Posted by Thallen (Post 747382)

I don't see how you releasing a video like that shows any less bias than if staff were to have assigned spar moderators. That puts you in control of a lot of things: who to and who not to record, the conditions that you're recording under, etc.

So, what if you tell this person that you're recording them and that they shouldn't speed? What if I were to queue up in a spar against you and set my own speed to 95% and try to make others draw conclusions based off of that recording? The recording of Enmity has been around for years and you get laughed at if you ever accuse that guy of hacking at one point.

There was never even a fix for speeding on PC Graal. All it did was detect a few cheat windows and automatically close Graal if the process or window title was detected. If you ever hacked the speed of the process by more than ~10%, the window would also automatically close. At 10%, speed hacking should already be blatantly obvious to anyone without vision problems. Those measures were basically useless.

Ruxxter scripted pretty good speed detection for UN, but it was prone to false positives (as all will be) and you'd have to manually inspect the log to really know who was speeding. It'd send a triggeraction to the server from the client every second, and if the server sees that it's receiving 1.05 triggers per second, on average, then they're hacking their process speed by 5%. Any type of server or client lag bothers the script, and that's even considering that UN's server was way less laggy than iClassic's.

So regardless of what happens, there would have to have to be manual intervention. The "no one is unbiased enough" approach doesn't make a lot of sense to me when you consider that we already have GPs that have had ties to the community yet still manage to their job properly. I'm pretty sure the only person that gets openly accused of speeding by a large number of people is Carly, and it's for good reason.

Posted by James205 (Post 747384)

- Get my server side video recording of person accused speeding
- Get person accused of speeding clientside video (of same spar as above)
- Get my client side speed (of my speed on client side)
- Track FPS specific client side vs client side by both sides and compare to server side exact pixels by spar in question while also comparing to my client side.

Posted by James205 (Post 747384)

Not reading this but the idea is:

- Get my server side video recording of person accused speeding
- Get person accused of speeding clientside video (of same spar as above)
- Get my client side speed (of my speed on client side)
- Track FPS specific client side vs client side by both sides and compare to server side exact pixels by spar in question while also comparing to my client side.

This is very very precise. I have tested it a lot and it by far the most accurate proof if someone is speeding if they accept to participate to give me 30fps client side video for comparison. Way more than someone just blindly claiming a person is a speeder.

Obviously not everyone will provide footage so not realistic but if someone really wants to prove their case this works and like I said it gives VERY accurate results vs a server side eye test.

Posted by Thallen (Post 747387)

Of course you aren't going to read it, because rather than whining and accusing Dusty of not knowing what he's doing I'm actually explaining to someone who is dense and with no concept of how to fix the issue (you) why it can't be fixed


Do I even have to explain why this is stupid?

You are telling someone that you would like for them to hand over a video to you? And they're going to do it? While speed hacking? That's what you think?

Posted by James205 (Post 747389)

I'd give you money if you have a more accurate way.

Posted by James205 (Post 747389)

You aren't listening. I am getting video from 3 people who are accused. Have I said they are innocent?

No you don't understand how the tracking works and I am very very good at it. If I have 3 sources of footage to go by it is more accurate than one persons blind opinion by server side.

I don't think you realize how many people now are being accused of speed hacking, you are also one of them. Ridiculous right? This method actually does prove it if someone verifies to me that they think he person is speeding and the only thing I need from them is a 30FPS recording. Maybe you don't understand it but it is VERY accurate especially with client side footage.

So how can you possibly say this is stupid? The hardest part is getting cooperation from someone and I record on my side and they record their side and that's all. If someone is speeding they would be reluctant and the debate continues.

So yes explain to me how this is stupid instead of the blind witch hunting method. I'd give you money if you have a more accurate way.

Posted by Aguzo (Post 747391)

Posted by Fulgore (Post 747392)

What he's saying is that people will be glad to record for you...after they toggle their speed with the press of a key...

The source of the video can't be from the person being accused. It would have to be taken by another person while the accused is "speeding" and not be a video recorded from their side. Surely you can see the issue with this.

