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Howler Wulfskie 05-01-2016 10:48 PM
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Posted by JackOh (Post 701054)
"Jackoh, you're one of the biggest pricks, yet the most useless, laziest person on the staff team, your opinion is irrelevant."

Loool, I made over 300 ganis for Zone, don't ever say I'm useless. Also, it is not an opinion, it's a fact.
And u keep record of that for a special accession I see

And for my record it wouldn't hurt to put a 2nd attack motion than 1 swing motion

JackOh 05-01-2016 10:49 PM
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Posted by Howler Wulfskie (Post 701057)
And u keep record of that for a special accession I see
Um? I see you just want to argue.

Howler Wulfskie 05-01-2016 10:55 PM
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Posted by JackOh (Post 701054)
"Jackoh, you're one of the biggest pricks, yet the most useless, laziest person on the staff team, your opinion is irrelevant."

Loool, I made over 300 ganis for Zone, don't ever say I'm useless. Also, it is not an opinion, it's a fact.



Who exactly are you? I know the reasons... He just wanted to buff the weapons he owns on his IOS.
Ik who i am I do gfx for zone you don't know his entire plan did u ever care to stop and think and just to ask him

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Posted by JackOh (Post 701061)
Um? I see you just want to argue.
Less than a argument it's more of a chat

thats your outlook on why he did that, he might have special reasons why he did it like it needed a buff or it was simply a horrible gun and needed a few modification

GenoIndeed 05-01-2016 11:06 PM
Viygeek, why is that something youre still complaining about? I told you why i did it, and then went and fixed it, thats a completely pointless statement. And jackoh, enough lying, stop.

Khai 05-01-2016 11:20 PM
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Posted by John98 (Post 701039)
Tier 1 and Tier 2 need to be fixed still.

Also jack is just a troll, he isn't lazy.
I can actually vouch for that.



What about me???????
You're a God

Howler Wulfskie 05-01-2016 11:44 PM
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Posted by ViyGeek (Post 701074)
You're a God
Interesting

John98 05-02-2016 01:36 AM
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Posted by ViyGeek (Post 701074)
You're a God
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Posted by Howler Wulfskie (Post 701086)
Interesting
A man can wish to be one.

Howler Wulfskie 05-02-2016 01:47 AM
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Posted by John98 (Post 701144)
A man can wish to be one.
I don't XD

PigParty 05-02-2016 02:13 AM
Jack wasn't lazy. He was just annoying as hell. I <3 you, though. I think Jack probably slowed down on ganis for zone because there was no motivation and he had been hired on Delteria (I think it was) where everyone wasn't incompetent. Hell, I started coming on once every 3 days to check tickets because there was no motivation, but I was previously one of the most active staff who put effort into Zone.

Platinum 05-02-2016 02:00 PM
the issue at hand is that nothing is being done to further Zone thanks to its incompetent staff team. Really, at the heart of this problem is that the managers, whether or not they're good devs, are poor managers.

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Posted by Weeno (Post 700449)
What are you waiting for? Apply
Lol

Unknown? 05-02-2016 05:09 PM
Watching you guys argue is more fun than playing zone. Ha..haha..hahaha. Funny.

PumaD 05-02-2016 05:40 PM
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Posted by Unknown? (Post 701394)
Watching you guys argue is more fun than playing zone. Ha..haha..hahaha. Funny.

So is watching gras grow.

PigParty 05-02-2016 06:23 PM
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Posted by Platinum (Post 701342)
Really, at the heart of this problem is that the managers, whether or not they're good devs, are poor managers.
This is exactly right. People get promoted because of their abilities, but no one bothers looking at leadership qualities when promoting, which is why departments hadleaders like Jack. ;) And which is why Zone's management was what it was.

Ghettoicedtea 05-02-2016 06:57 PM
So i read through the thread. Seems like our main problem currently is management. I only saw one recommendation and thats silver, no idea who he is. Only person i could think of is meph.

