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MrSimons 06-19-2016 09:03 AM

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Posted by deadowl (Post 715655)
Biological sex is not as straightforward as you think. You've got people who aren't XY-Male and XX-Female. There's people with XXY, a single X, an X paired with a partial X, 5-alpha-reductase deficiency, you name it.

I had a friend (male) had some sort of weird thing going on with his chromosomes. Was a normal dude but his body didn't produce Test like it should've (that's as far as I know, prob had some other **** going on). So I wouldn't really say this is the whole gender thing people are concerned about.

Mangsi 06-19-2016 09:14 AM

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Posted by Yog (Post 715725)
You can think what you want, but the problem is when it comes to those who genuinely think their biological sex is something else. This can cause issues with things like medical treatment which can differ from gender, to throwing blame on someone in a social situation when they aren't to blame.

If you want to call yourself a made up gender, that's fine. But once you start to harm other people when they do nothing wrong, you're a moron.

I'm surrounded by a VERY large community of trans folks, and I can certainly say none of them actually believe their biological sex is different than they on they were born with. We all know and accept the fact that we were born the way we are, but are actively trying to change it.

A lot of trans people wait to get their gender marker changed on things like birth certificate, and medical records, for medical reasons. Like, sure, I could go out and get my gender marker changed to male, but I could also develop ovarian cancer, and that would **** things up.


So, someone may start cross sex hormones, get surgeries, and things like that. But until you have that final bottom surgery, you're still physically *born sex*. That does NOT make someone "born gender." because I believe you can feel like a different gender than you were born as, and you can change it.

Yog 06-19-2016 10:21 AM

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Posted by Mangsi (Post 715741)
I'm surrounded by a VERY large community of trans folks, and I can certainly say none of them actually believe their biological sex is different than they on they were born with. We all know and accept the fact that we were born the way we are, but are actively trying to change it.

A lot of trans people wait to get their gender marker changed on things like birth certificate, and medical records, for medical reasons. Like, sure, I could go out and get my gender marker changed to male, but I could also develop ovarian cancer, and that would **** things up.


So, someone may start cross sex hormones, get surgeries, and things like that. But until you have that final bottom surgery, you're still physically *born sex*. That does NOT make someone "born gender." because I believe you can feel like a different gender than you were born as, and you can change it.

I'm not talking about trans, since I believe only two genders exist. I have no problem with someone wanting to be one or the other.

Thallen 06-19-2016 10:35 AM

bunch of Tumblr users ITT

CM 06-19-2016 05:35 PM

I know this is a joke but this is for everyone who says 'there's only two genders':

And according to the World Health Organization, "Sex refers to the biological and physiological characteristics that define men and women. Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women."

So technically there are two sexes, but there can be multiple genders.

themoreyouknow

deadowl 06-19-2016 08:02 PM

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Posted by percy (Post 715662)
Then people would put stupid crap like "Potato" and "Bleach"

And that wouldn't tell you something more about that person?

G Fatal 06-19-2016 08:52 PM

Are these the new pokemons

Mangsi 06-19-2016 08:57 PM

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Posted by G Fatal (Post 715862)
Are these the new pokemons

*gendermon

Albie 06-19-2016 09:04 PM

Mangsi, if you're born with a ****, you're a dude.
If you're born with ****, you're a chick.

However tumblr, hipster or different you want to be, you are what you are born as.

CM 06-19-2016 09:11 PM

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Posted by Albie (Post 715867)
Mangsi, if you're born with a ****, you're a dude.
If you're born with ****, you're a chick.

However tumblr, hipster or different you want to be, you are what you are born as.

Wow I didn't know being transgender is the new hipster fad. I'll go hire a psychiatrist so they can diagnose me with gender dysmorphia and then pay hundreds of dollars to get a sex change and take multiple hormone-inducing pills so that I'm not left out.

Yeah but no, if you are born as a female but get a sex change and now identify as a male, you identify as a male. being 'tumblr' or 'hipster' doesn't even make sense. people don't get sex changes, deal with ridicule from the public and deal with ignorant people like yourself because they want to be "different".

Mangsi 06-19-2016 09:17 PM

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Posted by Albie (Post 715867)
Mangsi, if you're born with a ****, you're a dude.
If you're born with ****, you're a chick.

However tumblr, hipster or different you want to be, you are what you are born as.

You wanna see my ffing diagnosis? ALL my doctors beg to differ.

