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guild allies were meant for ALLIES not subs, 25 members was supposed to be 25 members that stuck and never got kicked unless they broke guild rules.
but instead we have people abusing allies for subs and kicking people for guild space all the time. screw camparisons and your sensitive feelings if you do the following i stated you are indeed abusing the idea of a guild |
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I believe it is stated that guilds were to recruit your friends (up to 25) and take towers with them. Not make a guild were you recruit anyone around the tower to fill up guild space and kick any inactive members for more room so you can constantly have 25 online players, half of whom you don't know, allies are for allies. An ally is a seperate person or group of people that shares your common goal and supports eachother, it's not called "system to bypass the 25 per guild rule by making one guild have the members of 4 guilds".
Here Is a perfect example, people used the showadmins command to check if alot of gps were on do they knew when it would be safe to glitch. So they removed it. It was part of the game, and it was used, but not in the intended way. Thats my point. Instead of condoning it and also doing it because of it being the only way to be able to compete, they should punish it and change it |
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If they wanted you to make subs they would say sub instead of ally.
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I've been in Advent V before towers, and I can tell you it was an amazing decision. I was promoted to an AE within 1 1/2 weeks of joining. I've also made some amazing friends along the way that I will never, ever forget. Real friends, who I Skype with for hours on end. They help me out with my problems, I help them out with theirs. They're great company during my all-nighter sessions due to my insomnia. If you ask me, Advent V has definitely been the best guild I've been in, since December 2009. I've been in Cruxis, Project Soul, and Pulse for a short while. All of these guilds are great, but the people and leaders in Advent are what I think, sets us apart from most guilds I've been in. <3 |
Wow, this is still going? I don't know why this is even an argument. Go get 25 loyal members and form an exclusive guild, or go make a family style tower guild with subs, it really doesn't matter. No need to bash each other for which style they prefer. The point of this game is to have fun, not to control how other players experience it.
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Magic ftw. Made this over a year ago XD
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Sometimes I lose faith in the iClassic community.
Exploits like this happen, and there isn't much stopping it. The only fix I see for this is disabling allies, which is a game-breaker. Look at Black Ops - they fixed two major exploits, quickscoping and dropshotting. The only methods that could be used to fix it killed the purpose of the tactics, and made the game play out from its unintended way. This won't be fixed, it's useless to argue about such trivial things. Guilds will utilize the ally system the way they want, whether it be for towers, family guilds, or solo. There's no use in arguing about it now. Play the game you want to play it. |
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And I'm glad you like advent. It fits you. But it's not for me. I stayed in in hopes I could rank up and change it. I mean there are some things you guys to right like...well you don't chat block that's something! Umm...there's gotta be something else...I'll think of something. But what you guys are doing honestly isn't what the ally system was intended for. You fight with huge numbers, not skill. The tactics you used when attacking and defending were horrible. Im picking on you guys because I've been there and experienced it. There are other guilds who do it. Probably worse than you. |
The problem is you can't just let other guilds abuse it and do it their way because it's unfair for guilds that are actually do it the intended way, how is one guild of 25 dedicated members going to stack up to 4 guilds full of players? The noobrecruiting and sub guilds are making it so you have to use sub guilds and noob recruit to compete. That's why we are complaining about these other guilds, if they are still allowed to do those things then it makes it so any guild that wants to be able to hold towers needs to do those shady tactics.
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One guild started it, other guilds followed to be able to compete. Blame whoever started it.
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Pandemonium. We were the strongest back then, and nobody was ever kicked. Before guild allies were introduced into the game AS WE KNOW THEM, we had to manually form alliances. When Pandemonium and iBall were competing, a few members in each guild wanted to be allies. This meant that we would not attack each other, no matter what.
If you look on the leaderboards, iBall and Pandemonium were very successful for their time, and over time, leaderships changed and they allied. Now it's a dead family guild that nobody ever tags on. If they were to both start back up, and remain alliances, with two of the original members, they would for sure take towers separately, like we did over a year ago. Don't assume that all tower guilds use the sub system. |
War guilds with subs still have loyal members. The only difference is that there can be 100+ of them, and the main war guild kicks and recruits these 100+ members depending on when they're online to get an advantage with towers.
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Ok look. I don't see why you guys are complaining and fighting over people's ways of making a guild. Some people like certain styles, some like other styles. No big deal, kthxbye
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Cigam, we aren't pushing our opinions on others and DEMANDING they be the same. We're just expressing our opinions in hope other guilds do the same. I think it would be great.
