lol im asking thallen if youre lying because I agree with you :P

i wasnt calling you a liar :D

Actually ya anyone can join a guild that successfully holds towers so your point is invalid.


So sparring isn't a sparring activity?


Lets be honest, everything in Classic is about a hat.

But goat, have you ever agreed with anything Thallen said? (Million dollar question that makes or breaks my problem with you. If you can prove that you have at least 1 time, then I'll publicly apologize and concede. If not, well, it speaks for itself.)

couldn't you say the same thing about him agreeing with me?


I dont disagree with thallen because i dislike the guy. I usually do it because i dont have the same mentality that he does when it comes to certain topics. Or I just feel like messing with him because we been having pointless arguments since the pc thread and it doesnt take much to start an argument(i enjoy arguing for no reason in case you havent notice) with him because he takes graal too serious.


But to answer your million dollar question

I dont need you to apologize, just know that I dont have anything personal against the guy or anybody else on this forum. If i argue is because it amuses me or I feel I have a valid point/stance on whatever the issue might be.

I'll apologize anyway, as promised. You have proved me wrong. (See, I'm not just a child on these forums, I can admit to mistakes guys!!). Anyways, gonna try and get this back on topic.

Once again, I feel like it would be a good idea, even separate from the towers, also because the way the mechanic of spar getting time would be a little bit difficult. Although the core idea of another streak room for guild spar with some end reward would be heavily favored by me, with towers being included in the system or not.

oh ok bb

I agree with Chasee. Towers are fine; don't fix what isn't broken.

Also, I'm almost positive that any spar-related thread in the Future Improvements subforum formed by Thallen or any Alumni member will be met with shots at the guild and its members due to a preconceived idea that Alumni only craves superiority. That being said, towers are defended and attacked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. After the GST passes, the spar community becomes somewhat of a ghost town. The spar community is thirsty for ideas to correct this! It is difficult to propose an idea to an audience that has already decided to oppose you before you speak.

I know from observation, experience and word of mouth that other guilds are hunting for more spar-related activities. Whether this is the favored idea or not, I don't know. But let's try taking steps forward as a community rather than go through the same namecalling spiel over and over.

This isn't happening, and there are too many reasons why. Can we not make this such a long pointless thread?

o god, I (and 90% of other users) have been using this **** wrong for ages.

Most threads past 3 pages become pointless.

they are already pointless but people didn't notice

I don't understand why people think this will be easy for alumni, we've seen thallen lead a guild to 1k in a little over a month and how many times did voxel lose sards?, I'm pretty sure they can't g spar however many times required to get the pixel hat in a row.

All right, I have not posted on this thread in a while. I read most of the replies today. Let me ease your minds about what you think will happen if this system is implemented by answering your questions/statements.

Q: Will alumni hold the tower all day?
A: No. Have you heard of any other guilds like SLX, SNC, Memory, and a lot of other guilds that I can't remember at the moment (some are idevice teams that I don't pay attention to) have a high chance of beating alumni. I don't think I could be able to tower spar all day either way.

Q: Will this ruin the towering system?
A: No. This will just re-create the war room into a Guild Sparring Tower.

Q: How will this work, it makes no sense to me?
A: (personal idea) I think it should work like this: A Tower/dungeon should be created in the war room, one guild has to try to hold it by Guild Sparring other Guilds (5v5 like any other Guild Spar). If you lose you end up getting kicked out, and the next guild in queue will have a chance to take the tower or fall victim to the other guild holding the tower.

(Personal Ideas about the possible Guild Spar Tower System)

1. It should definitely have a dark-ish environment to it.

2. Not have chairs around for people waiting.

3. Should have a leader board.

4. Should be based off of wins, and not hours.

5. I would say 10,000 wins could be enough for a hat/item of some sort. It all depends on how many players would be participating, and if there is a lot of competition.

6. Why not just try it? I mean, a lot of guilds participate in gst thinking that they have no chance against try-hard guilds, yet they participate either way.

7. Your guild should have a certain number of wins in regular guild spar, before being able to participate. This way no weak teams will enter the tower until they have some skill.

