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Rusix 10-26-2017 01:09 AM

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Posted by Fulgore (Post 799351)
Take last season then as another example.

Kaios at the top of the leaderboards. Throw in Thallen, Sarah, Alexx, Dante, Exalt, Pt, Zid, Brett, myself, etc. (many of which were not that high on the leaderboards, or on them at all)

Kaios is not favored in any way, shape, or form to win that tournament, and no sane person would argue otherwise. Clear example of why that's a faulty way of thinking about it.

Not even sure if you're just trolling now since you're just repeating things you've said instead of actually respond to the examples but I'll bite anyway.

As I said before, It doesn't 100% mean they will win. And it is only a sign they possess all the best spar traits which would FAVOR them being more likely to have won if such occurred. I'm starting to think your not even reading what I'm saying or fully understanding it

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Posted by ShivGraal (Post 799352)
It was his trophy. He was-number one!

No, I wasn't?

TeK 10-26-2017 06:44 AM

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Posted by Rusix (Post 799356)
...it is only a sign they possess all the best spar traits which would FAVOR them being more likely to have won if such occurred.

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Posted by Fulgore (Post 799351)
Kaios is not favored in any way, shape, or form to win that tournament, and no sane person would argue otherwise.

Rusix is insane confirmed

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Posted by Jimbo (Post 799273)
Who are you to talk, what kind of loser brags about winning 3rd
Shut your mouth and dont post anymore

On another note, this coming from the guy who spent the entire next season bragging to me about finally placing third after years of trying from countless countries...

Jimbo 10-26-2017 07:29 AM

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Posted by TeK (Post 799381)
Rusix is insane confirmed


On another note, this coming from the guy who spent the entire next season bragging to me about finally placing third after years of trying from countless countries...

Nobody bragged you dumbass
But you were crying on forums about your loss, there is a difference

Honestly you can talk on forum but on the field you suck and you dont stand a chance

Darkk 10-26-2017 10:00 AM

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Posted by Jimbo (Post 799388)
Nobody bragged you dumbass
But you were crying on forums about your loss, there is a difference

Honestly you can talk on forum but on the field you suck and you dont stand a chance

I’m pretty sure Tek reached the finals once, something you have failed to accomplish

*braces for 12 month old screenshots*

Rusix 10-26-2017 12:38 PM

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Posted by TeK (Post 799381)
Rusix is insane confirmed


On another note, this coming from the guy who spent the entire next season bragging to me about finally placing third after years of trying from countless countries...

I been insane, thank you

TeK 10-26-2017 08:40 PM

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Posted by Jimbo (Post 799388)
Nobody bragged you dumbass
But you were crying on forums about your loss, there is a difference

Honestly you can talk on forum but on the field you suck and you dont stand a chance

Lol **** the all-knowing Jimbo says I suck, might as well quit now ._.

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Posted by Darkk (Post 799392)
I’m pretty sure Tek reached the finals once, something you have failed to accomplish

The finals have eluded me thus far, but (unlike Jimbo):
  • I don't cry about it 24/7
  • I don't think I'm some sort of God who should make it to every final whatsoever
  • I’ve still probably outplaced him twice as often in half the time, without a VPN, not that this is anything too significant to brag about ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Jimbo 10-26-2017 09:26 PM

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Posted by TeK (Post 799461)
Lol **** the all-knowing Jimbo says I suck, might as well quit now ._.



The finals have eluded me thus far, but (unlike Jimbo):
  • I don't cry about it 24/7
  • I don't think I'm some sort of God who should make it to every final whatsoever
  • I’ve still probably outplaced him twice as often in half the time, without a VPN, not that this is anything too significant to brag about ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

First of all I think you are better than Dark but you still suck, being better than Dark is like being better than a baddy.
Also the only reason you went to finals is due to my mixed entrance, otherwise you be crying again without a hat probably.