PigParty 05-02-2016 07:01 PM
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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 701421)
So i read through the thread. Seems like our main problem currently is management. I only saw one recommendation and thats silver, no idea who he is. Only person i could think of is meph.
who the hell is meph? Silver's a developer who has been with zone for a while.

Ghettoicedtea 05-02-2016 07:15 PM
Meph is a coder, he did a lot of work with iera and we all like him.

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Posted by PigParty (Post 701422)
who the hell is meph? Silver's a developer who has been with zone for a while.
Is he any good and will allow the staff to make the changes needed to zone or is he crap?

PigParty 05-02-2016 07:31 PM
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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 701427)
Meph is a coder, he did a lot of work with iera and we all like him.



Is he any good and will allow the staff to make the changes needed to zone or is he crap?
That's the problem. How is someone from era who never plays zone supposed to know what's best for zone? And I like Silver. I don't know how he would do exactly, but I sure as hell would choose him over anyone else right now.

Ghettoicedtea 05-02-2016 08:15 PM
Because meph actually played the original zone along with a very long record of graal in general. Also its not hard for anyone to figure out whats wrong with izone and what it needs. I just stated the major issues about izone in OP. As long as manager know what needs to be done (in OP) and allows staff to work on it, its not an issue at all.

Unknown? 05-02-2016 08:51 PM
get someone good at managing the server, idc who. Just get Carlito out of zone.

G Fatal 05-02-2016 09:46 PM
Does zone even have any staff anymore?

iDarkness 05-02-2016 11:01 PM
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Posted by GenoIndeed (Post 701016)
Before carlito, when i was there i had a lot of ideas i was preparing to implement, one thing i liked is that i was allowed to do them because alex and fr were open to ideas, issue was tho that there was times i needed them to fix/change something and it'd either take weeks for it to finally get done, or wasn't done at all. At that rate, progress wasn't were it should've been but things were moving so it wasn't too bad, they just needed to prioritize better and we'd be fine. Now, with carlito, we're barely even allowed to give ideas anymore because they'd just be ignored or instantly shot down with no discussion. And if he had an idea, which usually stemmed from his lack of zone knowledge because he doesn't even play the game, we were not allowed to make any disagreements on it no matter how bad it was (like his plan to intentionally make zone pay2win ((worst offense a game can make)) and his removal of my weapons admin position and make zp edit guns, which none know how to properly do the position (its more than it looks)), i got fired for constantly telling him that the pay2win thing was gonna kill zone, and he got mad when a few others and I were telling him removing the weapons admin position and making zp do it was bad (he did this because someone wanted work, and i offered to give them an assignment, thats literally what happened). A good leader leads, not controls, carlito wouldnt do a thing useful on the server and play league all day, but when someone wants to make some progress it always turned into some big argument, which tends to revolve around how "hes at a higher position and what he says goes" and led to rash decisions. He's power hungry, controlling, impulsive, and like i said to him and cheltarre and whoever else, this isnt me trying to bad mouth zone, ill be honest about whats going on and the fact that most of its negative needs to be a wake up call, not to carlito, but to unix about whats going on with his server, because its clear as day that our current management team isnt right for the job and need to be replaced with someone who respects his staff, is motivated, level headed, plays the game so he's knowledgeable, and will let creativity flow.
Damn that is the most true thing I have ever heard. Lmao.

Unknown? 05-02-2016 11:03 PM
Technically, We have but they dont do any shts. So nope. I don't acknowledge them as staffs.

John98 05-03-2016 12:11 AM
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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 701440)
Because meph actually played the original zone along with a very long record of graal in general. Also its not hard for anyone to figure out whats wrong with izone and what it needs. I just stated the major issues about izone in OP. As long as manager know what needs to be done (in OP) and allows staff to work on it, its not an issue at all.
It would be nice to put meph, but we need a manager who knows zone.
Silver has been around for a while.

iDarkness 05-03-2016 01:05 AM
Yeah silver has great ideas and could fix zone up nice if only he didnt have to go threw carlito for EVERY little thing in which then carlito declines 90% of and then the other 10% never get done cause carlito won't do anything but play league all day.