8. I doubt Alumni will be able to hold the tower all day either way. I can't do GST every day, all day. I would get stressed out, it takes a super-human to tower all day.

9. I don't want this added for a free hat, I like competition, and regular towers don't satisfy me. Besides, the more content that is added to Graal, the better the game is.

10. That's all :)

You don't argue a point effectively. The community wants the best type of content developed instead of a bunch of random crap. Thats why we discuss things on here. Pulling the "any content is good" card is just about as stupid as it gets. With limited developers we want better ideas put into action, not this random one you are pushing because you dont like the current system

It isn't changing the whole system

lol mind blown


you should replace Xor as manager :D

I do like it, it just gets boring after a while. By new content, I meant things like events, more places to add to the map. Besides the current system won't change, you obviously did not read.

Was that a sarcastic comment? I would be a terrible manager. I wouldn't want to be at fault if anything goes wrong either.

sure

Lmao thallen or his guild can own u 24/7 lmfao
I guarantee thallen vs u 100-10 in series.

Btw this is good idea.

You obviously did not read my post. Just because it wont change the current system, it doesn't mean we want to support the *dwindling amount of* devs wasting their time on something silly like this instead of getting some real content out.

The argument "it won't change the current system so theres no reason to be against this" is just plain stupid

As long as they dont do it in normal towers like york and snow and everything else. The only thing i could disagree about is the who wins it changes the guild name. Would it be for the guild with the most win or just who wins each round. If it was who wins each round it would be changing very fast..but yes, I like the idea of it.

So is the argument "Alumni is doing this for their own good for a free hat." Not saying that you said this, I'm just saying (too many people have said it now). But to be fair, I think content like this is more useful for the dwindling amount of devs than adding clouds to the map. Just my opinion.

alumni is being used as the example because theres like 4 alumni members agreeing with the idea. The argument is that this would only benefit a small percentage of the community and make getting a hat much easier for those select few. If it was added today alumni would probably be the first to exploit this and then it would move on to the next guild once they got tired of doing it.



Someone suggested a better idea for GS. If a guild reached certain amount of wins they would give some type of reward. I think that would be a better way of encouraging people to GS.

If they can come up with a good way to reduce cheating and 5 "pros" vs 2 "noobs" matches it would be a nice addition to the GS community.

That's essentially what this is. The part of it being a "tower" so to speak isn't the main idea. I'm sure a guild spar reward system for wins, especially in a streak room, would be a great addition to the spar community (which isn't that small, it just disappears due to lack of activities, which this would fix)

The tower concept would make it a streak room and I dont think streak rooms are good for classic. I dont want to go full tryhard ****** just to beat a guild with crappy/bs connections. Also a streak room would greatly benefit all those tryhard guilds that been desperately recruiting for the purpose of the GST.



The current GS system is perfectly fine for a win-reward system. no need to make it streak rooms so some tryhards can hog them with their bs connections.

Nothing to really reply to that really. All opinions/insults so idk what to tell you.

So all the people with some towering skills get hats for getting to 1000 hours and gs people have to wait 6 months just to try to win a gst when towering people can get a hat in less than 4 months without skill. Thats unfair.:(

I'm not talking about me, just saying it's far more competitive than the current stand in a tower and collect a hat system, not that it's going to replace it mind, however I agree with 1 tower being used in this way.

The gst is every 3 months

I don't understand why you think you have to be rewarded a hat for every activity in Graal.

hey guys, just stop posting on this and it will go away unless some obsessive loser bumps it. quit arguing with ignorant walls. don't post, i mean, just look how quickly this thread died when i stopped posting earlier. then some obsessive loser pawn bumped it...
so quit the posts and we're good. let the losers talk to themselves.
done even reading this thread as no good will come out of it and a reply to this will just be filled with wild insane accusations that i honestly don't really care for right now.

when this works: you're welcome.

alumni is best guild ur dumb!!!

Who did I insult and those are not opinions, that's exactly what would happen. If you dont have anything to reply is because you understand thats the problem with "streak" rooms , but since you would be one of the benefited ones you dont "see" anything wrong with it.


