Goody two shoes supporting the jail system. jk.

Im gonna have to go with both. Like geno said extreme acts like death threats, sexual harassment, and hacking deserve the jail. Things like cursing deserve ban. Take it from me, one time I got jailed ten rocks just bc I said the word "gay" I swear. And it wasn't in harassment. Sad how admins were butthurt about the word only last year. I guess whoever jailed me was playing around with the new jail system and wanted to jail some

Oh that reminds me. We will also add more words to the swear filter and maybe add more features. But "Gay" is definitely going off the list. It's not an insult, people just use it as one. It's like putting the word "Black" into the swear filter



You guys can always send in a Ticket with a ban appeal. If we have evidence of you doing it, your ban or jail time will not be lifted. If we don't, then we normally make you a free man

I like geno's idea. Use that mk. Add both systems.

Chelt, y u no answer my pms? :(

Talking about his management while you waste your time arguing about nothing. Please go find something else better to earn up them rep points please because the a Zone staff have better things to do than worry about what you are saying.

Removing the jail system was a big mistake.

True^^^ Mining was Fun and Ez.

If they have better things to do, then they shouldn't waste their own time by responding to these posts. It's not Yog's fault that Zone staff can't help themselves from responding to posts that they seem to deem pointless and a waste of time.

rekt

You clearly haven't been on Graalians for a while. There's a whole situation going on with the manager position, and some are feeling cheated over it, and yet seeing how Chelterrar still has the guts to talk as arrogant as he does is sickening. But of course knowing your past attitude you'd be totally fine with such a thing.

I want players mining "Rocks" if they are banned beacuse it's players fault why they are banned. But i want the Hours Banned+Same IP Adress banned beacuse they can used Another account to Hack/Harass/Sell For US Dollars i hope Same, IP Adress banning players is work! but about the Kind brother/sister just don't add his/her Brother/sister Jail History :) add them who got banned :)

IP ban doesn't work. All it did was ban them if they reconnected on another account, but it still let them make an account and stay on as long as they want. There was no check for new accounts being made to check if the IP matches anyone currently jailed.

We are against banning whole households using the same IP just because one person messed up. Let them use their noob accounts, yet the main account always is the most important to show off and play with. And they have no access to that one, thats our main goal

If a sibling plays Zone and gets IP banned, they can send a ticket and get unbanned easily. Why are you even having a ban? Main accounts aren't that important. If I was banned, I have friends who could let me borrow their rippers, a 1 of a kind hat, and anything I want until my main is unbanned. Why even have ban if you - the manager - is saying "let them use their noob accounts". I think you're forgetting the point of banning someone. It's not to ban their account - it's to ban that actual player. That player has done something to hinder the gameplay of someone else or general gameplay. The point of banning them is to get them off the game for a period of time. Not to let them do the same ****ing thing on a noob account. Come on.

how about you lose all of your g if your jailed?

For Chelt who **ing doesnt understand why your current ban system is **ing stupid,

Example, there's a player bullying another playing, telling them to kill themselves or something horrible, the bullied player reports the bully to a Zone Patrol, bully gets banned. Then bully goes into a noob account and continue to bully the person again and again until the main account is unbanned. Now tell me chelt, what's the purpose of your ban system? If the banned people doesnt learn their lesson?

Smh chelt, seems like you didnt plan this thoroughly enough. Your ban system is a dumb idea.

The current ban system doesn't prevent this either...

Okay, cause that's what's happening on every other Graal server, right?

Imagine if every sibling has to send in a separate ticket to be unbanned. And how do we know it's a sibling and not a noob account. If your being harassed simply block and report them. Nobody asks you to listen to the crap people say.

I'm sorry but a lot of people won't actually do labour for a graal game. And I personally think it's an improvement. And most of the team shares that opinion. The player base is divided about it. But people always need to get used to change. So there you go. We have our reasons to do it like this and not any other way :)



Yes. I agree! We would have to block out every IP and device ever connected to this IP and every IP that was ever connected to that device. And every device connected to that IP. You get my point....

Plus they could always use a VPN and stuff like that

I could just go play another game if i got banned, at least with jailing id have to work for my acc back which would probably make me not want to do it again

Or ya know...
http://i.imgur.com/7zgfXTq.gif
But I probably shouldn't be sharing my elite 4chan hacker skills to the public.

If I got jailed, real talk- I'm never getting unjailed. lmao. Or ill pay someone like pig to mine for me.

I'm not mining. Js.

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And i bet you'd never do what you did again, right? Now if you just played a different game for a day or two you'd learn nothing. I always thought the punishment system was way too relaxed at first, especially during the time i was staff, and now its even more relaxed

Any sort of punishment system revolving around labor is unheard of in any suspension meant to improve a player's attitude. The only way I could see to combat what you guys have a problem with this system is to offer permanent bans, which isn't the point of the system. It's to show players that they have stuff to lose. By permanently banning a player you're just giving them more of an incentive to play on an alt instead of waiting. Same goes with the mining system; They're more likely to abandon the account and play on an alt.

It works tho. Im not saying make them do like 1000 rocks but even 20 is enough to make them probably not do it again, which is the point of it. If anything its a lot more relaxed than some games that will do much worse. If someone abandons their account over 20 rocks then theyre just being a baby over something they caused, they shouldnt have done the crime in the first place, people old enough to play should know not to bully, hack, glitch, abuse, etc, thats their fault, why should things be relaxed on them so they could just do it again?

