Posted by Talon (Post 177450)

If you're referring to PC, it isn't the trading that ruins the game's economy. It's the fact that they can be traded at all (drops/system). In short, trading guns kills the economy because players won't buy from stores anymore, because they can capitalize between each other for cheaper prices. If a guy wants a BAR, eventually with time, he's not going to go to the store to purchase a BAR. Instead, he'll look for a player that doesn't want the BAR who will sell it for a lower price. This causes guns to lose value quickly. The cycle will repeat, and sooner or later, inflation occurs since peoples' guns aren't sitting idle in their inventory, but now rather a happier owner who will put use to it.

Also, becauae you can trade unwanted guns for other guns, you won't have to shell/buy packs to get that new gun. When this happens, players won't buy any more packs which leads to a loss in revenue for developers. That is a fatal mistake for any game, seeing as Era PC has had multiple server resets in the past.

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If you were talking about iEra, the same reasons as above. Though, I don't see a problem in a trade system for items that are already droppable. Just no items that aren't droppable (i.e. guns).

Posted by Derpawy (Post 177648)

Making trash/mushrooms/shells droppable worsens the economy and encourages scamming.

Posted by SnakeRekon (Post 177642)

Untill you've experienced several Era PC resets, most of you will never understand the flaws of the economic system.
Most of the servers really are not capable of handling an economy well, I completely disagree with the amount of droppables there are on IEra, including shells.
It was a terrible mistake in my eyes to have money items droppable.

Gun's seem pretty balanced these days x.x
Cloyd did release too many guns too fast, needed a much slower progression to me.

Era's main problem is lack of a game-plan so to speak, most of the work is spontainious and unplanned lol

Posted by DarkKnight (Post 177871)

unixmad and his bread...

//#Y SO UNIXMAD?

Posted by Spotzy Creedz (Post 177899)

You should play era pc for a day and you will see that iEra gun prices are not that bad.

Posted by Johnaudi (Post 178018)

On PC it's harder to get money, on iEra people complain the price of the BAR(200,000$) well, on PC a gun/melee can go up to 2,000,000$. = Economy ruined.
2nd, droppable guns, which make them stop buying guns from the store (as Talon stated). = Economy Ruined
3rd, lack of speed the player has and can get. = PK ruined.
4th, amount of player decreasing. = Players won't play at this point (if it was me, i'd not like to play alone in a server)

Posted by Talon (Post 178729)

I don't get why you would play on a server with only 60~ people. That sounds boring.

Posted by Billy (Post 177809)

Well the game was a lot better when new guns were released,Oh how I miss Cloyd.

Posted by SnakeRekon (Post 178779)

Okay so; sure we can throw 50 million guns at you, but at the end of the day you're all just going to grab the most powerful and use that, so releasing all those guns is pretty much for nothing.
More shall be released, just be patient.

@Emera, 60 is nothing to the 200+ back in the day

Posted by Billy (Post 178728)

On PC i sold my bar for 320k..not much higher. number 2 is pretty true...number 3...its called a LIGHT WEIGHT POTION,i usually pk without one and do fine.. number 4...well the player count has been at 40-100 for a year now,and i never lag on it like i do on iEra .

btw PC is easier to gain money on,it depends on your mining level..

Posted by SnakeRekon (Post 178817)

I've already considered some upgrades for mining..
I'll probably write some detailed information out for Snk and see what he thinks.

Posted by SnakeRekon (Post 178817)

I've already considered some upgrades for mining..
I'll probably write some detailed information out for Snk and see what he thinks.

Posted by Johnaudi (Post 178799)

Probably you'd never lag because it's NOT lag, you guys basically mistake it, that's the RAM and the CPU, iOS Devices get buggy when interfered with high tense of connection, if you play on an old windows with 512mb RAM you'll bug as much as an iPad 1.
It's the server that gets laggy or your Internet connection.