I am a skilled gser and sparrer and I dont think anyone measures up to my level. And thats that + its funny how you keep coming with vpn conspiracies

Nanner 10-26-2017 09:37 PM

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Posted by Jimbo (Post 799469)
being better than Dark is like being better than a baddy.

Shots fired

TeK 10-26-2017 09:38 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcO_BtIUMAAWria.jpg

Darkk 10-26-2017 09:48 PM

Imo Jumbo is average at best and that’s coming from the player who holds the longest idevice GST win streak of all time.

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Posted by Jimbo (Post 799469)
vpn conspiracies

Vpn conspiracies? Didn’t Shad (former Male member) already confirm that you ban evaded and vpned in the season I beat you single handedly lmaoo

Jimbo 10-26-2017 09:52 PM

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Posted by TeK (Post 799472)

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Posted by Darkk (Post 799473)
Imo Jumbo is average at best and that’s coming from the player who holds the longest idevice GST win streak of all time.


Vpn conspiracies? Didn’t Shad (former Male member) already confirm that you ban evaded and vpned in the season I beat you single handedly lmaoo

I respect Shad, he is a great member and we sorted the problem among ourselves. So you may continue with your conspiracies and maybe one day you will be as tough as a lizardon baddy

TeK 10-26-2017 09:54 PM

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Posted by Jimbo (Post 799474)
This should suit:
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Hey buddyo pls find your name before calling yourself a winner xD

Jimbo 10-26-2017 10:08 PM

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Posted by TeK (Post 799475)
Hey buddyo pls find your name before calling yourself a winner xD

And where is your name? Idiot
I like you Tek honestly, you are like Thallens dog lol you gotta do something useful to get feeded

Furthermore, it isnt about winning but how you win

TeK 10-26-2017 10:13 PM

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Posted by Jimbo (Post 799477)
And where is your name? Idiot

I’m not the one making absurd claims like this:
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Posted by Jimbo (Post 799469)
I am a skilled gser and sparrer and I dont think anyone measures up to my level.


Darkk 10-26-2017 10:23 PM

When you win an idevice GST with 4 North Americans and a mixed tournament before the self proclaimed most skilled gser wins once… It’s an honour lol

The last 2 or so pages of this thread are another reason as to why an SST would be a good thing. We would get to witness this jumbo ****** losing to the likes of Boots or Kaios lol

Jimbo 10-26-2017 10:25 PM

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Posted by Darkk (Post 799480)
When you win an idevice GST with 4 North Americans and a mixed tournament before the self proclaimed most skilled gser wins once… It’s an honour lol

I dont have much to say to you, you had to suck up to RD and to alumni before winning a GST. You gave up on your real team after failing since 2012.

But I dont have anything to say to you, keep your belt but in my eyes you will always be Dark the loser who begs anyone for a recruit.
You are irrelevant so take this attention and go

ShivGraal 10-26-2017 10:30 PM

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Posted by Jimbo (Post 799481)
I dont have much to say to you, you had to suck up to RD and to alumni before winning a GST. You gave up on your real team after failing since 2012.

But I dont have anything to say to you, keep your belt but in my eyes you will always be Dark lol

He won tho

alexx 10-26-2017 10:56 PM

Imo, being first on the leaderboards would give you a high chance at winning the sst IF the sst consisted off the top 50 players on the leaderboard, but if anyone is able to participate, me being 1st won’t give me an advantage over someone who hasnt sparred this season, but if it’s someone like gaberial then yeah I have an advantage over him and I’d win most likely

Using me as an example is pretty dumb anyways I’m pretty much the best sparrer so I’d win either way

RyanB 10-26-2017 10:58 PM

i'm already the best sparrer, no need to have a whole tourney fighting over who gets the honor of losing to me.