No. I would then quit and then give everything I have away and instead play Albion like my friend SKT has told me to for the last year... Oh wait. My bad. I thought I was Amer there for a moment.
#AmerWasInnocent #NoProof

Like actually, if I ever get rocked I wouldn't even mine. First thing I'd do is ask for proof. Then if that doesn't work I'd pay someone to do it. Then I'd do it again knowing that I did nothing wrong and that the system is broken.

Like even for 1 rock, I would loe kii start an entire petition to unban me.

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Like I said though, no proof.
Proof in trials are for the public, not the criminal. They know what they did or didn't do. They always do... Well in some cases they dont... But shh.

Want to know why the general Graal player always takes their friends sides? No proof if ever given. Mad sketch.

And that's what causes people to get angry and upset when they're banned. Whether they did or didn't do what they're accused of, having no proof to justify the claims makes the entire process seem one sided, making overall Admin approval low, making Zone spirits low.

There's not enough evidence to suggest that it works. "Maybe" isn't enough of a reason to stray from a method that is commonly used and has been proven to improve player's attitudes.

Ry has been 200 rocked jailed like 5 times. Still abuses bugs.

He pays people to do them for him.

If someone's going to cheat the system, it's funny to think that they wouldn't cheat it after they're caught.

I miss regular bans. My 2 month ban on Classic in 2009 changed the way I saw Graal.

That made me stop being a prick k. If I was told to mine back then like we do now, Id finish it ASAP and then do what I was doing before.

2 months is a long time. I've seen people finish rocks in like two days. (then again this was before we could just make alts ez... So yea)

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I like them updates k nabs

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Nothing is 100% due to the individual so "maybe" is a valid reason still. And this is why i suggested to use both systems, too many flaws by just going with one, ban the little stuff and jail the big stuff and it'll be far more effective than just going with one

"Maybe" would be a valid reason if there wasn't already a system that other servers and games use effectively. It's the major offenders that are more likely to evade a ban by creating an alternative account. Making the ban require labor is just going to give incentive to abandon the account.

Well they shouldn't have done what they did, thats their fault

I'm not trying to justify their actions. I'm trying to explain how the mining system doesn't give enough incentive to improve your behavior.

I get what you're saying but how does banning provide incentives to improve behavior? No one said mining rocks will prevent someone from evading jail, but them evading jail doesn't help them get unjailed. That's the point. Plus, mining rocks is a good deterrent because many people won't want to mine rocks.

You have to find the perfect balance between a punishment, and having the player want their account back. Otherwise you're just going to have people who feel cheated by some sort of cheap gimmick of a suspension, and that won't give any sort of incentive to improve behavior if they've already abandoned their account. It's the same reason permanent bans are very rare.

Thats why i said do both. Also, no ones telling them to abandon their account, if anything that should be the least of the worries here. They should be happy theyre still allowed to play, even hackers usually only get jailed where other games would erase all your stuff. They still get to play, they have some work to do to make up for their wrong doing but thats all, if they don't want to take responsibility for their actions and act like an immature kid and quit, so be it, so be it, you can't blame the jailing system on that

When somebody hacks on Albion we recruit them to the team.

But zone would never do that. Like when someone abuses the system they'd never get rewarded right? @ShadowAndHero #PewPew

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I explained in my earlier post why both systems wouldn't work. Also I never said anything about them quitting.

permanent bans are non-existent in zone. Pandavi has been perma banned a couple times, then the manager feels bad and unbans him. As if him stealing accounts multiple times isn't enough.

Chelt have you finished the system yet?

I guess you haven't read the news?
http://imgur.com/hFJG8F8.png

Sorry I'm to busy irk...

I'm still not unbanned bro

Ok, hopefully they keep it that way because all you do is spam useless comments such as this, we get it. No need to spam tons of threads the same comment. If you were smart, you would of personally contacted a member of staff about this problem rather than spamming forums, which will do jack squat.

Exactly my point. The intention of suspensions is to improve behavior. If you're making it harder for users to be unbanned you're just giving more incentive to evade bans, rendering the whole system useless.

Making it harder can also work btw

I see both sides. If I was jailed for 10 rocks (lowest punishment) for general harassment or something, I would just quit Zone. But I also would be scared as hell to harass someone (or at least to get caught) because I don't want to have to mine rocks because I know I won't.

There needs to be a written down system of rules, like jailing is for bigger charges of harrassment like bullying or sexual harrassment, little things like calling someone a bad name should be just a ban. 10 rocks isn't too bad btw, i don't see it as a reason to quit. Buuuuut another idea is to change the punishment itself, rocks is kinda "eh" when it comes to a type of punishment, if we find a better punishment and enforce it along with the ban it should work out way better. But I still think just one is not enough, its too flawed to work out in a majority of cases, no system is perfect but a combination of them can yield better and more fair results.

Geno I think its good if we use both systems like you said. It depends on the problem for example hacking will be labour but swearing would be hours. Depending on how high the offense is

Didn't classic change their ban system to require you to be on for it to count down? Or didn't they at least try it temporarily? That could be good. At least it would still require you to be on your account, so evading ban still wouldn't help you out.

Thats a much better way than what it is now.

Yeah the problem is what it i cant do that im always out or something or my internet doesnt work. Ill never finish the ban. Also what if its a ban of 2months+ i mean shït do i really have to leave my phone / computer on for that long?

I don't think so.