Thank you.

i’ll be honest here, military guilds these days aren’t the greatest as they were back then
the only thing they seem to like doing is sit on a spot all day and claim that the land is theirs
obviously, they start pk wars against other guilds, and those fights are pretty alright
the problem is that they’ll start to use rp elements in the process of the war (ex. wear hover boots and a shield that looks like a plane while proceeding to spam bombs everywhere)
hate to break it to them but if you want to claim territory, then just go tower and prove that you can function like a military

i’ll be honest here, military guilds these days aren’t the greatest as they were back then
the only thing they seem to like doing is sit on a spot all day and claim that the land is theirs
obviously, they start pk wars against other guilds, and those fights are pretty alright
the problem is that they’ll start to use rp elements in the process of the war (ex. wear hover boots and a shield that looks like a plane while proceeding to spam bombs everywhere)
hate to break it to them but if you want to claim territory, then just go tower and prove that you can function like a military

military guild r cringe lol :

Woaaah there cowboy, I never talked to you. Don't drag my name into this. But yea, that's Fessler/Westbrook.

Is it true Fessler/West is the creator of the military website and his own personal bio lol?

http://graalmilitary.wikia.com/wiki/...tavian_Fessler

you need a hobby lol

dam so westbrook was that random named fessler i met a year ago

I think you also need a hobby lol. The reason why military guilds are cancer, especially the Magnus Family is because it breeds deception and bull**** in the game without trying to excel in it. Apparently, you photoshopped a pm of mine and a random pm (trash talking Seveade) that YOU generated, and gave it to Seveade Valeria, a member of the family, and told Seveade that I said this to him lol.

Westbrook (Sol Fessler Magnus) also threatened Seveade that this false pm of mine should be kept secret, and that it should not be exposed (Why would you say this?). You would say it, because no one heard me say that kind of **** to Seveade, you idiot. Because Seveade came to me yesterday, and said he was kind of scared if he should tell this to me despite the fact Seveade is actually the victim here.

Also, I found it interesting how some people call this stalking. West, it's not stalking if you voluntarily make an online game biography of yourself, and put it on the public, and expect your military snakes to keep it a secret. You wouldn't put that on public to keep it hidden from people seeing it, right? In addition, you told around 50 people that Westbrook = Fessler. So I am not sure why now you are saying you don't do military when YOU DO.

The problem with Graal Military has little to do with lags, or stealing pks. It has to do with it providing a breeding ground for literally snakes, or should I say, people who don't try to actually play the game, but do crap like this (photoshopping, making alternate account to trick people, blackmailing, etc). It is quite understandable that they don't excel in the major aspects of the game such as towering and sparring, or even socializing, but leaning onto devious schemes won't really help you move forward in the game.

West, I remember you saying that you wanted to place in gst. How are you going to place if you keep deceiving people like this?

I understand that you have some kind of hatred towards Doublelift, but the difference between him and you is that he doesn't pull this kind of ****.

Nice job copying Fulgore's profile pic from either discord or graalian forums. I think anything is a better hobby than kissing up to prominent sparrers or trying to slander people maliciously.

Outside of Westbrook who in the Magnus family does that? There's a good handful of people in Magnus that could easily beat anyone in Valeria (a group of people which, by the way, created Sehzan, one of the most autistic and heavily roleplayed militaries in the game, which is really saying something) in spar, with the obvious exception of yourself.

First of all, the problem is that it came from Magnus Family, your family (I believe you are the one with cane, just standing idly in the train station). So your reasoning of "Who else does that?" is flawed, and it kind of proves my point of your family being malignant cancer in the whole community. Dolan (former Magnus) have attempted to kick Doublelift out of GST, Regius have succeeded in kicking Doublelift out of Blivian's guild (both telling the owners of the guild to keep quiet about it in order to keep their reputation) in the past, but I have kept quiet about it, lol.

Second of all, lol, name the people that can beat Doublelift, Green, Kyu, Kaios, Leo, etc in the Magnus Family. No, really, Zearos. Magnus Family is overrated to the point that it is known for aspects that it lacks at. With the exception of 2 people (Regius and Westbrook) in your family, no one in the Magnus Family stands a chance against the people I mentioned above. And the probability of those two winning, even that, is narrow since Westbrook lost to Doublelift 10-3. Regius might have beaten Green or Kaios, but lost to Doublelift and Kyu.

I believed this military community had room to grow, but apparently, someone in the military (Muzak?) was recently caught with having alternate accounts as well? Deceptive acts are common elements in the community.

