Posted by JesterTheCat (Post 744542)

Thats why N-Pulse did so well right? You really did a good job :). I mean feel free to leave Zone instead of banding a team together to get your point across. Xor didn't approve, Homeless Witch didn't either and Carlito also was not in favor.
Leave Zone because no one is worried that you left especially now that global management had to get involved and deemed your and your friends involvement as toxic
Get a clue.

Posted by PigParty (Post 744561)

this thread turned to ****.

Posted by Bryan* (Post 744570)

Zone has always been that way since it's release...

Posted by CaptainOscar (Post 744583)

Yeah sadly I have to agree with what you said. Am I contributing to it's toxicity right now? Yeah, you probably assume that but I'm doing it with the intention for change because I've seen the good in Zone's community, Cody has seen it and so has Pig, perhaps because that's one of the reason we still care about this server. My primary intention wasn't to put anyone down, but personal feuds clouded my original intentions, thus leading me to personally attack other people, and for that I'm sorry. All that simply is requested at this point is change, current management isn't working and dysfunctional.

Posted by CodyGraal (Post 744605)

It's alright Oscar. Wednesday I am making a forum post and the truth will be released.

Posted by CodyGraal (Post 744605)

It's alright Oscar. Wednesday I am making a forum post and the truth will be released.

Posted by Regius M. (Post 744635)

o snap, drama inbound!

Posted by Advent (Post 744624)

so wait this thread turned from suggestions to improve zone to make assumptions about staff teams without any actual evidence

wat

stop the propaganda pls

Posted by Weeno (Post 730328)

I could care less (i dont actually mean that) but zone needs some serious gfx improvement. Asap not even asap but like rn.

Posted by CaptainOscar (Post 744639)

How wrong you are :)

Posted by Advent (Post 744663)

at this point of graal's life i keep a neutral opinion on the staff unless something major or repetitive minor actions happen

stupid decisions, mistakes, and statements does not mean that zone's staff team is like the ****ing nazi party


i see zone's development and progress as sort of understandable, it's the smallest ios graal, the community as of ios graal as a whole is about 65-75% roleplayers and people using graal as a dating website, and nowadays there are less and less developers and gfx artists for graal, why do you think the ol west's gani applications are still open for over an entire year

Posted by CodyGraal (Post 744674)

You make a really good point in your entire statement. I would agree with you, keeping a neutral opinion should be exactly what you do, its what I would do. However I worked on the team for almost 4 or 5 months, and I can confirm that I have seen the third reich. Okay maybe not as bad, bit of a stretch there.
Oscar knows how the team is as well. It not that we are random players bashing on a staff team we hardly know. We worked with them so we would know them on a whole different level than you. Companies always present themselves two ways, one to the public, and one to their staff. Zone is the same. You give a kind of crappy approach in public (or good however you examine it) and you get crappy treatment on the staff team. If you read earlier you can find where I talked about how I raised the staff team back up from 0 and now its down to 1, 2 if you count Jackoh, I usually don't. The entire team left due to management. Look at the amount of levers we have. We lost a talented individual named John to the same reason. As for graphics they lost Xer, someone who was popping out like 10 hats a day because he was dedicated af. There is always a cause and effect to these kinds of things.

Posted by Kiri (Post 744547)

but does the community realize that the journey hasn't even begun? it's like legit complaining about a trip when your family is in the middle of packing lol

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/upload...opcorn-Gif.gif

Posted by PigParty (Post 744742)

They aren't going to make new hat shops all the time

Posted by Regius M. (Post 744751)

I know, also GFX submissions for stuff would bring in a lot of cool content.

Posted by Rosewald (Post 744679)

Tay made most gfx prizes in the maze, and made the maze itself. Thats just listing one thing :) so yeah he has contributed <3



You did work with them cody and you are very talented!

You were also fired for inappropriate behaviour against staff, so i assume you must be pretty annoyed that someone has actually pointed out your wrongs and you got punished for it :/

You're just making yourself look hypocritical and immature.