Skt A. Sangue 05-03-2016 02:01 PM
Why zone is bad and is still bad-

When you get rejected for literally "being annoying"...

Like wot.

That's not what a position should be put up for. At least not for things which deal with improvements k.

If that were true then Joe Biden wouldn't be Vp...

Cecily 05-03-2016 02:05 PM
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Posted by iDarkness (Post 701534)
Yeah silver has great ideas and could fix zone up nice if only he didnt have to go threw carlito for EVERY little thing in which then carlito declines 90% of and then the other 10% never get done cause carlito won't do anything but play league all day.
so are you saying silver only has ideas and every idea carlito approves must be done by carlito? what does silver do then?

Carlito shouldn't be the one that has to do everything, He's the dev manager. :unsure:

Platinum 05-03-2016 02:10 PM
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Posted by Cecily (Post 701661)
so are you saying silver only has ideas and every idea carlito approves must be done by carlito? what does silver do then?

Carlito shouldn't be the one that has to do everything, He's the dev manager. :unsure:
No. (Most likely) Silver does most of the work, however Carlito/managers has/have to approve everything for quality control, though he rejects it because 1. he doesn't like it or 2. he can't be bothered to implement it into the server or 3. the project is too large for the current staff team (or 4!! He's AFK or hasn't logged on to view it) . The current system unfortunately works in a way that everything must go up and through the hierarchy for anything to actually be done - resulting in the distinct lack of content/good **** in zone.

should like to say I don't know much about the process of upper levels of management.
Edit: HA! Beat you to it PigParty. He brings up some good points - coding is lacking.

PigParty 05-03-2016 02:11 PM
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Posted by Cecily (Post 701661)
so are you saying silver only has ideas and every idea carlito approves must be done by carlito? what does silver do then?

Carlito shouldn't be the one that has to do everything, He's the dev manager. :unsure:
Coding is the #1 problem. Things need coded. Silver knows some coding (I don't know the extent) but he also does levels. Management has always been the problem. Ideas come easy, but judgement, work, and leadership is what's needed.

G Fatal 05-03-2016 04:59 PM
Wait who's Carlito ? I got skype messages from him awhile back Ithink (Isn't he from delteria? or me thinking another person?) I highly disagree with these managers that always have to approve on something, if the majority of staff like and think could be good for game then there should be way round that, whats alex think of these ideas? .. When I was staff for zone I made my own project[never completed but done few stuff for it-mainly because I've only done basic scripts and that I didn't have rights for most stuff as a gfx(But everyone should have all/most on dev..] So if its idea's that have to be approved thats some bs even on Ol' for instance noone asked clown to make anything other than what was needed but he made house ingame that has working football scripts and also a quests to find books/keys etc around map.

Unknown? 05-03-2016 05:14 PM
I guess carlito is the 2nd in command of GraalOnline? Dunno.

Lambda 05-03-2016 09:16 PM
it would actually be nice if meph managed zone lol

Crono 05-03-2016 09:29 PM
again? but it never was.

GenoIndeed 05-03-2016 11:06 PM
It was until around the time skybases were removed, then it started going downhill from there. We're currently underground

Cecily 05-03-2016 11:08 PM
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Posted by G Fatal (Post 701708)
Wait who's Carlito ? I got skype messages from him awhile back Ithink (Isn't he from delteria? or me thinking another person?) I highly disagree with these managers that always have to approve on something, if the majority of staff like and think could be good for game then there should be way round that, whats alex think of these ideas? .. When I was staff for zone I made my own project[never completed but done few stuff for it-mainly because I've only done basic scripts and that I didn't have rights for most stuff as a gfx(But everyone should have all/most on dev..] So if its idea's that have to be approved thats some bs even on Ol' for instance noone asked clown to make anything other than what was needed but he made house ingame that has working football scripts and also a quests to find books/keys etc around map.
Alex was incredibly inactive so he resigned, looks like zone is in dire need of scripters and developers (since silver was the only dev on zone for so long, if im not wrong)

Zone could have had more developers / scripters if the old management wasn't so inactive. (alex/fried)

GenoIndeed 05-03-2016 11:15 PM
@Cecily, who are you btw?