I don't think the problem is that the military guilds exist. I think the problem is that they've become one of the only types of popular organized guilds that spread out over the map. Throughout the years, there have been pk, spar, guild spar, social, tower, school, and then some more abstract ones like for playing since X, or having Y amount of whatever stat. No matter what, these guilds were always out and about doing stuff.

The pk, spar, social, and tower guilds still exist, but they now are only found in the Battle Arena, at a tower, or idling somewhere and only socializing through guild chat.
In other words, take you and your guild anywhere other than an idle spot and communicate through overworld chat.

I dont know who you are or what you associate with so let me assume you to be an unbiased audience member. A lot of people in Magnus do such deceptive crap. Only they dont associate particularly with the spar community. They hack, cheat, and try to frame the hell out of other military guilds. Military guilds amongst themselves are cancerous. Examples include: Peter Rhodes, Germain, Auel, Morzan, Muzak. I don't need to name more because Westbrook can probably finish this list.. But Valeria is now a retired military guild (now a Spar/Social Guild) with Sehzan carrying its legacy. Valeria is probably the only guild full of people that are actually legendary in spar (in comparison to military guilds) and average tier (in comparison to spar guilds). Military guilds are full of idiots that go nowhere in life and revert to graal to relieve their stress lol, and they take the game seriously by doing absolutely nothing at all; Dack Jangles Magnus(Sarovian Military) reported playing 56 hours of graal straight before sleeping or eating, etc. Valerians are the most normal people whom I've talked to and the only person that i found to be "out of the normal circle" was Bull/YonRick, who had a persona of ScarChaotic

Waffle, problem is that the adamains took away all towering and horse races and all the events. They make us pay for events which is a total ripoff lol. AND all the events suck. Additionally, the adamains did not release NGS yet so like what to do... I'm NEVER wasting time on towering where there's no reward system. Battle Arena is competitive for the GST and competition is where people want to reside, unless people are as old as contego(38 yrs). Nowhere outside of the battle arena remains any form of competition.

Imma be real I don't know most of those people outside of Doublelift and that's only from this forum so I honestly couldn't say either way.

Regarding Muzak and that ****. You're right there, lots of deception and debauchery in the community. You have Constantine literally rampantly abusing a glitch in the game that allows for him to kick everyone from a guild without having permission (which admins refuse to patch), as well as him collecting personal information on players and using it to blackmail them. Now obviously these actions are not limited to him alone, the glitch has been abused by a fair amount of people since it was made public last year. There are a lot of ****ty people in the military guilds, but I'd argue there are alot more people who are actually pretty cool, Magnus Family especially in my opinion is usually pretty honorable. I haven't heard about the Dolan/Regius **** because I don't follow sparing drama ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

How is Magnus honorable? Have they gotten a tower hat? Have they won a gst? Heck, did any single one of them achieve top 50 in spar? PKs and BKs dont count because those literally translate to no-lifers. What did Dolan/Regius do? Nothing. What did Westbrook do? Get rejected by spar community. Please stop lol. You know what you are and you even admitted it. Don't sugarcoat the facts lol

I legit have no idea what ur talking about lol... maybe this sovaede guy is the pinoy valerian who asked to join my gst tag i turned down. no idea. I dont screenshot anything let alone "threaten people", especially people who associate with dobelift, most of which i purposely avoid.

When ur brother/cousin/sister dobelift went on his temper tauntrum and started trying to expose me or whatever, I blocked him and figured I'd just ignore you/him for very good reason. You pmed me atleast 2 times a day "hey dude" and i ignored you, so i figure this is ur way of venting. Kind of sad that you guys are all going so far for my attention, but i'd appreciate it if youd back off. You also pmed me "west respond. now." when you wrote this post and PMed people "go check the forums i roasted west" so its very obvious you just want attention. Like dark, I won't respond to u anymore after this.

In fact, your brother is the only one who lies about anything since he started trying to go around giving out personal info of mine, then when someone confronted him about it he lied and said it wasn't him even though Dark (Supposed friend of dobelifts) sent me all the screenshots showing it was him.

Please stop trying to stalk me with doubelife and dark, it's legitimately really creepy. Theres a reason your brother cant get a spot on any gst team besides his own, and here it is. People have told me before that you guys sent them IP tracers because you believed they were alts. Its odd af. Get a hobby and stop bothering me.

I know who we are, I said I don't know who you are lol

I was using honorable more in the moral/ethical sense not achievements in sparring and ****.