Posted by PigParty (Post 744718)

I know this was done before Chelt came but Tay has been inappropriate to staff much more than any staff member has. I can safely say that without even knowing what Cody has done or said. Tay wasn't disciplined at all. Luckily (for me) soon after, Tay wasn't able to get on a PC and by the time he came back I had already quit. There's plenty of other cases of staff being inappropriate or downright abusive without having been disciplined. That was one of the major reasons I left.

Posted by CodyGraal (Post 744794)

Rosewald, when you were on the staff team it was way before anything went down with me. I wasn't fired for "inappropriate behaviour" apparently I was fired for racism and harsh insults. The harsh insults I can sort of understand and should be expected when someone says "let's make all auction items free or purchasable in shops" Stuff that ruins the game even more than its already ruined deserves harsh CC. As for the racism I will be happy to show the proof that proves I wasn't actually racist. This applies to everyone if you care, just shoot a message. I don't care that someone pointed out my wrongs because I can just use that and better myself in the future. I care that people told utter BS about me to get me fired because they couldn't take their corn maze being complete trash.



Perfectly said PigParty. The issue is I didn't kiss complete ass to secure a spot where I could continue being a jerk to people. Stuff like that I'd why zone will never succeed with its current management. I mean you have people in charge who think that just because someone is nice to them that they deserve a higher rank or more power. Tay for example. My last few days working there, a guy from Delteria said that Tay and Silvers scripting were on the same level. Tay recently just started vs silver who has been scripting for a long time. That's your problem on zone. You kiss ass: you get rights beyond your dreams.

Posted by Rosewald (Post 744804)

I am apart of the team lmao, and in your statements you said "I wasn't fired for "inappropriate behaviour" apparently I was fired for racism and harsh insults." What is your definition of inappropriate behaviour? Because i would say racism and harsh insults is inappropriate.

Posted by Rosewald (Post 744807)

Then in that case that was freaking ages ago lmao

Why are u still butt hurt? xD

Posted by Rosewald (Post 744814)

like just say if you were lied about (which could have happened but i doubt it, cant confirm it or disprove it) what are you trying to gain?
No one cares how upset you are

Posted by Sylvi (Post 744826)

im laughing so hard and im drunk cause rosewald was riding alex and that other dude whatever else name is and attacked zone and people that defended chelt / jesterthecat i think it was because he was fired that time

made my day when he switch sides

i understand you rosewald i would switch sides too cuz team oscar are underdogs wasting time on dead ****

wat kinda ****** would try to bring back outdated servers man you prob had lethal amount of dose of marijuana or somethin

and to those guys who got fired from zone you guys need chillax y so angry and taking sides look what you guys did to rosewald.

is pigparty some ex manager i see him all the time ordering the server what to do and **** talk it every day its getting old if you not gonna help gtfo you dirty pork mouth

its always those all talk ppl who act like they're the **** after not being able to keep up with the other staffs

they are doing a good job yo give em some time they aint getting paid why the hurry its not like that silver and john dude did anything after they finished the tiles yo thats why they got fired

when people get fired there are reasons dont act like your 100% innocent guys. thx for the fun time

Posted by Advent (Post 744663)

at this point of graal's life i keep a neutral opinion on the staff unless something major or repetitive minor actions happen

Posted by Advent (Post 744663)

stupid decisions, mistakes, and statements does not mean that zone's staff team is like the ****ing nazi party

Posted by Advent (Post 744663)

i see zone's development and progress as sort of understandable, it's the smallest ios graal, the community as of ios graal as a whole is about 65-75% roleplayers and people using graal as a dating website, and nowadays there are less and less developers and gfx artists for graal, why do you think the ol west's gani applications are still open for over an entire year

Posted by CodyGraal (Post 744674)

if you count Jackoh, I usually don't.

