I think. We are gonna be limited to like 10 conveyor belt per house now lol

Reemas u make no cents

That’s because i dont cheat.

That would be two jobs simultaneously. Very unrealistic. Not the best of contrasts.

You can thank Aguzo for that, if it does come to it that way.

Would combining salaries with your spouse be considered cheating?
The point isn't that I was using multiple accounts, it's that they thought it was impossible to use 3 accounts at the same time, so they assumed I was using macros
https://i.imgur.com/XBm3dzj.png

It's not magic, macros, or any other form of cheats/hacks

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Depends, are you married to yourself? Do you have a cloning machine and care to elaborate on how you came about making one?

Thats using multiple accounts to cheat. Either way the ban is appropriate.

Send your appeal to toonslab, if its bothering you so much. Not supposed to discuss bans on here any way.

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They could have removed the conveyor belts, or added a limit like zetectic stated. I broke no rules, check the code of conduct

I'm sure the extremely active and deserving GP Administrator will see this thread and provide you with an insightful reply

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You can easily edit that document to suit your needs. Either way, you still used multiple accounts to cheat and the ban is appropriate.

Reemas are you on drugs? when did it become illegal to use multiple accounts?
A different example of Aguzo's one could be a player using two devices to spam two holes/entrances in a tower to defend against the attackers. Or, a player using two devices to spam a player in private messages/guild chat. Or... Yes it does gives him an advantage but, nothing is stopping others from doing the same as what he is doing. It's not hacking nor cheating, it's just outsmarting others. It's like calling someone a cheater for abusing the 'unstuck me' teleportation to get to swamp tower quickly (an example). This is not cheating, it's just using the available options to perform better. Plus, it was never stated by GP and it's not 'obvious' that using multiple accounts to gain an advantage is illegal.

I didn't edit anything, that's exactly what it says. #9
http://www.graalonline.com/docs/conduct?page=3#updates

They added conveyor belts, it's not my fault that I'm able to create 3 farms for 3 accounts
They didn't ban me when I was only using 2, months ago. Today, I make a 3rd one in my guild house, and that's when they decide to ban me
"I don't see how he operate 3 accounts at once without a macro", Snow Noob (admin)

I already said this earlier. You should read all posts before posting. I said multiple accounts are fine but don't use them to cheat.

Next time, dont take a hit of whatever you're smoking before you reply.

Says you, read my post again lol

How high are you right now?

@reemas *** the f**k up already

@reemas
I truly don't understand how you breathe with your iq.

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You know, funny thing. I'm thinking the same about you.

The admin is wrong, and Aguzo is innocent. And all those people who just wanted to help the INNOCENT (Aguzo)
who were wrongly accused of hacking. But they're efforts just doesn't pay off, daaang.. My friend and his sister was also wrongly accused of hacking,
when they just spend bunch of time on farming at his house.

By the way, i'd rather want the old admins that actually were determined to help the community, then the new ones. Some aren't that reliable. There were HACKERS blocking the entrances at Deadwood and Mod tower! and Deadwood for like 2 days straight!

reemas is a smart man but he f**kn uses his brain to f**kin start flame wars

To any staff member who thinks the other video is fake, that the allen can't tap a button, and that I had a macro in the background
I have no knowledge on how to actually create a macro for graalonline, nor did I use an allen wrench to "operate 3 devices at once"


It works on capicitive touchscreens
some other examples

the next episode of graalbusters!

#unbanaguzo

"...creating or using any program or technique resulting in unfair advantage via an undocumented feature or disrupting the datastream to and from the server. Such Memory Edits, Trainers, Anti-Idle Macros, Bots or any other 'hacks' destroy the balance of play in GraalOnline and reduce its effectiveness to remain an entertaining product. While a player may think that abusing a bug for personal gain may not affect others, the fact is that it distorts power, creates imbalances in riches, and is otherwise unfair..."