And I'll have you know that I personally have a 0.30 w/l spar ratio

Moral/ethics dont apply to you people. Yall are no better than monsters/savages that go at each other's throats just to achieve superiority. Only this is a game and such things cant literally happen online

You dont avoid people who I associate with. You turn them into my enemies except those that are not adept at spar, or even average. I only pmed you everyday because you kept talking trash behind my back and I wanted to resolve this. You and your stupid friend Ndam used to pm me everyday as Dolan's slave "What gst are you in?" just to get me kicked off whichever gst. And yeah I said i was in Kyurosu's gst and kyurosu immediately gets a pm to kick me off due to my "lack of skill and commitment". I can't go around getting a gst without you people trying to kiss butt and in doing ruin other's people's lives with deception. It's disgusting. What Dark's doing rn i honestly dont care because everyone in the game knows that you're a reject in every aspect of life even in graal.

Well the point I was trying to make is that for the most part Magnus doesn't do that ****, while a fair portion of the people in militaries do, Magnus doesn't, and we kick people out when they do. I know you and dark have your little feud with Westbrook that derails every thread, but that's not really an accurate representation of how things are with the everyone else. So unless you have something to backup your claims you can go back to derailing this thready with you and Westbrook hate f***ing each other

Didnt bother reading ur paragraph, skimmed through it and saw more fake accusations that me and ndam (lol) were trying to get you kicked from a GST team(the gst team you own.) Your lies dont make any sense. Can't say im surprised since the 3 losers stalking me in a pixel game are the only 3 capable of such severe autism.

Dark the loser who desperately tries to date every online girl (and fails), also the loser who screenshots everyones PMs, saves them for years and obsesses over people like it's real life.

Then you have dobelift, and it's the same thing as dark, just 1000x more obsessive/cringe/******ed. Also very weird.

I play graal to have fun, my definition of fun isn't debating with you weirdos about a graal soldier or whatever. I'd keep going but I made my point. Good luck to you guys in life, if you guys keep PMing me in game about this BS or I find out you guys are trying to get more info of mine im just gonna block you guys. Won't respond to anything else, cya. Maybe theres a graal girl you haven't got rejected by yet (Doubtful) that you can bother, dark. I got things other then pixel stalkers to attend to, cya.

ban westbrook and doublelift already ffs

I am gonna go over several of these bull**** statements that you have just made. Of course, the culprit won't admit to his faults, but Seveade did not have the reason to feel or remain very threatened by whatever pms you conjured up in your room. However, for two weeks, the guy wouldn't talk to me, and actually believed those fake pms you sent him. He left the family due to those pms, although he gained the courage to say what was going on yesterday. Obviously, you have failed pretty much to split the family apart, but that was a good try, West.

Oh, you don't screenshot anything, West? How about that time you got enraged with how you lost to Doublelift 10-3, and proceeded onto logging into an ALTERNATE account in a guild called CO, called up your English friend, Hazard, and tried to record the spar you did with Doublelift? Of course, you were immensely lagging with whatever was going with you at the time. Very disappointing trying to record something on your alternate account.

Also, Westbrook, you already know well yourself the person who released the pics
onto the discord was DOLAN, your friend. I know it might be hard to accept, but over 300? or how many people in discord there are KNOWS dolan released them. Yet, you come here blaming Doublelift for something he didn't do.

I like how your reasoning works when you literally gave out your instagram id to Dolan, and several other people (not including Doublelift), and you expect them to keep it a secret.

I probably said "Hey Dude" to you? last week, or probably even two weeks before that, not even knowing that you were sending fake pms behind my back. And when I figured this out just yesterday, and told you to respond, you still backed out lol.

Dont act like you dont care. You know whats wrong with you. I have a lot of evidence against you that shows what kind of a weird person you are lol. And the gst you tried to get me kicked off of was agharta, not my own guild (Like wtf lol). You obviously target me because you believe that an enemy's enemy is your friend but that's never how it works. I may not have many people on my side but at least i didnt need to kiss butt to win gst.

I just listed three people in that family who did it. Regius said "I am sorry" to Doublelift after Blivian admitted Regius did tell him to kick Doublelift from the guild.

It is not about what only goes around in the graal military community. It is about how this cancer is affecting other aspects of the game such as guild spar, spar and towering. Why should Doublelift have been kicked by something that was unjust?

Dolan isn't a magnus anymore, this is the first I've heard of the Regius stuff and it still lacks a good bit of context imo, and the westbrook stuff I don't even know other than him and the other two randos derailing this thread with spar drama.