/s

Darkk 10-26-2017 11:04 PM

Tbh jumbo will never win (SST or GST.) Only guilds with US, VIS or Alumni members win. Exception to that is RD, a guild that I basically co-owned lmao

TeK 10-26-2017 11:05 PM

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Posted by alexx (Post 799486)
Imo, being first on the leaderboards would give you a high chance at winning the sst IF the sst consisted off the top 50 players on the leaderboard, but if anyone is able to participate, me being 1st won’t give me an advantage over someone who hasnt sparred this season, but if it’s someone like gaberial then yeah I have an advantage over him and I’d win most likely

Not necessarily. You’ve got Dante, Brett, Brandon, Aguzo, and some others in the top 50 this season, some of whom may also have as good of a chance of winning as you.

+ there was probably a handful of people in the top 50 last season who could’ve handled Kaios pretty well.

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Posted by alexx (Post 799486)
Using me as an example is pretty dumb anyways I’m pretty much the best sparrer so I’d win either way

:rolleyes:

Jimbo 10-26-2017 11:24 PM

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Posted by Darkk (Post 799489)
Tbh jumbo will never win (SST or GST.) Only guilds with US, VIS or Alumni members win. Exception to that is RD, a guild that I basically co-owned lmao

Anything is possible

Just like your dad managed to lose his *********

TeK 10-26-2017 11:27 PM

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Posted by Jimbo (Post 799491)
Anything is possible

Jimbo’s GST recruiting campaign, 2021

alexx 10-26-2017 11:35 PM

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Posted by TeK (Post 799490)
Not necessarily. You’ve got Dante, Brett, Brandon, Aguzo, and some others in the top 50 this season, some of whom may also have as good of a chance of winning as you.

+ there was probably a handful of people in the top 50 last season who could’ve handled Kaios pretty well.



:rolleyes:

those people you listed do have a chance at winning for sure, I’m saying since I’ve sparred the most I would know how people spar and how to counter it which would therefore give me a bit of an advantage.

But aguzo, brett, dante have not sparred the majority of players in top 50, and if they have they wouldn’t of sparred enough to know how they spar by memory to give the advantage. Not saying they wouldn’t win, just saying me who has sparred people in the top 50 pretty frequently would understand how they spar/give me an advantage because I know how to deal with it

TeK 10-26-2017 11:40 PM

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Posted by alexx (Post 799494)
those people you listed do have a chance at winning for sure, I’m saying since I’ve sparred the most I would know how people spar and how to counter it which would therefore give me a bit of an advantage.

But aguzo, brett, dante have not sparred the majority of players in top 50, and if they have they wouldn’t of sparred enough to know how they spar by memory to give the advantage. Not saying they wouldn’t win, just saying me who has sparred people in the top 50 pretty frequently would understand how they spar/give me an advantage because I know how to deal with it

Yea that makes sense. It certainly could be an advantage, but doesn’t necessarily give you much higher of a chance of winning overall. The players you’d need to worry about would most likely still be just as difficult because they’re good enough to adapt against you as well. I understand what you’re getting at though

Darkk 10-26-2017 11:42 PM

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Posted by Nanner (Post 799471)
Shots fired

lol boss admin gonna fire you for commenting here

If i had to choose between a half eaten bag of cheetos and jimbo to fill the 5 spot, I'd take the cheetos tbh

alexx 10-26-2017 11:48 PM

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Posted by TeK (Post 799495)
Yea that makes sense. It certainly could be an advantage, but doesn’t necessarily give you much higher of a chance of winning overall. The players you’d need to worry about would most likely still be just as difficult because they’re good enough to adapt against you as well. I understand what you’re getting at though

I think that would give me an advantage because spar isn’t consistent, good sparrers always lose to players they aren’t familiar with/have not sparred against, and the only thing I can think of to improve consistency is experience, and yes they can and probably do adapt to me but what I’m saying is they haven’t sparred enough to adapt to the other 48 players in the SST, where as I probably have

Rusix 10-27-2017 01:14 AM

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Posted by alexx (Post 799497)
I think that would give me an advantage because spar isn’t consistent, good sparrers always lose to players they aren’t familiar with/have not sparred against, and the only thing I can think of to improve consistency is experience, and yes they can and probably do adapt to me but what I’m saying is they haven’t sparred enough to adapt to the other 48 players in the SST, where as I probably have

Finally , Someone using basic logic of what I was saying when I said the 1st person holder would likely win since as you said they have more experience against the others, More familiar with them. And so on.
People think just because Kaios got 1st last season since not as many people got into the sparring season that was really good last season that it automatically negates any common logic, Despite I said it's a advantage or more likely since the experience and familiarity of sparring the others way more.