Being transgender is not a fad. If it was really a fad, would I be starting HRT within a few months, and would I be making plans for surgery in the future?
Would THOUSANDS of kids be killing themselves because jackasses like you don't give two ****s about them?
Respect is a two way street.

Albie 06-19-2016 09:19 PM

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Posted by Mangsi (Post 715872)
You wanna see my ffing diagnosis? ALL my doctors beg to differ.

Being transgender is not a fad. If it was really a fad, would I be starting HRT within a few months, and would I be making plans for surgery in the future?
Would THOUSANDS of kids be killing themselves because jackasses like you don't give two ****s about them?
Respect is a two way street.

Born with a ****, you're a guy until you get an operation to change that. Sorry my dude

Mangsi 06-19-2016 09:25 PM

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Posted by Albie (Post 715874)
Born with a ****, you're a guy until you get an operation to change that. Sorry my dude


If you are transGENDER that means your GENDER is different than your Born sex. You don't need surgery to change your gender. You need surgery to change your sex. My gender is male. My sex is female. if you can't respect me, or anyone else who feels the same way, I can't respect you.

Bryan* 06-19-2016 09:29 PM

Your DNA deciphers what you are

Aaron 06-19-2016 09:49 PM

/thread
sry for quality

http://i.imgur.com/RwsE9rT.jpg

Brick 06-19-2016 11:27 PM

I'm not trying to pick a fight, this is actually a serious question, but what makes a male a male or a female a female if not for their sex? Is it determined by behavior? Personality?

Albie 06-19-2016 11:28 PM

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Posted by Mangsi (Post 715876)
If you are transGENDER that means your GENDER is different than your Born sex. You don't need surgery to change your gender. You need surgery to change your sex. My gender is male. My sex is female. if you can't respect me, or anyone else who feels the same way, I can't respect you.

Read Aarons post lol

You are what you are born as and the only thing that's going to change that is surgery.

If I said right now "I want to be a girl, I am a girl" would that make me a girl? No it wouldn't. Would that give me the female gender? No it wouldn't.
Why? Because I'm a male, and I was born male. Until I get surgery to change that, I'm a male in sex, gender or whatever you want to call it.

Admiral 06-19-2016 11:34 PM

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Posted by Brick (Post 715899)
I'm not trying to pick a fight, this is actually a serious question, but what makes a male a male or a female a female if not for their sex? Is it determined by behavior? Personality?

I was thinking about this, and gender just seems pointless. You can be a boy and like 'girl things' yet still be a boy, same goes for girls too. It's like gender was created out of expectations - boys were expected to do x while girls were expected to do y - and now since it's 2016 and most people are cool with everything people just want to stick labels on things.

I understand that body dysmorphia is a very real thing, but do feel bad for those that feel they can't meet society constructs/ 'expectations' of their sex so must identify with a gender.

Mangsi 06-19-2016 11:40 PM

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Posted by Brick (Post 715899)
I'm not trying to pick a fight, this is actually a serious question, but what makes a male a male or a female a female if not for their sex? Is it determined by behavior? Personality?

It's determined by how you feel on the inside. To just assume that someone is a specific gender by their personality, or behavior, is quite odd, IMO. You can never just know someones gender, because some people, like me, identify as male, but have very feminine personality traits. So it all depends on what the person identifies as.

Now, how people know they are their gender, differs from person to person. I know I'm male, because I never felt female in the first place. There's no one thing that told me I was male, I just always knew.

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Posted by Albie (Post 715900)
Read Aarons post lol

You are what you are born as and the only thing that's going to change that is surgery.

If I said right now "I want to be a girl, I am a girl" would that make me a girl? No it wouldn't. Would that give me the female gender? No it wouldn't.
Why? Because I'm a male, and I was born male. Until I get surgery to change that, I'm a male in sex, gender or whatever you want to call it.

Look, I get you're closed minded, but the least you could do is respect others for who they identify as, and now who YOU identify them as.

If you did, seriously say one day, "I feel like a girl. I identify as female." I would respect your choice and address you however you wished, be it female or male pronouns. Because it's the polite thing to do.

Distorted_P2P 06-20-2016 12:08 AM

Who even cares LOL? Let people call themselves whatever they want... Telling them they can't would be like telling a little girl she couldn't make-believe play princess
heh

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Posted by Mangsi (Post 715872)
You wanna see my ffing diagnosis? ALL my doctors beg to differ.