Posted by James205 (Post 747389)

You aren't listening. I am getting video from 3 people who are accused. Have I said they are innocent?

No you don't understand how the tracking works and I am very very good at it. If I have 3 sources of footage to go by it is more accurate than one persons blind opinion by server side.

I don't think you realize how many people now are being accused of speed hacking, you are also one of them. Ridiculous right? This method actually does prove it if someone verifies to me that they think he person is speeding and the only thing I need from them is a 30FPS recording. Maybe you don't understand it but it is VERY accurate especially with client side footage.

So how can you possibly say this is stupid? The hardest part is getting cooperation from someone and I record on my side and they record their side and that's all. If someone is speeding they would be reluctant and the debate continues.

So yes explain to me how this is stupid instead of the blind witch hunting method. I'd give you money if you have a more accurate way.

Posted by TeK (Post 747394)

I don't see why someone wouldn't just agree and then spend a day or two sparring without their hacks while you and they record the "proof"...

Posted by James205 (Post 747395)

I never said a day or two, it's progressive and again if it looks like speed hacking from multiple people I will use the source video. I am aware like I have said multiple times that a speeder would most likely toggle the speed off when it comes down to a situation like this. If they do then I would just make it inconclusive as no one else is saying the person is speeding.

Again I am very aware of this.

Posted by TeK (Post 747396)

If this method requires every spar your record to also be recorded by the alleged hacker, then they would always know when they were being recorded, right? So couldn't they just turn their hack off until the recording session is finished?

Posted by Zetectic (Post 747399)

Posted by Striken (Post 747400)

@James why don't you just replicate Carly's actions where she seems fishy as Zetectic has done lol

Posted by Zetectic (Post 747399)

Posted by TeK (Post 747401)

Zet this is obviously fake and you just slowed down the speed of the refenced noob account

Posted by Zetectic (Post 747399)

Posted by Thallen (Post 747414)

damn, best part is that the alt account Carly is destroying in that video is James

Posted by Thallen (Post 747290)

This guy? Him becoming a spar moderator on UN was about as confusing as unixmad hiring NaS as a PWA after he effectively keylogged the entire server

Posted by David (Post 747157)

Saying carly doesn't speed is the real life equivalent to being someone who believes the earth is flat

Posted by Aguzo (Post 747408)

"Even the blink of her eyes are faster"


The o-rings aren't against you zid

Posted by doomsday (Post 748296)

Have you ever noticed, when sparring a speeder they get hit a little faster than someone not speeding? Whenever I spar carly, her blinks can be hit after .3 seconds. Thus meaning Carly most definitely increases her speed by at least .5-1. Normal players get a speed of 0.6 pixels per second.

Posted by Colin (Post 748298)

half the spars on her account don't even belong to her

Posted by Red (Post 748350)

the Shadow vs Wonderbread series always makes me giggle tbh

Posted by Saeed (Post 749365)

there used to be more than 3 full hearts health back-then?? and what year was that?

Posted by Striken (Post 749367)

it's not iclassic lol

Posted by Saeed (Post 749369)

ooooooo I though that's how it looked like in the olden times.

Posted by Nanner (Post 746430)

Why hack graal? lol. Your much better off hacking mw2 and doing more fun ****

Posted by Red (Post 750295)

Glad I hit 20k so I don't have to spar for any sort of goal anymore.
So many people speed and health hack right now, like 90% of them have either uploaded a custom head or body or spent gralats on a hat. And nearly all of them are Brazilian or pinoy. Is there someone spreading cheat engine around to these people or something?

Posted by TeK (Post 750296)

New goal: top 50 wins

Posted by Red (Post 750298)

I literally need to win 300 spars to do that

Posted by Red (Post 750295)

Glad I hit 20k so I don't have to spar for any sort of goal anymore.
So many people speed and health hack right now, like 90% of them have either uploaded a custom head or body or spent gralats on a hat. And nearly all of them are Brazilian or Pinoy. Is there someone spreading cheat engine around to these people or something?