Yes, exactly! Unfortunately, people are selfish and could careless about anyone else.

ya and if you by chance happen to get into an event where you already have the hat the host has you're the scum of the earth

lol wow. Okay. Well then if you play an event where you already own the hat, don't expect a prize at all if you win. Events are hosted with a set prize that is announced to the whole server and if we wanted to give you whatever prize you wanted we would say that prior to the event starting. We aren't obligated to give you a prize if you already have the one we said we were going to give out and to expect we would is extremely a**hole-ish. You don't go participate in a contest irl and expect a different prize than what they offer, and same should still apply to online games. You absolutely do not deserve a prize if you win knowing you already have the hat. If this extremely simple sentence still manages to confuse you then I have nothing else to say to you.

I'm a little disappointed at the missed opportunity to call this thread "Badmin" hehe...
ok I'll stop.

You're constructing an argument on the basis that this ^ isn't a stupid rule.

If you're actually like.. comparing an NBA basketball playoff to graal then just lol @ you, cause graal isn't real life. No game is?

You see people being good at the game and constantly winning as a fundamental issue here (which I think is pretty mind numbingly ridiculous), coming on the forums and calling people names because they like being competitive on Graal and winning.

There's an entirely different side to this game than fashion shows and RC, get to know it and maybe you'll understand why people want to win as many events as they can.

Yeah how dare humans make mistakes! I say we hold an inquisition and burn anyone who's ever made a mistake in their lives

Warper events are trashy

The queue is less trashy

But yeah most people just hit "join queue" before they even look at the hat thinking that it might improve their chances of making it in

Just a side note, Milo hosted a warper event this morning and I won the TV hat, she then hosted a Que event for TV hat, I some how got warped into the event even though I had the hat(letting you know I don't think that it is scripted properly.) but anyways it was math race and I got to the trophy and purposely didn't grab the trophy since I had the hat if it makes you feel better coco. I personally just love events so I think it's unfair for players to not be able to participate in something that actually makes the game competitive

https://imgur.com/gallery/DVjYY

+rep, so nice of you. can't believe you did that just so you won't end up being called a jerk, and prevented ruining the fun for everyone else. i admire u, nanner.

http://www.graalians.com/forums/atta...1&d=1489265323

It'll never be fixed lol. Dual only hosts warper events with easy hints (not challenging ones) which gives folks like these an advantage.

Event house

I have an idea, Explaining the rules before the event actually starts.
Before the people get into the actual event, in the announcement there should be prior rules said. So Miscommunication like this shouldn't happen in the future.

This problem is getting kind of out of hand, Since Coco explained what the rules are, We should accept it and we would just move on as of now. Also please have admins that are only for Events and assisting GPS in their works it would make their job a lot easier rather than handling both positions at once.

i think there isn't a rule regarding how many times you can win events in a row

There is, But it isn't just publicize or announced that much that's why there are miscommunication happening.

As coco said, you cannot win the same hat or get a replacement once you won the hat.

Because it's so hard to replace a hat you already own with X amount of gralats, duh uhh. (Or invent a new currency and remove individual rewards)

David has a point, stop being ignorant

I like the idea of having a new currency for events only, Or I mistakenly understood this.

Oh MY DAYZZZ. If that rule was stressed and enforced more often, then there wouldn't be any problems. Yeah i guess ur right, no one rlly knows about that rule.

Dual should've informed nanner. I guess Dual didn't know that rule too, huh or otherwise he would've told him.

That's how MMORPGs work. People take pride in becoming better players and being the best players. That's how it's always worked. The concept is to play the game to become the best until you're bored with it and move on. Then the new wave of "the best" comes in and dominates.

Just because a certain player has won and has the event hat doesnt obligate the admin to give out a different prize.

Why not? The player won it fairly. I received a replacement hat before when I was playing Team Fort and Cliff Climber (both events take skills and a lot of time). If Coco or you do not wish for admins to give out different prizes then inform the staff members to state the rule before broadcasting an event and host less warper events.