Posted by Johnaudi (Post 178799)

Also, mining is practically the only good way to get money without being following by people desperate for kills, and it's still not enough for extra expensive guns.
iEra is meant to fit in your pocket.

Posted by Billy (Post 179233)

English,please? Read what's under my name.

Posted by Skill (Post 178932)

Good to know, I feel like the mining system is broken.

It takes forever to reach a level where it makes a significant difference, you can hardly notice anything. Based on the way it works your rate improves more for leveling at high levels than low, it should be the opposite.

Low levels should get better rewards for leveling, and have it gradually decrease as you level.

like it takes 10 secs to mine at 1, 9 at 2, 8.2 at 3, 7.5 at 4, 7 at 5, 6.6 at 6.

See what I mean? Eventually when you are at like 40 it would only be a slight difference, so that people don't get to insane levels and make too much money like on pc era, but leveling still helps.

Also the money gain needs to be buffed, even at like level 60(which no one has reached, highest I've heard of is someone at 32 that mines like all day) shoveling is still significantly faster.

Don't remove levels though, because people who put a lot of time into leveling like the level 32 would be really upset. if you do though, give us a large compensation, like say an additional $10 per rock mined.

Posted by SnakeRekon (Post 178779)

Okay so; sure we can throw 50 million guns at you, but at the end of the day you're all just going to grab the most powerful and use that, so releasing all those guns is pretty much for nothing.
More shall be released, just be patient.

@Emera, 60 is nothing to the 200+ back in the day

Posted by lord greg (Post 179453)

lol just dont keep increasing price maybe if you release a gun better than bar put at same price and decrease bars price

Posted by SnakeRekon (Post 179458)

Better than bar.. x.x
So you want to annoy the 100's of people who already bought a bar for 200k, then lower the price and release one at the same price? o.o;; makes no sense.

Would make more sense just to delete the BAR from the store than your suggestion

Posted by lord greg (Post 179453)

lol just dont keep increasing price maybe if you release a gun better than bar put at same price and decrease bars price

Posted by Billy (Post 179233)

English,please? Read what's under my name.

Posted by Talon (Post 179471)

Genius.



He's basically talking about the computer's performance as opposed to your devices. iDevices, like he said, are generally more susceptible to internet connection lag as opposed to a regular computer on wired connection. They can lag so bad at times that it can be around the same performance as, say, a Windows 98 with 512MB RAM (basically operations it can handle at once), which is very low in retrospect to computers nowadays, which have upwards of 32GB RAM.

In short, the reason iEra lags is because you're playing on an iDevice, which blows internet connection-wise, and only has about 512MB RAM, which is hardly enough for iEra's high playercount. PC doesn't lag because it has more RAM and can handle more players/operations.

Posted by lord greg (Post 179468)

otherwise you will end up with stupidly high prices for guns which people wont buy. and theres no point making realy bad guns cuz no one will want them

Posted by Skill (Post 178932)

Low levels should get better rewards for leveling, and have it gradually decrease as you level.

like it takes 10 secs to mine at 1, 9 at 2, 8.2 at 3, 7.5 at 4, 7 at 5, 6.6 at 6.

Posted by Talon (Post 179488)

Can you at least type in acceptable English grammar so I can take you seriously? The reason they won't take your suggestion into action is because it would completely defeat the purpose of price-performance value. If you're going to make a gun cheaper and release a better gun at the same price, people with the former gun are going to go up in arms about being ripped off. They paid the same price for a mediocre gun while other people got a better gun for the same price. The BAR doesn't have to be the threshold for top tier gun prices, things are probably going to go higher than it in the future. That doesn't mean everyone's going to buy it though.