Droon 10-27-2017 02:28 AM

Rusix, what you are trying to say has nothing to do with 'logic'. It is not at all logical to say 'the 1st on the board is most likely to win since he has the most experience'. The 1st one leads in exactly one category: Points. Against who has he/she gotten the points? Nobody will ever know that. Points measure activity and only if there were very many active classy sparrers fighting for the trophy (since then they'd actually fight each other), the meaning of points would get more close to representing skill.

I think what you try to express is that 'being in shape' is a huge factor when it comes to sparring. That is not the case because spar happens in the head. From a certain intensity of sparring on, you don't forget patterns and moves anymore. Please read my previous post in this thread, it will save you so much time

TeK 10-27-2017 03:43 AM

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Posted by Droon (Post 799509)
Rusix, what you are trying to say has nothing to do with 'logic'. It is not at all logical to say 'the 1st on the board is most likely to win since he has the most experience'. The 1st one leads in exactly one category: Points. Against who has he/she gotten the points? Nobody will ever know that. Points measure activity and only if there were very many active classy sparrers fighting for the trophy (since then they'd actually fight each other), the meaning of points would get more close to representing skill.

I think what you try to express is that 'being in shape' is a huge factor when it comes to sparring. That is not the case because spar happens in the head. From a certain intensity of sparring on, you don't forget patterns and moves anymore. Please read my previous post in this thread, it will save you so much time

Tl;dr: activity =/= skill

Thallen 10-27-2017 07:47 AM

you guys are ******s it's not four pages of rocket science to understand the leaderboard format vs. a tournament format

Saber Alumba 10-27-2017 12:05 PM

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Posted by Jimbo (Post 799388)
Nobody bragged you dumbass
But you were crying on forums about your loss, there is a difference

Honestly you can talk on forum but on the field you suck and you dont stand a chance

Excuse me if I’m wring but wasn’t it your team that accused thallens team of hacking because you lost 😂😭😂😭😂

Fatih 10-30-2017 04:49 PM

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Posted by Rusix (Post 798859)
I know, It would be fun, I'd love such, But leaderboards only go to 50... not 64, plus as I said before, it would be extremely likely the 1st place in seasonal spar will likely place 1st, they got more experience through the time, and also they probably fought everyone else enough to know how to beat them.. I mean, believe me I love the idea, But I think graal would need to be fixed in many areas to even have such possible

yo man wat u sayin, how can u mak a tournmnt with 50 player, it no evn a power of 2, u cnt mak an elimination tournmnt with a numbr not even power of 2 yo!
and wtf u sayin, u mean alexx is first of season so if there is one SST it win it? no no man it no true, everybody ez kangaroo yoo!!!!! nd for exampl me, im not in spar scoreboard, but i ez all top 50 yoo!!:! so if there is SST, i be win for sure! ur theory **** :)

Sky VS 10-30-2017 10:49 PM

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Posted by Fatih (Post 799852)
yo man wat u sayin, how can u mak a tournmnt with 50 player, it no evn a power of 2, u cnt mak an elimination tournmnt with a numbr not even power of 2 yo!
and wtf u sayin, u mean alexx is first of season so if there is one SST it win it? no no man it no true, everybody ez kangaroo yoo!!!!! nd for exampl me, im not in spar scoreboard, but i ez all top 50 yoo!!:! so if there is SST, i be win for sure! ur theory **** :)

+1 , that's art.