Yeah doctors don't diagnose transgender anymore, that would be saying it's a disease which it technically isn't anymore. But even if they did you have a terrible set of doctors and should switch right away, just like your gender

Mangsi 06-20-2016 12:17 AM

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Posted by Distorted_P2P (Post 715909)
Who even cares LOL? Let people call themselves whatever they want... Telling them they can't would be like telling a little girl she couldn't make-believe play princess
heh



Yeah doctors don't diagnose transgender anymore, that would be saying it's a disease which it technically isn't anymore. But even if they did you have a terrible set of doctors and should switch right away, just like your gender

I'm not going to go Into details, but basically I'm seeing a gender doctor. I have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria and I believe (believe believe believe) I was diagnosed as transgender. Definitely with gender dysphoria.

The Doctor 06-20-2016 12:27 AM

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Posted by Mangsi (Post 715911)
I'm not going to go Into details, but basically I'm seeing a gender doctor. I have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria and I believe (believe believe believe) I was diagnosed as transgender. Definitely with gender dysphoria.

A gender doctor? No offense, but are you bull****ting us?

Bryan* 06-20-2016 12:28 AM

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Posted by Brick (Post 715899)
I'm not trying to pick a fight, this is actually a serious question, but what makes a male a male or a female a female if not for their sex? Is it determined by behavior? Personality?


DNA

Mangsi 06-20-2016 12:43 AM

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Posted by The Doctor (Post 715912)
A gender doctor? No offense, but are you bull****ting us?

It's called an endocrinologist, they do HRT, puberty blockers and things like that. There are also gender therapists, which you have to see to get into an endocrinologist.
http://www.healio.com/endocrinology/...re-information
I'm not bull****ting any of you when it comes to gender and sexuality. I've experienced a lot of it first hand.

Distorted_P2P 06-20-2016 12:49 AM

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Posted by Mangsi (Post 715916)
It's called an endocrinologist, they do HRT, puberty blockers and things like that. There are also gender therapists, which you have to see to get into an endocrinologist.
http://www.healio.com/endocrinology/...re-information
I'm not bull****ting any of you when it comes to gender and sexuality. I've experienced a lot of it first hand.

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you should probably stop doing that bull**** and just live your life, major waste of time and energy (IMO) to change your gender

Mangsi 06-20-2016 12:54 AM

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Posted by Distorted_P2P (Post 715919)
yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you should probably stop doing that bull**** and just live your life, major waste of time and energy (IMO) to change your gender

okay, well I'm happy doing what I'm doing. So I think I'll stick to the path I'm on, thanks though.
Last post on this stupid thread, you guys argue all about how gender is defined by your sex or whatever. Bye.
*SJW mode deactivated*

Distorted_P2P 06-20-2016 12:57 AM

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Posted by Mangsi (Post 715920)
okay, well I'm happy doing what I'm doing. So I think I'll stick to the path I'm on, thanks though.
Last post on this stupid thread, you guys argue all about how gender is defined by your sex or whatever. Bye.
*SJW mode deactivated*

bro if you like dudes then pursue dudes, if you like females then pursue females, but why go through the expensive, prolonged, and ridiculously ******ed process of changing your gender when it doesn't even give you working organs so you can't ever do what you were meant to do

even if you go gay there is a way to reproduce, why not just live your life?

Mangsi 06-20-2016 01:07 AM

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Posted by Distorted_P2P (Post 715921)
bro if you like dudes then pursue dudes, if you like females then pursue females, but why go through the expensive, prolonged, and ridiculously ******ed process of changing your gender when it doesn't even give you working organs so you can't ever do what you were meant to do

even if you go gay there is a way to reproduce, why not just live your life?

*Last post I swear*

I'm not changing my gender for the fun of it. I'm not doing this to be different, or to attract attention. I am literally doing this, because if I stayed female I would have killed myself. I would be dead in the ground because all my life, I have felt like I was male, and being female drove me into serious depression, and suicidal sprials. I can not gve you a reason as to why I feel this way, or how it's different, because it's just a feeling. If you can't understand this, that's fine. But stop questioning me, or telling me I'm making **** up because you do not understand why I feel this way, and why so many others feel this way as well.