G Fatal 05-03-2016 11:22 PM
If I was unixmad I'd tell delteria staff to get zone upto scratch(okay they haven't had much releases but the stuff on that server is quite good overall) give them the opportunity to make zone better in exchange delteria gets released(As I still doubt its release is near as how zone is atm)

Bwt so is this Carlito guy the manager and Silver (didn't he do levels i've not seen anything script wise etc about him) And if so who's doing the recruitment now? is there actually any highers in each category? As when I was there most gfx's left due to bad management-i.e the higher did fk all,yes you mr.simons. and the ones who did work wasn't rewarded even when me/others wanted to expand on stuff we had to moan for decade for the rights, even then it became a deadbeat relying on highers to do stuff.

Howler Wulfskie 05-03-2016 11:41 PM
Zone needs a new everything

Khai 05-04-2016 01:42 AM
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Posted by G Fatal (Post 701827)
If I was unixmad I'd tell delteria staff to get zone upto scratch(okay they haven't had much releases but the stuff on that server is quite good overall) give them the opportunity to make zone better in exchange delteria gets released(As I still doubt its release is near as how zone is atm)

Bwt so is this Carlito guy the manager and Silver (didn't he do levels i've not seen anything script wise etc about him) And if so who's doing the recruitment now? is there actually any highers in each category? As when I was there most gfx's left due to bad management-i.e the higher did fk all,yes you mr.simons. and the ones who did work wasn't rewarded even when me/others wanted to expand on stuff we had to moan for decade for the rights, even then it became a deadbeat relying on highers to do stuff.
Carlito is a PWA and Manager of Delteria. His Skype got hacked last time, prob why you got a message from him

iDarkness 05-04-2016 04:05 AM
Deltaria is a bigger mess then zone is, have you played it recently? It's got so many bugs that make it nearly unplayable

Platinum 05-04-2016 11:11 AM
Delteria should be merged with Classic, and its staff be transferred to Zone.

For those wondering, the staff team is (at 4/5/2016):
Manager: Fried Rice
Senior Developer: Silver
Levels: Hugop; Chelterrar; Daze
Graphics: Blany; Taylor; iDave;*Adoroar
Gani team: JackOh; Cody
ZP: Gold Adelphos; Brono

PigParty 05-04-2016 12:15 PM
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Posted by Platinum (Post 701968)
Delteria should be merged with Classic, and its staff be transferred to Zone.

For those wondering, the staff team is (at 4/5/2016):
Manager: Fried Rice
Senior Developer: Silver
Levels: Hugop; Chelterrar; Daze
Graphics: Blany; Taylor; iDave;*Adoroar
Gani team: JackOh; Cody
ZP: Gold Adelphos; Brono
u forgot Meaty and accidentally added JackOh.

Platinum 05-04-2016 01:15 PM
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Posted by PigParty (Post 701976)
u forgot Meaty and accidentally added JackOh.
Not according to the staff list.

Chelterrar 05-04-2016 01:31 PM
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Posted by PigParty (Post 701976)
u forgot Meaty and accidentally added JackOh.
The list is kinda not accurate, iZone currently has 16 active staff members (not counting the Delterians). 8 of those 16 are working on the Zone Patrol team

Currently working Delterians on iZone:
MysticalDragon as Manager
Nikki helping out the ZPs and also working on the sent in tickets
Adoroar is no Graphics staff + he is also from Delteria ^^
Me helping out with organization and planning mostly. Getting new projects on its way, getting stuff working, etc :) not really actively working on levels for me.