So are you saying just because someone is in a military they shouldn't be allowed to spar or tower? In all honesty westbrook and regius and whoever the **** else would behave exactly when they partake in spar regardless of if they had involvement in militaries or not. Without militaries you'd have more cancerous people in the spar ********** so you should appreciate them a bit more. You could have Constantine using personal info to blackmail someone to through a GST rather than just him blackmailing them to delete some random military guild.

^----All this can be in private messages. Get a room----^

It lacks context for you, because you are in the same family with Regius which was mass kicked by another Magnus member a month ago. Very friendly should I say. Just mass kicking your friends like that. When someone says "I am sorry," it means one thing, that they made a mistake, and they want to apologize to the victim. I forgive him, because at least he admitted he did it.

When did I say anyone from military should not tower or spar? Was the military itself the problem? Or was I saying that the schemes that goes on by military people is the problem? It is what you people do and can't fix, that's the problem. If you continue to do things you do (blackmailing, deceiving, etc), why should you be allowed to spar, and tower and make things unfair for other people? Unless you people can't fix those flaws, you shouldn't be allowed to engage in aspects of the game that promote you to be competitive, not trick people.

I mean what was the reason behind regius getting him kicked? Honest mistake or just being an asshole?

With regards to Magnus being kicked, the person who did it was blackmailed by Constantine into doing it. It was a 15 year old kid, and some asshole messaged him with all of his personal information saying to give him access to the account so he could abuse a glitch that allows him to kick everyone in a guild without having the permisions to do so. Obviously the kid is gonna be scared enough to let him do it. Constantije did all of this because Magnus kicked the guy who is "prince" of his "Empire".

The military community at large does not condone the blackmailing and abuse of this glitch that the admins refuse to patch, but you still have a small handful of assholes who use it, and a handful of assholes that follow each of them. Not much we can really do unless they get banned, which they very much deserve at this point.

What could be more honest about telling someone to kick a person, and telling that someone never to mention his name towards the victim that was kicked? There is no honest mistake in there.

It doesn't matter how Magnus were kicked. It only matters who kicked that family, and everyone in that guild is a Magnus unless your family is dumb enough to recruit an untrustworthy person into the family. Or unless your Magnus member was dumb enough, quite like Westbrook, to give his instagram info away to several people.

You speak as if Constantine is an almighty god in this game, but really, all you need to do is not associate with him? like me? You ever see me or Valerians get their personal info sucked in by Constantine? No, you don't. I personally doubt even if our personal info were discovered, none of us would mass kick the guild.

Military is the basis for these actions. Doesn't matter if 55%, or 70% don't do it. It encourages these actions. Did Fessler when he was leading Amestria back in 2015 do this crap? No, in fact, Fessler wasn't like how he is now back then. Staying in military community really transformed him by deleting the few brain cells he had into nothingness.

Honestly, Beatles, you don't have much room to talk about few brain cells given the stuff I have experienced.

Yeah it's easy to say that now, put yourself in the shoes of a 15 year old kid. Would you really want a community of cancerous morons to know your full name, all your social media accounts, and your address? Nowadays I wouldn't cave in, but when I was that age I almost definitely would have.

It's not like Constantine's always done this ****, he's been a part of militaries for 5 years and didn't start this blackmailing bull**** until about a year or so ago. If people had known they wouldn't have associated with them, sure, but they didn't. For four years he was just a relatively chill guy. You'd also be surprised who easily you can use one small piece of information to link to everything else about a person, I believe the person in question had his information extracted after his kik account username was shown to have been used in another forum, which linked to his personal email, from which full name/social media could be found, and from there everything else that was used. Also despite a majority of people being against him, he still does have a decent sized military comprised of people that are uncaring of his actions, so even though we don't associate ourselves with him, he still continues his shenanigans.

And regarding westbrook, I first met him mid 2014, he was no more or less cancerous than he is today, yeah when he leads his own guild he can be more serious, but in the downtime he's always been the same from the day I met him.

The only difference is you still partake on them while I have moved on.

I was 15 three years ago, and I didn't do that **** lol.

And in response to your second paragraph, I am very surprised at how a simple online gaming leads to catfishing people's identities. Hence why, the military community is cancer.

You haven't seen Westbrook from outside the military community. He hides his military past in the spar community, yet he tells many people he is part of it. And yet again, he says that he is an inherent sparrer. Fessler back then was more sure of who he was.

Well bully for you for thinking that, you weren't in that situation though so I'm not sure you can say 100%.