Being transgender has NOTHING to do with sexuality, btw.
Two totally different things.

deadowl 06-20-2016 01:10 AM

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Posted by Bryan* (Post 715879)
Your DNA deciphers what you are

DNA tells your body what proteins to produce. A person can have two X chromosomes and still be phenotypically male, or an X and Y chromosomes and still be phenotypically female. Not all human existence is limited to two sex chromosomes, and within those chromosomes not all of the protein production resulting from the DNA is going to be representative of what generally happens if you're identified as having that particular set of chromosomes. Some people have what looks like it could be either a ****** or a *****. Mind you, this is all precluding what influences a parent's body has during gestation.

The fact is that there is no single chromosome, no single gene, no single protein that dictates that dictate whether a person has a ***** or a ******, and some people are born with both or neither. Some people are born with a ***** or a ****** and then later start developing all of the phenotypical characteristics that are the opposite, e.g. breasts along with a ***** and a hairy chest and larger muscles along with a ******.

PumaD 06-20-2016 01:12 AM

There's only two gender. Male and not-Male. What's wrong guys?

Regius M. 06-20-2016 01:15 AM

this is wierd like wtf, that many genders?!

Aaron 06-20-2016 01:23 AM

I identify as a fuc*ing toaster foxkin demifluid blender, and I expect to be treated as such!

Liz 06-20-2016 01:37 AM

this thread is cancerous

Mangsi 06-20-2016 01:51 AM

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Posted by Elizabeth (Post 715940)
this thread is cancerous

I graciously accept responsibility for this.
My apologies.

Distorted_P2P 06-20-2016 01:53 AM

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Posted by Mangsi (Post 715923)
*Last post I swear*

I'm not changing my gender for the fun of it. I'm not doing this to be different, or to attract attention. I am literally doing this, because if I stayed female I would have killed myself. I would be dead in the ground because all my life, I have felt like I was male, and being female drove me into serious depression, and suicidal sprials. I can not gve you a reason as to why I feel this way, or how it's different, because it's just a feeling. If you can't understand this, that's fine. But stop questioning me, or telling me I'm making **** up because you do not understand why I feel this way, and why so many others feel this way as well.

Being transgender has NOTHING to do with sexuality, btw.
Two totally different things.

Gotta admit I totally thought you were a dude when I saw you. Pursue your dreams. I suppose I can't understand and it was wrong of me to try.

Liz 06-20-2016 01:57 AM

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Posted by Mangsi (Post 715942)
I graciously accept responsibility for this.
My apologies.

I meant all those unfortunately ignorant people.

If anyone is still confused between gender vs biological sex, take a look at this:

http://www.med.monash.edu.au/genderm...andgender.html

Mangsi 06-20-2016 01:57 AM

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Posted by Distorted_P2P (Post 715945)
Gotta admit I totally thought you were a dude when I saw you. Pursue your dreams. I suppose I can't understand and it was wrong of me to try.

Thank you.

@Elizabeth Ahhhhhhh okay, thanks for the link as well.

deadowl 06-20-2016 02:05 AM

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Posted by Aaron (Post 715931)
I identify as a fuc*ing toaster foxkin demifluid blender, and I expect to be treated as such!

I honestly wouldn't care if you put that as your gender in your profile.

CM 06-20-2016 02:21 AM

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Posted by Albie (Post 715900)
Read Aarons post lol

You are what you are born as and the only thing that's going to change that is surgery.

If I said right now "I want to be a girl, I am a girl" would that make me a girl? No it wouldn't. Would that give me the female gender? No it wouldn't.
Why? Because I'm a male, and I was born male. Until I get surgery to change that, I'm a male in sex, gender or whatever you want to call it.

lol have you ever even taken the time to understand the difference between gender and sex? They are two completely different things. They are not two words that mean the same thing. There are two sexes, and there are multiple genders. Biologically (sex) you are a male. Your gender is decided by you, NOT your sexual organs. Your gender can be female but your sex could be male.

Please, if you're going to be ignorant and close minded, at least understand the definition of the terms you are using (btw these terms were defined and created by the World Health Organization, so don't call them "tumblr" or "hipster").

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Posted by Brick (Post 715899)
I'm not trying to pick a fight, this is actually a serious question, but what makes a male a male or a female a female if not for their sex? Is it determined by behavior? Personality?