Aguzo has two devices, or three. Each has a different account and all were used to farm for the main. Is this cheating? The answer is no, because Aguzo did not violate any of these rules. This passage describes hacking by means of disturbing the system by implementing 3rd party software into his/her gameplay, be that bots or other forms of "undocumented features" listed above.

Aguzo is seen to be manually farming and spamming the sword button on gralats in-game on all devices. The question why anyone would want to spend hours performing this activity is beyond me, but any methods of hacking/cheating are not present.

This is seen as an exploitation; farming with 3 accounts controlled by a single person manually. The act itself, perhaps something no ordinary farmer would deem necessary, is through a determined state if one, like yourself, chooses to do such a task.

The argument that not everyone is capable of doing this, or otherwise able to own more than one device, is uncanny at best. Those who do, however, may carry out this farming behavior as they so please, as there are no specific rules indicating this behavior to be invalid.

This is seen as unfair, regardless of the circumstance. Using more than one account for the benefit of your main is what caused you to be unfortunately banned, because in the eyes of the administrator who banned you, your farming is "creating an imbalance in riches", as you are gaining gralats quickly with the help of two other accounts.

Does this deserve a ban?

I don't think so. Anyone who wishes to sit around all day tapping away on their devices is nothing more than a dedication to making gralats.

i feel bad for anyone who has a sibling who plays this game with them cause looking at this logic 2 or more people with the same ip that play at the same time are using a macro. This right here folks is why Graal will never grow as big as it could. Banning people over ASSUMPTIONS is bs. Graal staff team acting like a bunch of democrats thinking what they say is true then when proved wrong they stay quiet till something like this "dies down" its quite sad.

hope you get unbanned but i highly doubt you will cause the staff teams always right and they never do mistakes of course!

Hey it's not cheating, I have this friend who does it in real life! he has his main body but he has other bodies he shares his soul with to give them life so all the bodies can earn money for his main body.

Cheating -
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
Ex - "she always cheats at cards"

How is it an unfair advantage if everyone has access to multiple accounts....

Using multiple accounts isn't cheating. I get that you believe it's unfair since the method he used isn't very commonly known, but it's nowhere near dishonest when he's solely operating those accounts. If he was using a program to do the dirty work for him I could see that as breaking grounds for punishment, but he hasn't broken any rules. The only rule that concerns multiple accounts would be for having alternate accounts idle in your house/guild house as you farm (I think)

Either way you're still gonna reply because you believe you're right no matter the situation.

Okay, so here is my understanding now. Using multiple accounts is not allowed WHEN IT PROVIDES AN ADVANTAGE TO THE SAID PLAYER. In this case an increase in gralat production using multiple accounts. This can result in an increase in prices, similar to that mantises bug incident (bunch of gralats being made, as a result the reselling prices of mantises went down significantly).

Now here is the issue that I see here with the OP's ban. First off, as many have already said, looking at the codes and conduct, it does not warrant a ban for the OP a warning would be better. Since it was a ban, the issue here is that they ASSUMED that he was using a third party program, or macros (idk if macros are 3rd party, but still illegal), which he has proven that he was not.

So the question is did it matter if he was using a macro or manual labor to farm with 3 accounts simultaneously? Would he have be given a warning, instead of a ban, if they knew it was manual labor?

Wow this game man. sorry to hear it agogo.

At the rate these bans are going lately the logic will soon be Macros are allowed but only on one device at a time.

It has nothing to do with using multiple accounts.
The staff that banned me dragged my account to check if I was using a macro, I moved back to the conveyor belts to show that all the inputs were being done manually.

They would give you a warning, if it were “using multiple accounts.”
They don’t give warnings when they see you hacking. In this case, they thought it was impossible to control 3 devices at once, without the use of any software to aid you.

The only time they don’t allow you to use multiple accounts is when you boost pk or spar with a friend or by using a vpn on the other account, so the stats will count. I’ve never heard of farming with multiple accounts being classified as cheating, especially when there are no hacks involved.

Normally, ban discussion threads are closed, but Aguzo brought up an interesting discussion topic. But because this thread has devolved into a flame war, I'm locking it.