her. I was beating her in facebook arena last time. I wonder how difficult she is now if she wasn't using this "double device" method. I really want to see for myself how tough she is :) I love sparring tough people. Especially the cheaters.

if she isn't using vpn, 80% sure she can't beat me.

Another technique for delay is connecting to a wifi connection with Netflix running on your pc, youtube streaming on your siblings phone and any other device you can get to run on the connection and use the same strategy this "Jigsaw" does. I didn't know this until recently (6-7 months ago). I connected to Graal using data service and as I was in one of the corner of my bedroom which gets nearly any service, I would delay really bad. My step brother happened to be playing on the wifi connection right next by me. As I observe his screen, my movement was delayed up to 2-3 seconds, sometimes more. I got to admit I did once used this method to win a couple of spar. But as it goes, it just gets really boring and pointless.

pretty sure she's banned because she made an alternate Kik account to send Sarah a paragraph of rage
good work to Zetectic for posting initial proof, other credits to Sarah

admins are usually pretty good at handling this stuff if you just write out a detailed ticket with some screenshots or other material as proof

This doesnt influence the mechanics of the game like everything you mentioned, so how is this cheating? If you "time her hits" or "adapt to her movement" like some of you have claimed, what she does on her side shouldnt matter.
^-- this what I call a shutdown statement. Why you ask? Because there's nothing you can honestly say that suggests otherwise(besides personal opinion for the sake of winning the argument).





So messing with your connection to the server is not cheating, but using another device to just view yourself sparring is cheating?


Let me explain why and how delay is used. I'm a give you the truth unlike your leader that tries to make it sound that his delayers are at a disadvantage. What do all known delayers have in common in regards to sparring strategy? "Defensive" sparring. Why does that matter? When you run backwards you're leaving your "delayed" hits behind for people to run into. That's why when you get hit by a delayer he's usually nowhere near you.

If you're a delayer and you go offense then I do agree you're at a disadvantage. You have to understand things in order to argue about them. BTW when was the last time you saw an offensive minded delayer? :P <--only troll so far.

Take Sarah for example, she's at such a disadvantage because she delays do to her location in the world that she chooses to spar on her 3G/4g network just to disadvantage herself even more.






If you "timed her hits" why would the "double device" method change anything? Even if she was using 2 devices, her strategy/delay wouldn't change. Still can't figure out how VPN is not cheating, but using the "double device" method is.


Btw I want to point out that the general reaction by the sparers to everything delayer related was: haters, cry babies, bad sparers, learn to beat them, and adapt to their delay. Funny because as soon as someone took their advice and figured out how to destroy their top delayer they all went in a frenzy. It got to the point that the old man had to cry to toonslab about jigsaw "cheating". Pretty hypocritical from a guy with a long history of cheating.(sorry if I used hypocritical in the wrong way. Just saw that cb from the Seahawks use it when he was trolling the nfl and the commissioner)



Note: I'm not condoning "VPN" usage just pointing out the hypocrisy regarding this situation. Stop crying, one girl got your guild looking like some busters.


Hi Sarah:love: sorry if you get cought in the line of fire, but trolling alumni STUDS is LOL



Happy Rufus? No f words yay me

Sparrer shuts down "think he is good" sparrer. Reports on forum to ban. This topic is hilarious.

"think he is good" <this part did u just made it up?
It is more like a court case where I have judge and public express their opinion.
This topic is serious, it's a whole thread of showing how 'one' is cheating and the other is not.
Double device sparring is a new term, where using a vpn device to spar and have another screen that's not laggy and know what she/he is doing.
Think before you speak, try before you write about it. If you were about to face Jigsaw, easy to say she can crush u to ground 3-0 in one minute. even if u do run, you still lose. Not even a close call.

Sad to SEE U running ur mouth like this is easy ***.
when u can't even beat me in the arena and leave after one loss.

I'm jigsaw's defense attorney and I proved that it's not cheating(using the 2nd device that is). I made a shutdown post that was followed with 15 deletions because that's how some posters ignore the hard questions(they change the subject to pointless bickering).


Jigsaw, babe, if you were really banned I would like to see the reason for the ban.

Stay banned on both devices Jigsaw. Let's not play a game.

Well, people always used to rage about me laggin and/or delaying; however I saw everything on my screen smoothly. Sometimes I even froze for other people whereas I could see everything and get even new guildmessages, however my hits didn't register at all.

I don't know why most of you guys are crying, not like facing laggers would be something new.

Your device is outdated for ios 8 Graal. I saw this happening to my friend while skyping him. He said everything was fine and was able to see what I say or do, but he was the only one froze on the screen.
It has to do with your ****ty uploading speed(internet speed) and device. rofl

If i want i can lag like c***, but if i go into the options and turn the effects and chat things off, I'm fine... some admin should just send this to her and if she doesn't change her options for less lag, give her a ban or something.... or threaten to reset her stats if she doesn't.

and story is sort of different now. When I made this thread, everyone start quitting cause of school and playercount was dropped to 2200 in day time. I was sparring some what active, it was easier to tell this girl wasn't like any other sparrers. I faced a lot of sparrers from South America, they always have that little natural lag.
Now server is laggy. I see people revive back up after the death in spar.

that's interesting

That doesn't fix upload lag to the server/ping most likely. Should only fix framerate for the individual player. Correct me if I'm wrong anyone out there (who knows what they're talking about).

Exactly.that should only effect the FPS not the whole uploading packet speed.

The server isn't lagging. You're only lagging because your crappy cheap internets can't handle the downloads of players customs on an area

That actually means that either ur device or ur internet router is crappy.It only affects YOUR FPS on ur device... not the whole packeting.

sorry, i forgot to mention i had minecraft and photoshop running in the background. Last comment is irrelevant.

I would tell you to ask Thallen, but he's too busy posting his erections on Youtube.

who?

So ur device was having a littoe load on it.thas all

Honestly think it might be an elongated troll at this point.

damnit, i was gonna show him my bill, internet speed test and graal ping lmao.

It was before the iOS8 has been released + I had a pretty New device. "rofl"

move on to pc, no freeze, no lag

I think this thread is becoming pointless... It's common sense to move to pc with less lag... what are you going to do about her wifi? nothing. Lets move on lol.

I still use Windows2000.

you know her wifi is fine irl right?

lolol