It's how you feel inside. For example, you know you're hungry or tired because you feel something inside of you. I am biologically a male and I identify as a male, however most of my friends are girls, I hate sports and I like guys. Most of those behavioral and personality traits could probably be used to describe a girl, but obviously I'm not a girl. I was born a guy and don't plan on changing to a girl.

tldr: it's just how you feel inside.

qes 06-20-2016 03:04 AM

LOL. so unneccessary. then again its graal, Male and Female genders are probably minorities.

Thallen 06-20-2016 03:10 AM

I have no problem with anyone who is gender-******ed, but it feels like pretentiousness when "issues" are brought forward like transgender bathrooms. Bathrooms may be separated for some sort of safety reasons, but also due to the different functionality of our genitals. So, If you have a ***** then go to the men's room, and if not then don't? Or, if you feel like you look masculine then go to the men's room? Use some honest self-reflection, I dunno. Seems pretty simple to me... I don't think it's nearly as much of an issue as they want it to be.

PumaD 06-20-2016 03:11 AM

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Posted by CM (Post 715955)
lol have you ever even taken the time to understand the difference between gender and sex? They are two completely different things. They are not two words that mean the same thing. There are two sexes, and there are multiple genders. Biologically (sex) you are a male. Your gender is decided by you, NOT your sexual organs. Your gender can be female but your sex could be male.

Please, if you're going to be ignorant and close minded, at least understand the definition of the terms you are using (btw these terms were defined and created by the World Health Organization, so don't call them "tumblr" or "hipster").



It's how you feel inside. For example, you know you're hungry or tired because you feel something inside of you. I am biologically a male and I identify as a male, however most of my friends are girls, I hate sports and I like guys. Most of those behavioral and personality traits could probably be used to describe a girl, but obviously I'm not a girl. I was born a guy and don't plan on changing to a girl.

tldr: it's just how you feel inside.

So if I like to play with dolls am I a girl, is my gender female? That explanation of yours is just as plain as this useless arguement and its participiants.

Zetectic 06-20-2016 03:24 AM

i support 'private, unknown, other' gender options.

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Posted by Thallen (Post 715979)
transgender bathrooms. Bathrooms may be separated for some sort of safety reasons

^only thing i am worried about right now.
transgender bathroom, *********s or rapist can easily dress up and identify themselves as a female and start harming people in the girl bathroom, and if men are serious about hurting girls, i don't think girls can really protect themselves.

CM 06-20-2016 03:30 AM

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Posted by PumaD (Post 715981)
So if I like to play with dolls am I a girl, is my gender female? That explanation of yours is just as plain as this useless arguement and its participiants.

Did you even read my post? Where did I even say that? Your gender is whatever you feel inside, like I said.

Ash Ketchum 06-20-2016 05:20 AM

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Posted by Weeno (Post 715401)

exactly what i was seeing

Aaron 06-20-2016 06:05 AM

MIND MY FXKING PRONOUNS!!!!!

Red 06-20-2016 07:19 AM

About the mangsi and albie argument, So I should care and respect people because they believe they are a different gender to what they are biologically? lol this is some of the most ******ed stuff that's been posted in a while.

CM 06-20-2016 07:20 AM

No, you shouldn't respect people "because they believe they are a different gender to what they are biologically", you should respect people because there's something called human decency (and also hello welcome to 2016).

If someone believing they feel comfortable identifying as a different sex warrants you to not respect them as people, well then that's some of the most ******ed (and ignorant) stuff that's been posted in a while.

btw i am talking about respect for people and their character, not for their decisions

Red 06-20-2016 07:42 AM

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Posted by CM (Post 716041)
No, you shouldn't respect people "because they believe they are a different gender to what they are biologically", you should respect people because there's something called human decency (and also hello welcome to 2016).

If someone believing they feel comfortable identifying as a different sex warrants you to not respect them as people, well then that's some of the most ******ed (and ignorant) stuff that's been posted in a while.

btw i am talking about respect for people and their character, not for their decisions

That's not what I mean, what I mean is that should I really give respect to someone because they are transgender and demand it? and the whole "It's 2016" thing means nothing.

CM 06-20-2016 08:10 AM

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Posted by ReD s. (Post 716043)
That's not what I mean, what I mean is that should I really give respect to someone because they are transgender and demand it? and the whole "It's 2016" thing means nothing.

I don't think Mangsi was demanding, if anything he was defending himself after Albie said being transgender is Tumblr/hipster, which anybody in that position would find offensive.


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