lmao nerf it into a 4 shot kill then it would be fine

Or just leave it the way it was. What? Only 6 people complained about it/actually noticed the difference. Old guns need to remain somewhat crappy so players have reason to buy new.

I agree. However they need to be stronger than cheaper guns of the same class.

^ This is what I was trying to attain

the only way you could make it better than the cheap shotties, is to take away the dual wield of them, which should not happen. Increase spread and a little of the speed on the M3 take away the shotgun effect.

i kinda new the m3 got buff i used to use it it sucked then a guy killed me 3 shots i like it now

I had alot of guns, 36 EC alot of melles and a bunch of stuff adding up to alot of money, i hit transfer on my ipod when i went to log into my email adress and when i loged in everything was gone.

there arnt many shotguns in the game, and ive heard that the ksg really needs a buff too. maybe not to its original self, but just a big bump.

The shield is my problem. Sure it reduces damage taken. I just find that while you're shooting with the shield, it's really slow. You can still die fast enough because your gun shoots slow with a shield.

KSG Shotgun was then meant that you shoot normally without a shield. If a bullet is about to hit you, hit the shield button last second before you take damage. The problem is that the shield the first thing I can view as "the item made to slow you down". It's got some freeze when you pull out the shield. Shooting with the shield slows down your movement, and lowers your rate of fire. It also feels as if it adds more freeze to the gun. I also feel that ksg shotgun needs a little less freeze (I don't mind if the damage gets lowered a bit due to freeze rate being shortened.)

I just think the shield should have no freeze upon activation. (like activating lexel laser or the pencil/fork trash pick action) To make it fair, you can't shoot for 2 seconds upon activating the shield. It can make combat more interesting. Block the bullet last second with the right timing to take less damage.

How much does ksg take?

My dream is suizen with more clip and no auto i hate auto...just btw

Hmm, thing is, taking away the shotgun effect makes it less effective than noraml shotguns, since they're 2k and have shotgun effect, i'll try one less damage.

LOL Lag Creatives :3.

Please view my thread on shotgun damage in future improvements

what i was trying to say is there isn't much spread on it. Therefore most of the bullets can hit from far away

But if its far away, surely its pretty damn easy to dodge lol

Well, I guess the trade off is:
less spread-> less freeze.
more spread -> more freeze.

Raise price :)

Something feels different about the m3. Did it get nerfed?

o_o ????

you want that Extra cheese with it? xD

M3 got nerfed. Sad.

Did I or did I not say it was a work in progress to get it balanced right? lol

There's just 1 or 2 weapons that have bad performance. First off, I can't really back up with some proof but Classic Bow is the most useless weapon to come to era. Unable to repair it, keeping it at 7 damage. I mean 7 damage per 2 seconds? That's weak. I understand bow is free. But what's the point of having it there when no one uses it. At least something you can buy to make it better. E.g add poison tipped arrows to Classic Bow

Next off single mk23. It's easy enough to compare it with deagle single. Practically same rate of fire. Deagle has more damage. Deagle has a lot less freeze. Both have fast reload. Both are same price. Mk23 has nothing advantageous over deagle. So why buy mk23 when you got deagle? That mk23 is a waste of space. :(

But on the bright side. M3 can have a use now.

Firstly; M3 thread lol.

Secondly; Classic Bow was just for fun, it wasn't meant to be anything serious, was all for the luls.

Pretty sure most of those handguns were never meant to be used as a single lol
Those handguns are around the same, asethetics or just minor differences like speed / power ratios is their key thing

Not to bring up a dying thread, but rather than making a new post..

Feedback on M3 would be appreciated :) no one seeems to be complainings its overpowered still soo.. I'm curious hm?

I'm seeing it used less it has less clip more freeze than pbp imo, so it feels balanced to me.

Ah thats good to hear. It still remains better than normal shotguns too?
Thank you for your feedback

My m3 is rusty and is acting great. I'm sure it's perfect now.

M3 is pretty good actually. It's good for finishing off enemies or surprising them with high burst damage. I just feel that mk23 needs fixing as desert eagle is a purely upgraded version of it. Dual or single wield. Desert eagle is no doubt better than mk23. But since this is m3 thread. I might have to mention this in another thread or make a new one.

When I shoot with the m3 it doesn't make the gun sound. usually does the sound on rare occasions

Snak your doing a good job, I know it must be hard to please everyone. But when it comes down to it, there will always be a bi***er

This is true, thank you :)
Sadly I do enjoy trying to please everyone haha, never an easy task however.
I don't mind if they complain it was overpowered after I touched it, because in reality I only did it as a test to see why it wasn't operating that way in the first place, seems like the higher freeze and lower clip balanced it out as no one else seems to be complaining :)

The biggest moaners are the ones who buy the weapon purely because it is overpowered and unbalanced, they know full well it wont stay like that, but still want to complain and cry for refunds anyways.

Yeah, very true, that's the reason I bought the M4 in June, to be honest.
I don't care if it's been nerfed, if the nerf balances the game.

I mean, no item should ever be changed from it's release, but necessary nerfs to make the game better, I support.

Well for 5k there is no need for a refund lol

With this I almost agree, sometimes people don't entirely think about the balancing issues when they release things, so occasionally changes are needed.
I'd of never let the M4 get the way it was if I was in the position I am now lol.

Maplestory change their entire game mechanics xD though they do occasionally give stat resets to compensate so you're not screwed ahah.

Never played Maplestory. Am I lucky?

Buff the freaking mp40 it's an smg that works like an lmg but does no damage. dsalkjsalgkjsa

Wasn't it buffed recently?

Snake, I would recommend you would raise the price like you did for the M4

No. I don't like the idea of increasing prices to balance guns x.X

Yeah I already had to test the m4 with you for hours,to show you how OP it was compared to souizen and sten ect...
M4 still got a buff after the nerf,im sure.
M4 needs to be stopped to be so op.Really.

I mean now we even have m4's better than acr's rofl.

Well, ACR was brought in as a cheap gun rather than an expensive gun xD
Sten is still better stat wise than M4, I don't think anyone touched it.

I hate my Sten. I guess it depends on preference.