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Shut up, we don't get sneak peaks xD. Act modest. :P But basically, yea, Ch4rM and its allies are really relaxed. Ventrue for the most part was the same, and I can't say anything about US because I was never in it. |
US has been a special experience in terms of guilds. When Rufus took over it was a unique band of Classic players that had stand-out personalities. I think one of the main recruiting factors was simply personality - not sparring. Luckily at the time they also shifted the servers to Europe so we were pretty dominate in the sparring scene.
After Classic went down (one of the dumbest timings ever, as iClassic was just getting released + popular) US moved to UN and things progressed in a way I didn't see coming. New members were recruited that were prominent UN sparrers but handpicked based on their personalities. There were no 0 brain all-troll BTK types in US, it was the likes of Brett, Prado, Ares, and eventually Squirt. These players were UN's powerhouse sparrers too. When I logged on iClassic and saw that version of US for the first time, I questioned whether it would be the same experience. Skeptical, I kind of made fun of them a bit and had my giggles but it turned out alright. In the end, you want to have a guild with people you get along with. If you only look at stats, you won't be a real guild. You will be a bunch of elitists on one guild tag that will end up backstabbing eachother when something bigger and better rolls along. Focus on people with like-minded personalities that also happen to be good at the game. You'll enjoy what this 14 year old horribly managed underdeveleoped player-run game has to offer. |
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Most guilds just go mad for towers then die out. I don't know who remebers zZ Fatal Zz but this happened to them. I only played each day to chat with them and take towers.. Now thats over im not really active D:
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i really wanna have the charm/US/venture experience. but im no where near as good as a sparer as i need to be. while you say you pick people because of their personalities, i dont think its just coincidence that theyre all really good sparers. i'd have to step my game up a lot to join one of these guilds.
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and izarin, thats cool :). maybe i can look into something like that. |
Godzilla, as a fellow DinoSmash legend, you can get anywhere. Just takes time.
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i understand that. but i feel like if i was recruited to any of these guilds i'd be questioned because theyre pro guilds. it'd be an honor for me to be in any of those guilds i would'nt think about leaving. but i dont think im on that level yet. |
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Answer: Yes. Guild loyalty/pride is very important, no matter what the main goal of the guild is. |
Guilds need to be loyal to players. Kids complain all the time about being kicked from guilds for stupid reasons.
Hey, everyone, I'm in the real Ventrue. LOL |
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Pm Eddy (US) to join US
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Oh, and when I PMed you once telling you who I was, you blocked me. lol |
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well this forum was made to encourage people to stop making sub guilds and make a 25 member only guild with loyal members
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And I think the "ask this person to join US" is a little inside joke they have. Tons of people ask to join and it probably gets annoying so to have fun with each other they tell them to contact the other. |
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Are you guys saying that once a guild has 25 loyal members, it should be closed and they should just ignore everyone interested in joining? |
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This is EXACTLY what sub guilds are for (More space, same guild). Same with Ch4rm, they have a main name, with 4-5 subs. How is this ANY different from other family style guild, at all? The only difference I see is that Ventrue and Ch4rm focus on other things besides towers. How is it fine for them to "abuse allies" as Qes is saying, when tower guilds get insulted for it? :dazed: |
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@Vyse, I think they want us to have VG allying CoM and both continuing to be war guilds.
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The sub guilds are the guild in its whole. The main war guild is just a temporary branch members are placed in for forts. I know SoS is a bad example, I feel like I should have a look at just how many loyal members there are. The following figures are the members who in my opinion are 100% SoS. Leaders: 5 Total: ~5 Sub 1: 12 Total: ~17 Sub 2: 8 Total: ~25 Sub 3: 6 Total: ~31 Sub 4: 9 Total: ~40 Sub 5: 10 Total: ~50 There, 50 loyal members. Those numbers used to be much higher, but I suppose this proves two things. 1. Most guilds could scrap 1 or 2 of their subguilds. That said, it's worth keeping in mind that these sub guilds also contain friends of the guild, who help out but belong to another guild. 2. A successful guild does need more than 25 members. Anyway, how do you guys feel about how Nerv has used the ally system? |
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"I think they want us to have VG allying CoM and both continuing to be war guilds." ^Hope not, I don't see that working at all. Towers are a zero sum game, one guilds loss is another's win. |
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