Posted by Sylvi (Post 744826)

im laughing so hard and im drunk cause rosewald was riding alex and that other dude whatever else name is and attacked zone and people that defended chelt / jesterthecat i think it was because he was fired that time

made my day when he switch sides

i understand you rosewald i would switch sides too cuz team oscar are underdogs wasting time on dead ****

wat kinda ****** would try to bring back outdated servers man you prob had lethal amount of dose of marijuana or somethin

and to those guys who got fired from zone you guys need chillax y so angry and taking sides look what you guys did to rosewald.

is pigparty some ex manager i see him all the time ordering the server what to do and **** talk it every day its getting old if you not gonna help gtfo you dirty pork mouth

its always those all talk ppl who act like they're the **** after not being able to keep up with the other staffs

they are doing a good job yo give em some time they aint getting paid why the hurry its not like that silver and john dude did anything after they finished the tiles yo thats why they got fired

when people get fired there are reasons dont act like your 100% innocent guys. thx for the fun time

Posted by Rosewald (Post 744835)

Early on this year i did use to bring up problems on zone in these forums briefly, so yes you can say i did switch sides :) reason why is because i know how to go about the situation. Im actually helping the server instead of **** talking it daily.

The way Cody should have gone about it after being fired for toxic behaviour was apologise and say he will be better, not try and start more stuff.

Posted by Sylvi (Post 744831)

thank for clearing things up bro

i know cody has a bad temper he lit on fire when someone talks about his ex so his ban reason isnt non existant.

oscarbro its good you trying to back your believers
but i seen too many ex staff that get fired deny getting fired because they want to work at other servers when they get fired.

tay made some fancy gfx tho and chelt is a leveler i dont think it matters if a manager script or not
cuz even if you script wats the point if you dont even login

compare it with delt staff man their manager warlord cant script cant lat idk maybe he got his job with his shiny teeth only to have 3 players every day so thats why i said zone is doing a good job

Posted by Sylvi (Post 744831)

thank for clearing things up bro

i know cody has a bad temper he lit on fire when someone talks about his ex so his ban reason isnt non existant.

oscarbro its good you trying to back your believers
but i seen too many ex staff that get fired deny getting fired because they want to work at other servers when they get fired.

tay made some fancy gfx tho and chelt is a leveler i dont think it matters if a manager script or not
cuz even if you script wats the point if you dont even login

compare it with delt staff man their manager warlord cant script cant lat idk maybe he got his job with his shiny teeth only to have 3 players every day so thats why i said zone is doing a good job

Posted by Rosewald (Post 744835)

Early on this year i did use to bring up problems on zone in these forums briefly, so yes you can say i did switch sides :) reason why is because i know how to go about the situation. Im actually helping the server instead of **** talking it daily.

The way Cody should have gone about it after being fired for toxic behaviour was apologise and say he will be better, not try and start more stuff.

Posted by CodyGraal (Post 744853)

Lol my ex? Tf are you on lmao. How you tien that to a ban I'm still trying to figure out.



Yeah let me get right on apologizing for nothing. I'm presented with toxic behaviour via other staff members and then when I show some back I'm the faulty one? Sure I've been toxic before because I pick the right fights. Chelt wants gay pride days on zone? I fight it. He disables jetpacks? I fight it and find a solution. He wants purchasable zc? I fight it and find a solution. The list really goes on and on. Either way I wouldn't expect you to know because A: You were a regular graphics member, you had no role in administration chats. And B:You were there for such a short period that I actually forgot you were even hired

Posted by Rosewald (Post 744875)

Sure I've been toxic before because I pick the right fights. Chelt wants gay pride days on zone? I fight it. He disables jetpacks? I fight it and find a solution. He wants purchasable zc? I fight it and find a solution. The list really goes on and on. Either way I wouldn't expect you to know because A: You were a regular graphics member, you had no role in administration chats. And B:You were there for such a short period that I actually forgot you were even hired


I dont think you realise its your job to comply with manager or retire. You work freely for him, so if you didnt like it you dont start arguments on it. And what job did u have again? because im pretty sure it was levels or gani and compared to gfx department its not like you had a much more superior job or anything...