Let me break it down, so you understand how streak rooms can be exploited. Im a use Rufus because his nuts attract a lot of people. Say Rufus decides to come back and GS for the rewards. He could easily get the "top" spares in the community and build his team. His pc team can streak one room and his idevice team can streak the other. His pc team would probably win 100 out of 100 and his idevice team would almost do the same unless they fight thallens "delayers" or "arab" laggers.


4 guilds get a hat in less than 4 hours of play time, so I dont see how's that worse than towers. If Fp4 changes the system, there would be 6 guilds getting a hat.


messing with the obsessive losers is the best part

The insult was "tryhards with bs connections."

I don't see how it's called an exploit if 5 good sparrers streak to 100. Nothing is being exploited. It's just 5 people spending time versus 5 sparrers who aren't as good. It would be an exploit if any plain guild can do this, which admittedly can happen, if there aren't good guilds on to stop it. So I do see how a streak room can be exploited, but I don't see it being as severe of a problem as it's made out to be.

Nice thread :)

Fulgore is a try hard fulgore is a try hard la la la

I-I didn't take it personally...but...am I rly tho?? :(

looooooool not on these forums at least *wink*

hehe, so true.

They would have to add a matchmaking process based upon wins, and losses. In this game you can't really define skill based on stats though :)

No one has a bs connection, there is always a way to beat any laggy/delaying sparrers. Not saying it is easy to do this, just have to practice. If a new system is added, you don't think a lot of people will try to be the best at it? Alumni isn't the only tryhard guild. The current gs system is boring and inactive after GST.

Rewards make a game better, you feel like you are achieving something great, not really, but it feels like you accomplished something, after investing time into what you get the reward from. Having rewards is better than not having anything at all.

I don't understand why you have to insult anyone on this thread, there is no need. Insulting others just because you disagree with their ideas on how to improve the game is pointless, it does not bring anything except pity.
Winners don't talk trash, they perform.

i dont see how a tower that is taken by winning a GS match or GS reward sytem with streak rooms are better than the 2 quoted ideas below in regards to improving the GS system.

I liked the idea a lot. Maybe the arena itself could be turned into a tower ( just add a flag on top of it) So the lower part would still countain the spar rooms and one extra room for GS and the winner of the match in that room should get the flag instantly.

I never said that my ideas are better than yours. Not sure where you got that from. I only want there to be a tower based on skill, and as an actual team. Would be fun, you might not like it, does not mean there should not be one. Alumni might me good at it, does not mean they will be the only ones holding the tower/room. Anyone can spar, anyone can become good at spar.

And yes, Winners don't talk trash, they perform. What about it?

1) Towering takes skill. Without towering skill you won't hold a tower.
2) Without a team you can't hold a tower.

Not at all, just sword spam the flag, take, sword spam/block doors. No skill required.

Tower Taking takes skill especially by the means of being skilled in leadership, management, and organization. Tell me when you have a successful tower taking guild that it didn't take any skill.

I have taken so many towers where the only reason I took them was because I had my skilled members on and we put together a strategy.

Defense takes skill too. York for example. Where you position your members and where you anticipate you will get the most traffic can be the difference between losing and holding

you quoted me and made it sound as if I was against improving GS. I dont have a problem with making a tower based on skill but I guarantee you this idea doesn't make it a skilled tower. How can it be called a skilled tower when all you do is GS. If you want a tower that requires skills it has to be done in the design of the tower, not by GSing.


Something with multiple entrances, multiple flags, wide doors, good spawn points.




Ali is the greatest winner and he talked a lot of trash. You can talk trash and perform at the same time.

Comet has been the most accomplished sparer in classic and no one cries and talks trash more than he does. Talking trash and crying has nothing to do with being a winner.

Is this thread seriously still going on?

Is there a reason why you bumped a dead thread?

This is funny to me. The only tower I remember you being able to take was Sardons and that is the tower that takes the least amount of skill to take.

This is funny to me. If I recall you made a thread a few months ago complaining about how your guild couldn't take Sardons with 15+ members online and you were asking for a Sardons nerf, and now here you are saying that Sardons is the tower that requires the least amount of skill to take.

I believe the guild was called New Age Legacy II?

:D:D:D

LOOOOOOOOOOOL