Exactly, but it does happen nonetheless. That's a problem because it shows inconsistency in staff behavior.

i play a lot of mount and blade warband, especially napoleonic wars dlc. and usually in servers like NRP whenever the admin is constantly switching the map or slaying people for no reason, we have terms like badmin, sadmin, madmin, gladmin. gaymin is one i've heard only once or twice. from now on, you should totally implement these terms based on how the admin is being. in the case of the person who started this thread, it was the case of a badmin. simple ****ty actions. he wasn't sad or mad. also wasn't glad or gay.

isn't that just really crappy left wing beliefs in a nutshell? he already had a version of the hat, so rather then excersise his 2% chance of winning, he should just ignore it?



he would have been oppressing other players had he got the hat.

or they could just ban you. that's not weird at all. pretty normal considering how things have been run lately.

It would create a lot more effort for devs, but take it from Era, if there was some kind of event house and instead of being rewarded a hat for winning, you get points and can then use those points to buy hats from an event shop, it would likely fix everything, no need to remove warpers, no need to have page after page arguments about the "proper" way to work events, anyone gets into an event, top 3 players for example get rewarded respectively 1,2 or 3 coins for winning an event and can choose from a whole range of hats in some kind of shop to choose from.

With regards to this, staff aren't obligated to give a winner another hat if they already have the one that was being hosted for. In this case, it may apply to the repeating winners as well. While it's not clear what exactly happened here, whether dual kicked him out of the event or something else happened that caused his character to be booted out, staff can choose whether or not they will give a replacement hat or let someone win twice. Most staff that don't intend to have made a note to announce it at the start of the event or in the event message since incidences of it occured.

There isn't one. It would vary on the staff member hosting but of course there will be a limit.

The events were hosted for 2 seperate hats tho and he didn't have the second one he had won for yet got kicked for winning the first event already

Easy hints actually made it harder for "event guilds"

Think about it this way;

Hard hint: the event Guilds, who have the most "hint" experience, find the warper quickly and send a gc message. They get a lot of members in, since it's a tough hint and single players(unexperienced ones) or newer players won't find the warper unless by chance.

Easy hint: 75% of players can find the warper, leaving very little time for event guilds to broadcast where it is since it will be filling up quickly. They will probably be able to summon a friend, if they're lucky.

RIGGED EVENTS I HAVE NOT WON A EVENT HAT SO ITS RIGGED !! ADMINS PLEZ BAN ALL WHO WIN FROM ENTERING AGAIN OR I SIGN PETITION ANND CONTACT GRAAL SUPPORT TO UN - ADMIN HOST !

There's a simple way to resolve all of this. Have an automated system set up for the rewarding of items. Most of the events hosted have very simple winning conditions. Something like a player reaching a specific spot in the level first is extremely easy to detect and shouldn't require an admin to judge (assuming fair play, but more on that later).

An event would be hosted by an admin who would nominate a prize set to use for whoever wins the event. The prize set would typically consist of a hat and its recolours. If a player already has all the items in the prize set, they would be awarded a nominal amount of graalats instead. The prize sets themselves would be established by a more senior member of staff( presumably someone who knows what they're doing).

An admin hosting an event should only have the responsibility of overseeing ( but at no point engaging with players) to ensure fair competition (i.e. no speed boosting, etc...), punishing players when necessary.

That would be more suited to an Events team, which classic doesn't have, rather than a GP or GFX admin hosting an event because let's face it, GP's for example would have a lot more on their plate than focusing on having events work perfectly everytime

GODDAMNIT IM STILL COUNTING HOW MANY TIMES THIS HAPPENS PIGPARTY.

THIS IS THE 5TH TIME.

No need to broadcast when it's an easy hint lol

yah, but if you have no need to broadcast that means everyone else won't have issues finding the warper? Changes nothing.

I particularly enjoy when there's warpers laid out in 2 or 3 areas and you kinda have to gamble on which one is the 'right' one. It sends people scattering all over the map and jumbles up the regular suspects a bit.

I was here to witness this happen (the winning in bush race & dodge). I was fairly confused as why we kept going after it stated that Nanner has won. There was no explanation to what happened to him, but to keep going.