Posted by CodyGraal (Post 744889)

Gani admin. Meaning I ran my own department and I was included in all things that the managers and other department leaders discussed. I do work freely, meaning I have more of a say. If this was a paid job then I get part of what you are saying. But last I checked gralats aren't enough for me to blindly go along with stupid ideas that aren't pulling zone out of the hole it's in. If I was such an issue, they would have fired me day one because nothing had changed about me since then. Clearly I wasn't a main problem however considering how long I was left there. The focus of zone should be getting it out of the failing state it's in, not making it worse. You can act like Chely and everyone is a saint, like I said kissing ass is how you climb the ladder. But I'm not going to pretend that what they've done has been 100% beneficial to the server.

Posted by Rosewald (Post 744891)

Thats absolutely fin, i have questioned many things too, but i dont say anything and i try to take it upon myself to talk why i believe not about something specific, and dont resort to a harsh opinion.
I feel like you have good intentions but you are going about it the wrong way :/

Posted by Rosewald (Post 744891)

Thats absolutely fin, i have questioned many things too, but i dont say anything and i try to take it upon myself to talk why i believe not about something specific, and dont resort to a harsh opinion.
I feel like you have good intentions but you are going about it the wrong way :/

Posted by CaptainOscar (Post 744900)

Seriously speaking, I feel that we got of on the wrong foot. This fight shouldn't be Cody and I vs you, in the end don't we all want the same thing? We want to see Zone succeed and there's no benefit in suppressing our voices in the process. So Roswald let me ask you this question, Do you think Chelt and Tay are doing a good job?

We can accomplish a lot more on the same side, so how about we find some common ground and establish what really needs to get done to fix Zone?

Posted by Rosewald (Post 744904)

I dont know how long ago you guys were fired, but everyone in the staff team (including zp's) had a huge meeting and we listed our own ideas and voted for what we wanted. I do like how it is being managed currently. :) Now that may be a new thing, and thats why you guys thinks managing is bad atm but i like it.

Posted by G Fatal (Post 744915)

Remember when staff went through with there promises and statements on updates, me neither:giggle:

Posted by Rosewald (Post 744891)

Thats absolutely fin, i have questioned many things too, but i dont say anything

Posted by Rosewald (Post 744904)

I dont know how long ago you guys were fired, but everyone in the staff team (including zp's) had a huge meeting and we listed our own ideas and voted for what we wanted. I do like how it is being managed currently. :) Now that may be a new thing, and thats why you guys thinks managing is bad atm but i like it.

Posted by PigParty (Post 744929)

I mean, you gotta pick and choose what battles to fight, but I think it's a disservice if you don't speak up about problems that you deem important. You don't need to say anything publicly (unless you think you should) but you should bring it up to the proper people in the team. I've had that happen a few times that there were issues that I thought were so big that I had to make management deal with it. Sometimes, though, management didn't deal with it and I had to decide what to do from there. Anyways, no one wants a yes-man who blindly follows the leadership. Zone won't improve if its own staff won't speak up and recognize the problems that it faces.

Posted by CaptainOscar (Post 744930)

I was fired relatively long ago <3 and Cody was fired pretty recently but I can assume Tay has already told you this (One thing he's actually done for Zone is start a gossiping club!) Sure, it sounds nice that you have a voting process but how many of your ideas will actually get done? With Tay and Chelt in office I'll assume 0. :P

Posted by Rosewald (Post 744941)

After christmas ill tell you the plan we have rn, and u can judge for yourself :)
You can compare the teams idea against the final product and hopefully you'll be surprised ;)

Posted by Rosewald (Post 744941)

With how it is now we are encouraged to do so, but i meant to say to Cody there are situations where i feel like my idea for a holiday couldve been better, but the majority goes the other way. Thats how life is, i didnt complain, i voiced what i wanted and it went into a better path.

Just trying to get him to relate and see how it happens to everyone but he didnt go the best way about it :) i love how the team is rn