RyanB 10-30-2017 11:15 PM

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Posted by Sky VS (Post 799865)
+1 , that's art.

no me

Darkk 10-31-2017 01:26 AM

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Posted by Saber Alumba (Post 799539)
Excuse me if I’m wring but wasn’t it your team that accused thallens team of hacking because you lost ����������

Correct... I’m pretty sure jumbo was also trying to explain how his teammate needed to disconnect 10x in order to stabilise her connection lmao

Whatever his mental disability is, it’s probably difficult to pronounce

DoubleliftGraal 10-31-2017 05:42 AM

Surprised someone like deophite still cares about this game. It's very obvious that the admins could give less of a crap about this game. These people dont even receive payment if you think about it.

An SST will exist in the early 2020s in my opinion.

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Posted by Rusix (Post 799314)
I'd have to agree but also disagree, The leaderboard does show the most active sparrer, however in the same way it also shows they are likely the best at that given season.

The reason I say this is because simply they gained the most experience, they are the most sharp knife in the drawer. If you fought against a strong sparrer every day, you'll probably get better after a while, you will progress a bit if you are truly willing to accept a challenge and its outcome even if you lose.

But same time experience only can go so far. The General person themself can play a a role in just how they think and how they are able to deal with different situations and different kinds of sparrers.

It's kind of like if Sparrer A could beat Sparrer B with a pretty high chance, But Sparrer B can beat Sparrer C with a high chance, but Sparrer C can beat Sparrer A with a high chance.

So who is "Better" Sparrer A, or B, Or C?

In terms of the sparrer A, B or C, that's almost 100% invalid. We all have strong and weak points. So, that bs dont matter, it depends on the style of spar we are immune or weak to. Also I'll disagree with the leaderboards determining the best sparrers. Technically one can boost their way up. Only losers would but hey, nothing's impossible.
Examples: ndam, kaios, Ale Monster, Alpha, Boom/Frost, Flint, bananer
These are all people that have a high leaderboard score but suck pretty badly.

Jimbo 10-31-2017 11:14 AM

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Posted by Darkk (Post 799889)
Correct... I’m pretty sure jumbo was also trying to explain how his teammate needed to disconnect 10x in order to stabilise her connection lmao

Whatever his mental disability is, it’s probably difficult to pronounce

Lmao get some sleep

Arsenal 10-31-2017 09:28 PM

I would like a spar tournament. But I feel sparring is the only thing keeping this game on life support. We should focus on other things such as the new guild system, or bringing back ctf?

Bio 11-01-2017 03:47 AM

damn everyone here is angry

Nanner 11-01-2017 07:37 AM

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Posted by DoubleliftGraal (Post 799911)
Surprised someone like deophite still cares about this game. It's very obvious that the admins could give less of a crap about this game. These people dont even receive payment if you think about it.

An SST will exist in the early 2020s in my opinion.



In terms of the sparrer A, B or C, that's almost 100% invalid. We all have strong and weak points. So, that bs dont matter, it depends on the style of spar we are immune or weak to. Also I'll disagree with the leaderboards determining the best sparrers. Technically one can boost their way up. Only losers would but hey, nothing's impossible.
Examples: ndam, kaios, Ale Monster, Alpha, Boom/Frost, Flint, bananer
These are all people that have a high leaderboard score but suck pretty badly.

lul 1v1 bro I’ll beat u with my eyes closed and play lefty

Also in terms of the ABC, that’s actually almost 100% valid in my opinion. I’m able to beat more “pro” sparrers while I might find it difficult to face other people who “pro” sparrers would be able to demolish

Kaios 11-02-2017 07:23 AM

I know I said I wouldn't post here again but I just simply couldn't help myself. I must say that despite all the negative criticism, I cannot bring myself to argue. No not because I deem it to be true but maybe because of Evolution! Either that or I feel that smhegg is lurking into the depths of this forum and is waiting for me to go kaiotic. I feel he targets me and I can't say what I truly wish but anyways take your pick lol.

Shmegg 11-02-2017 05:08 PM

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Posted by Kaios (Post 800134)
Either that or I feel that smhegg is lurking into the depths of this forum

True

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Posted by Kaios (Post 800134)
and is waiting for me to go kaiotic. I feel he targets me and I can't say what I truly wish but anyways take your pick lol.