And you're missing the point of what I was trying to say earlier. I think this thread alone shows that the sparring community at times can be just as toxic as the military community at times, especially with how pissed off you're seeing Doublelift/Dark/Westbrook all get over stupid ****. The point I'm making is this same catfishing crap could easily happen in the spar community also. If it were more publically known, I could easily see someone taking advantage of the 'kicking glitch' to wipe everyone from a guild right before a GST or something. It isn't the military community making these people toxic, that's just how they are.

With the current state of the military community I don't blame fessler for trying to separate himself from it when he does other ****.

Did you move on or were you rejected? You and Valeria's Sehzan being pretty strongly rejected by the military community (I recall Fessler being one of the one's leading the charge against you guys so that probably explains your hate boner for him). I also remember you guys fighting pretty damn hard to be a part of the community, so don't claim you've moved on when you were just rejected and failed on your own.

You are around sophomore at high school when you are 15, and you would feel obliged to give your information? I have been faced with someone like Time, Constantine, etc before, lol. If some of you people have the brain to do something so devious and clever that majority of graalians don't do, what is making you say "I want to give my info away?" You just need to reject lmao. I don't get how that is so hard unless you want to get yourselves exposed. If you somehow have the urge to give yourself away to a stranger, you are not a smart guy.

Secondly, the reason why I am replying in this forum, probably second time, ever since I made this in 2016, is because Westbrook made a fake pm of me lol. Really has nothing to do with the sparring community. The topic is on the problem of the military community, and I brought examples of the military people who were troubling other people in other communities. These kind of things happen like 80% of the time in military community, not because of how people are, but because of how the military community promotes these kind of activities to the role-players lol (because this community dwells solely on basically talking, not by what this game offers). And sparring community isn't ill with catfishing, mass kicking, etc. Never heard of a GST that got mass kicked. Disqualified? Sure, but no mass kick. You are just guessing that it could happen lol.

No, you can't blame Fessler, he is in your family, but what he is doing is double-sided. It has nothing to do with trying to separate himself from anything. Most of what he says is bs, because he has probably told me so many times that he would quit military before he joined militaries after. Because he has been pushing this persona even before new state guild that recently fell existed. And honestly? I got to know wtf he was when he said he was Westbrook around september which is way after Sehzan existed lmao. So when you say he spearheaded anything, I don't know what you are talking about lol. Because he apparently wasn't brave enough to keep one name, or at least tell people wtf he is the moment he got a new account.

I mean I understand that you can't move on from this military community, because of course, this is what you did your whole time you were in Graal, instead of focusing in the major aspects of the game. And no, as far as military is concerned, I didn't even talk to Westbrook (didn't even know wtf he was since he changed his name) while I was in Sehzan or any other militaries lol. In fact, I was primarily opposed to the State Military (I have no idea what military guilds West was even a part of). The reason is simple, he did something wrong, and I am here to stand against it.

The military community works in a way where older people needs to keep their spots, can't have younger generations do anything to take it away from them. And for god sakes, it is a game. It is not something in which you can actively accept or reject from people trying to be a part of lol. If someone makes a military guild, they have a military guild, because it is a role-playing community. If someone believes this military role-playing is ****, and leaves, they leave, lol. You have no decision in accepting anyone. So rather than you even having the choice to reject anyone, it is more about not being able to pull your hand out of your ass, and accepting something you haven't accepted before (that you suck at playing this game). You engage in pking in empty fields instead of practical gs/spar when deciding military battles, due to the fact that you are not adept at the game, and you need something (which is basically just standing in the field) to make up for your defect.

Number one problem of RP military guilds? 8 pm bed times.

this right here is the problem

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Imma just focus on this one bit since clearly you miss the point of everything I try to say when you read my longer responses.
What I said was IF the kicking glitch was more well known the spar community would definitely use it. The glitch was discovered late spring of last year, and despite it being fairly rampant in the military community, the steps to perform it hasn't leaked outside of it yet (probably why it still isn't patched)

You can't honestly say that if, before the next GST, I sent the instructions on how to wipe a guild to every team participating that there would not be a decent handful of people attempting to use it. Spar community has their heads up their asses just as much, if not more than military does.

Also regarding the dumbass pk battles, I agree with you on those, and that was the original point of this thread it seems before you guys derailed it with petty bull****. Oftentimes one side is willing to do a guild spar to settle it after the "battles" last half an hour or so, but the other side will refuse if they know they are outmatched.

Closing thread due to it getting highly derailed.

I remind you all once again the forums ARE a place for discussion and thoughts/opinions, but NOT a place to start huge arguments and harass others. If you have an issue with others either take it to the private messages or off the forum site completely.