GOAT 05-04-2016 02:31 PM
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Posted by Chelterrar (Post 701988)
The list is kinda not accurate, iZone currently has 16 active staff members (not counting the Delterians). 8 of those 16 are working on the Zone Patrol team

Currently working Delterians on iZone:
MysticalDragon as Manager
Nikki helping out the ZPs and also working on the sent in tickets
Adoroar is no Graphics staff + he is also from Delteria ^^
Me helping out with organization and planning mostly. Getting new projects on its way, getting stuff working, etc :) not really actively working on levels for me.
They already ran a server into the ground, now they doing it to zone? lol

GenoIndeed 05-04-2016 05:26 PM
Idk why we need delteria staff, why have all these staff who don't even play the game doing all the work on it? We got these guys making the plans for something they know nothing about and ignoring the knowledgeable people.

Hugop 05-04-2016 05:44 PM
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Posted by PigParty (Post 701976)
u forgot Meaty and accidentally added JackOh.
Nope, Meaty left.

Official Levels Team: Hugop, Daze and cryptx

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Posted by Cecily (Post 701818)
Alex was incredibly inactive so he resigned, looks like zone is in dire need of scripters and developers (since silver was the only dev on zone for so long, if im not wrong)

Zone could have had more developers / scripters if the old management wasn't so inactive. (alex/fried)
No, he is still helping. He is listed as "Guest" on the staffsign, normally.

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Posted by Unknown? (Post 701714)
I guess carlito is the 2nd in command of GraalOnline? Dunno.
He is the "development manager" means our projects/ideas need to bypass him first.

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Posted by PigParty (Post 701666)
Coding is the #1 problem.Coding is the #1 problem.
I would say GS2 is the problem, but I am sure we have coders hidden in a different department, meaning if anyone would ask "can you help me with ...", someone would help.

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Posted by Unknown? (Post 701453)
get someone good at managing the server, idc who. Just get Carlito out of zone.
He is not managing the server, Fried does. In terms of powers and rights, nothing has changed, because Carlito is a PWA and could do that since the start (with Unix's permission)

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 701421)
silver, no idea who he is.
Same, maybe it's a typo.

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Posted by Chelterrar (Post 701988)
MysticalDragon as Manager
MysticalDragon (aka Carlito) as Dev Manager*

PigParty 05-04-2016 06:36 PM
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Posted by Hugop (Post 702032)
Nope, Meaty left.

Official Levels Team: Hugop, Daze and cryptx


No, he is still helping. He is listed as "Guest" on the staffsign, normally.


He is the "development manager" means our projects/ideas need to bypass him first.


I would say GS2 is the problem, but I am sure we have coders hidden in a different department, meaning if anyone would ask "can you help me with ...", someone would help.


He is not managing the server, Fried does. In terms of powers and rights, nothing has changed, because Carlito is a PWA and could do that since the start (with Unix's permission)


Same, maybe it's a typo.


MysticalDragon (aka Carlito) as Dev Manager*
GS2 is coding, it's just the language. And good for Meaty, he can do a hell of a lot better than zone.

Howler Wulfskie 05-05-2016 12:39 AM
Awwwww meaty had some good gfx skills

Hugop 05-05-2016 01:54 PM
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Posted by PigParty (Post 702034)
GS2 is coding, it's just the language.
... you don't say.
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Posted by Hugop (Post 702032)
I would say GS2 is the problem
GS2 is not coding, it's just a language to code.

PigParty 05-05-2016 07:36 PM
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Posted by Hugop (Post 702249)
... you don't say.

GS2 is not coding, it's just a language to code.
... I said "it's just the language." Specifically said that... What do you use GS2 for? Answer: coding. Hence: Coding is the problem! If GS2 was the problem, then that would mean GS2 isn't a good language. I said coding is the problem and that GS2 is just the language used...


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