False

Sky VS 11-02-2017 09:52 PM

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Posted by RyanB (Post 799872)
no me

maeby

Shad 11-03-2017 04:19 AM

Why is Kaios associated in every single post in this thread Lmao.


To clear things up. If you’re falsely reported by a group of people just because one of them that hates you, told his friends to report ya. If that happened to you 2 days before gst (an event that is every 3 months and the only thing worth doing on this ****ty game tbh). What are you going to do, since you got banned? If I was in that situation I would find a way to still do gst. Cuz I ain’t waiting 3 months for the next. With the lack of ****ty support from toonslab and the graal gp consisting of innocent 13 year olds, you can’t just sit there and hope they see your appeal. But you falsely reported someone just because you can’t win an argument? Lol, that’s so hilarious and cowardly. Anyways, yes I would set up a fake network. I like how you say that his vpn is unfair when; 1. You falsely reported someone lol, hypocrite much? 2. Um since when vpning to America is an advantage or even vpning at all (yet I don’t do it cuz why tf u need to)? Although logically there’s no advantage wherever tf you are in the planet (for the ******s who still think delayers have an advantage). I didn’t confirm crap when Alpha Centauri already snitched anyways.

The things people do to take out competition before gst..Pathetic

I don't have anything against ya bud, just stating the facts.

DoubleliftGraal 11-03-2017 05:40 AM

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Posted by Nanner (Post 800052)

Also in terms of the ABC, that’s actually almost 100% valid in my opinion. I’m able to beat more “pro” sparrers while I might find it difficult to face other people who “pro” sparrers would be able to demolish

That's definitely coincidence. Because you have something that some of your opponents don't, or vice versa maybe.

alexx 11-03-2017 09:31 AM

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Posted by Shad (Post 800194)
Why is Kaios associated in every single post in this thread Lmao.


To clear things up. If you’re falsely reported by a group of people just because one of them that hates you, told his friends to report ya. If that happened to you 2 days before gst (an event that is every 3 months and the only thing worth doing on this ****ty game tbh). What are you going to do, since you got banned? If I was in that situation I would find a way to still do gst. Cuz I ain’t waiting 3 months for the next. With the lack of ****ty support from toonslab and the graal gp consisting of innocent 13 year olds, you can’t just sit there and hope they see your appeal. But you falsely reported someone just because you can’t win an argument? Lol, that’s so hilarious and cowardly. Anyways, yes I would set up a fake network. I like how you say that his vpn is unfair when; 1. You falsely reported someone lol, hypocrite much? 2. Um since when vpning to America is an advantage or even vpning at all (yet I don’t do it cuz why tf u need to)? Although logically there’s no advantage wherever tf you are in the planet (for the ******s who still think delayers have an advantage). I didn’t confirm crap when Alpha Centauri already snitched anyways.

The things people do to take out competition before gst..Pathetic

I don't have anything against ya bud, just stating the facts.

To clear what things up again???

Shad 11-03-2017 10:25 AM

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Posted by alexx (Post 800204)
To clear what things up again???


dark and his guild falsely reported jimbo before gst basically.

Saber Alumba 11-03-2017 11:58 AM

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Posted by Shad (Post 800205)
dark and his guild falsely reported jimbo before gst basically.

Admins do not ban people due to false reports , they ussualy require some sort of evidence to ban a player and if he was banned it’s because the evidence was found somewhere of him performing something he should be doing

Saeed 11-03-2017 12:25 PM

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Posted by Saber Alumba (Post 800207)
Admins do not ban people due to false reports , they ussualy require some sort of evidence to ban a player and if he was banned it’s because the evidence was found somewhere of him performing something he should be doing

I read this post few times but unfortunately couldn't understand what you're trying to say?
Anyways, if the single spar tournament take place the winners will have nothing to do with the leaderboard. Being #1 in the leaderboard doesn't make you the #1 best sparer in graal.


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