Also, guns can be relatively cheap and still cost-efficient - we've seen a ton of them released and buffed lately. The Colt 6 is an amazing gun that can easily compete with M4 and Shipkas, which are leaps and bounds over its price. I'll reiterate what I've said a thousand times on price:performance threads. Price to performance ratio is never the same, and there will be guns that are disproportionate to the norm, if its for better or for worse. Let's use the Colt 6 for example. It has a 30,000 price tag, and sports 7 damage and a clip of 6. If we kept the Shipka at an exact price to performance ratio, then the Shipka would have 28 damage and a clip of 24. If you haven't noticed, guns that are raising in price aren't much better than guns that are considerably lower than it. The BAR isn't and arm and a leg over the Tachi Scorpion for the extra 170.000 you pay for it. The only real upgrade the BAR has on the Scorpion is the extra 2 damage and maybe a higher clip size. When you're into the top tier guns like the Shipka and BAR, the price-performance ratio plummets. At this point, you're just paying the extra 100.000 upgrade to chase that last 0.2 reduction in freeze or that 1 extra damage, which is a horrible P:P ratio, but might still be necessary. A great example is what Skill stated earlier in the thread.



The same is applicable to guns. Insanely expensive guns shouldn't have the same price to performance upgrade the Colt has over the Deagle, but rather an upgrade of the same caliber that the BAR has over the Scorpion at a similar price tag. For example, if a BAR was basically a 2 damage upgrade and a bigger mag over the Scorpion for an extra 170.000, then the next upgrade over the BAR should be 245.000 for the same upgraded 1-2 damage and a slightly higher clip size. Again, at this point, you're just paying the extra 100.000 upgrade to chase that last 0.2 reduction in freeze or that 1 extra damage. Guns were not meant to upgrade a hell of a whole lot at high prices.

Posted by Talon (Post 179471)

Genius.



He's basically talking about the computer's performance as opposed to your devices. iDevices, like he said, are generally more susceptible to internet connection lag as opposed to a regular computer on wired connection. They can lag so bad at times that it can be around the same performance as, say, a Windows 98 with 512MB RAM (basically operations it can handle at once), which is very low in retrospect to computers nowadays, which have upwards of 32GB RAM.

In short, the reason iEra lags is because you're playing on an iDevice, which blows internet connection-wise, and only has about 512MB RAM, which is hardly enough for iEra's high playercount. PC doesn't lag because it has more RAM and can handle more players/operations.

Posted by Billy (Post 179745)

True but FB Lags way more than iPod iEra.. It's based on player count trust me.. Because I never lag at 5 a.m. because there's a very low player count. I almost won tts,I was the last person but got bar spammed,I came close because there was no lag at all,and Ive never won an event due to lag.(Off-Topic)I have 10 ec due to offers/contests/gst and jazz.

Posted by NCJohn

Be patient; we have some pretty cool things that are being worked on that you may like.

Posted by Era News (Post 179888)

Like more immature players? YESSS

Posted by Johnaudi

fixed.

Posted by JesusFreak (Post 180006)

Back to the original topic:

I agree with the fact that iEra's getting boring. I mean, I used to play every day. But now I didn't play for a few days and honestly, I'm not missing it.
Unless there are some bigger updates planned, I don't know if it's evenness worth to start playing again..

Posted by JesusFreak (Post 180006)

Back to the original topic:

I agree with the fact that iEra's getting boring. I mean, I used to play every day. But now I didn't play for a few days and honestly, I'm not missing it.
Unless there are some bigger updates planned, I don't know if it's even worth to start playing again..

Posted by Talon (Post 180023)

C-C-C-Combo Breaker.

Posted by salaris (Post 180036)

I have to admit that playing graalclassic is more better in some cases.I'm not saying it's the best game because it needs so work to. But on graalera is totally different,the prices are higher more likely to high. The guns are the things need to be lowered. But so far on graalera your doing great keep it up. Graalclassic your doing fine just keep doing what you where doing. :)

Posted by slick (Post 176981)

attachment 40k? (i dont remember)

Posted by salaris (Post 180036)

But on graalera is totally different,the prices are higher more likely to high.