Shut the hel up nana lol

With this said, The admin here is at fault he/she already stated the winner and yet have not rewarded the winner or have not explained the reason why the winner have not been given an award.

Having a new event system would be better so it would cause less fuss in the future since admins are apparently bad at explaining stuff, except for a handful.

Did nanner get a head start?

I agree with this.. why not let someone else have a chance at winning instead of being a greedy buzzard in the first place?

I do agree that if you already have a hat, it's pointless going into an event EXPECTING a replacement if you win, that's stupid. If it comes to hood colours or like the valentines roses back in February, that shouldn't be a problem because the admin would (or should) have every colour ready for whatever the winner picks, and if someone has the black hood and wins an event that's hosted for a hood, they should get a different colour, because they won, fair and square.

You ARE being greedy if you go into an event having prior knowledge that you own the hat that the event is being hosted for, and then going into an event assuming you will get a replacement for winning, THAT is greedy. Apart from that there is no other reason someone should step aside and "let someone else have a chance"

Plus, the past few events I have taken part in, have had easily 30 or more people (and the Fort event starts with 64 people in it FYI) and I personally don't look at what the hat is until I get in an event (I check even if I don't get in honestly, but the point is I check after I know if I'm in or not) but to simply assume that a player shouldn't take part in an event and saying they're a "greedy bugger" or a "jerk" if they do, is utter bull****, like I said earlier the Fort event has 64 players in it at the start (Bold because it's important to note) in absolutely NO way is someone entering an event disadvantaging anyone because that person already has a hat , it is NOT greedy because say 50 people are in an event, that is a 2% chance per player of winning the event (if you don't take skill of each player into account) so no, there is no reason to let "someone else have a chance of winning" because if you get into an event, you got into an event and it's just plain unlucky to whoever didn't.

My point is, that in every event there is a good 30+ people who take part, that means that you would compete against 29 other people for 1 winner in most cases, stepping into a warper already owning a hat doesn't guarantee that you will win, so it isn't the most god awful thing in the game to go into an event already owning a hat that it is being hosted for, you are not a jerk, and you are not greedy, as I said earlier expecting a hat because you won and already own that hat, THAT is greedy.

P.S Adding this after I reread it, I'm not trying to have a go at anyone, sorry if that's how it sounds, just wanted to share my thoughts on the whole greed deal, have a nice day/night.

No, you didn't. Give out x event coins for winning an event and let them buy a hat/item for Y event coints.

So I should not take part in it simply because you suck?

yo whenever I won an event where I already had the hat they gave me a different one - excusing the one time I won trivia and xor straight up dogged me and didn't allow it

I like this idea. Instead of a replacement hat, you get gralats instead

dud same except its 5 years for me ;0

The beautiful part about this is that it could be automated for some specific events (while others like sumo or team fort may still require monitoring). Chance, for example, could happen 3-4 times a day with zero input from admins... just random warper locations that appear at set times with a message that indicates that they are 'somewhere in the vicinity of [town].

but they can't, an admin would still be needed to watch out for hackers... what if someone enabled admin boots(not actual boots, but a hack achieving the same thing) and walked between the boxes?

That would just lead to a excessive amounts of admin hats.

These hats are "special" in a way since you have to actually be lucky enough to get into an event. Then win and then you get to have a little moment with a staff member. An automated system would just lead to a bunch of event hats to be distributed to the public.

I am not saying that it is a bad idea to have more event hats given out, it kinda defeats the purpose of winning events.

Why dont we have bot events every 15 minutes like in era? U pay 20-30g to join and 100-150 if u win

Most of them are related to skill in getting in, not luck. If you know your map, the hints get you a location. If you figure it out fast, you will get there and have a chance to win. If you don't get the hint or don't know the map, you won't get in unless you're just in the area randomly where the admin drops the warper.

(30+ Event hats winner)

They also do Admin Events like every ****ing day.

Also to note, why hasn't Classic got an Events Team yet? That alone can manage alot of time.

They do almost nothing now , i wait a wholeday and its a ****ing queue and i got 0.001 % chance of joining. Unless if some adamin decides he does warpers

I forgot to say that I was talking about Era, I apologize.