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Yephenpeace 01-18-2012 02:41 AM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 58193)
Say the balamb ship warp could glitch out and make you invincible, if I used that to my advantage would that still be bug abuse? It's not wether its part of the game, it's whether you using it as intended.

You make terrible comparisons... how are sub guilds "bug abuse". It's a smart system that many guilds use and is widely accepted by Graal. If it was against the rules they wouldn't give guild hats to more than 25 people.

qes 01-18-2012 02:45 AM

guild allies were meant for ALLIES not subs, 25 members was supposed to be 25 members that stuck and never got kicked unless they broke guild rules.
but instead we have people abusing allies for subs and kicking people for guild space all the time.
screw camparisons and your sensitive feelings if you do the following i stated you are indeed abusing the idea of a guild

Yephenpeace 01-18-2012 02:53 AM

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Posted by qes (Post 58200)
guild allies were meant for ALLIES not subs, 25 members was supposed to be 25 members that stuck and never got kicked unless they broke guild rules.
but instead we have people abusing allies for subs and kicking people for guild space all the time.
screw camparisons and your sensitive feelings if you do the following i stated you are indeed abusing the idea of a guild

Who are you to say guilds are wrong for using a certain tactic? You seem to be blatantly disregarding all the valid points i'm making. Please read some of the things people are saying, otherwise i'm not even going to bother to formulate a response. If it was abusing the system Graal wouldn't condone it by giving hats to more than 25 people.

Higbey 01-18-2012 03:01 AM

I believe it is stated that guilds were to recruit your friends (up to 25) and take towers with them. Not make a guild were you recruit anyone around the tower to fill up guild space and kick any inactive members for more room so you can constantly have 25 online players, half of whom you don't know, allies are for allies. An ally is a seperate person or group of people that shares your common goal and supports eachother, it's not called "system to bypass the 25 per guild rule by making one guild have the members of 4 guilds".

Here Is a perfect example, people used the showadmins command to check if alot of gps were on do they knew when it would be safe to glitch. So they removed it.

It was part of the game, and it was used, but not in the intended way.

Thats my point. Instead of condoning it and also doing it because of it being the only way to be able to compete, they should punish it and change it

Yephenpeace 01-18-2012 03:02 AM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 58202)
I believe it is stated that guilds were to recruit your friends (up to 25) and take towers with them. Not make a guild were you recruit anyone around the tower to fill up guild space and kick any inactive members for more room so you can constantly have 25 online players, half of whom you don't know, allies are for allies. An ally is a seperate person or group of people that shares your common goal and supports eachother, it's not called "system to bypass the 25 per guild rule by making one guild have the members of 4 guilds".

Where was this stated?

qes 01-18-2012 03:03 AM

If they wanted you to make subs they would say sub instead of ally.

Talon 01-18-2012 03:39 AM

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Posted by Godzilla (Post 58069)
no, the hat was just the cherry on top. you don't really know the story so you can't really talk. basically i just came back from quiting for a year and wanted a guild. i messaged you, and saw advent, and asked you what it was and i got recruited. at first i loved it, having a tower a lot, making a few new friends, etc. and it was even after the fact that i was recruited that i knew you were a tower taking guild. then at around 900 hours i started to look around. we had deadwood, and i just saw the AE's (co-leaders) telling people to block the left and right staircase. i questioned them, i tried to correct them, saying that if we spread ourselves out we'll be more successful. this is the response i got: "are you questioning the AE's?" "dude, shut up, were fine" "lol godzilla your asking for it" (from an AE) "god, dont question us, we work hard here, and we've been doing this for a while". now at that point i was just like whatever let them do what they want. but i figured the leaders did'nt really know what they were talking about, and it was pretty stupid to just ignore a tip from a member. so i decided i would try to climb my way to the top of the ranks, and try to get my opinions heard. at this point i had also talked to some of my old friends, and they've talked to me about asking to join zanza, or making a new guild with some friends where i would have a leadership position of sorts. but for the time being i turned them down. why? because i saw a few gems in advent. ilazr, mik, pain, even you were people i respected. in fact i still respect you guys. but looking back it was really only you. i mostly hated everyone else. but anyway on with the story! the second time was when we had snow at around 950. i was skating around, no one was attacking, so i decided to take a walk outside, look around at some shops, see whats new, look for rps people, because keep in mind i just got back from a year. so i was skating around, staying in snowtown if i was needed, and we had plenty of members there. so i was skating around and guild chatted about something in the mad hatter i think. and then, "GODZILLA GET BACK TO SNOW RIGHT NOW OR YOUR KICKED!" at this point i was just laughing at how seriously these AE's took themselves, and made some response like "yes supreme leader", or something. and then the flood of "HEY SHUT UP HES AN AE AND YOUR NOT! KICK HIM!". but i still wanted to stay. not as much, but i still kinda liked it. in between all this i also experienced annoying spam, no free time to myself, and crappy members who could'nt kill pkers whenever we had snow or castle, which was a lot of the time. then at 975, we had snow again. this was the thing that made me begin to disrespect advent. about 3 separate times some noob came in asking to join. every time he was recruited, then kicked when he went offline. so i went up to one of the AE's and told him that we shouldn't noobcruite because we get mad at other guilds for doing it, and we want members who will listen to us, and are friends, not just random people. but then he swiftly responded that it wasn't noobcruiting. that noobcruiting was recruiting random people. what they were doing was recruiting temps. the temps asked to join first. my mistake xD. but i still wanted to climb the ranks in order to try and change the guild to be better. it was after 1k that things snapped. basically walking along i saw rockson, an old GoD member from back in the day. so i messaged him D00M FTW!! this is when we did'nt have a tower btw. so we chatted for a while, shared memories. he recruited me to GoD, and i was being spammed so i accepted it, and put the tag on for a little while. then i recruited him to D00M too. so we chatted for about another hour, then i logged off, logged back in and we had a tower. so i went to put my sub tag on and...kicked. now i get it if someones innactive, but i took the tag off for an hour. thats not that big of a deal. this showed me that the guild leaders were power hungry, and that i could be kicked for doing even the tiniest thing. from there i asked to be recruited again, was, and went and helped at whatever tower had for a little while and went to bed. but there i knew in that climbing the ranks would be very difficult, and that im best off just getting the hat and leaving. this was not where i belonged. i mean i helped you guys a lot, i thought i deserved it. i stayed with you till Saturday, making other estrangements with friends, and then right before the party boom, kicked again for spamming the guild chat even though i wasnt even guild chatting. i swiftly got recruited again by the some nice leader, complained about power abuse, then shut up for the next 15 mins about. then the party came, i was excited to get the hat, and get out. i decided to start the new guild with my friends. so i logged out because there was some sort of complication, and then i logged back in and saw everyone had it. i asked you and you said i was too late. by now i was just like fk this im out of here. and i left. and did criticize you guys when i was in the guild. but it was always met by a power hungry leader threatening to kick me.

see all this stuff?^^^

this shouldnt be what a guild is. i agree with you guys. guilds are being too abusive of the system right now.

for the few days i was out of the guild i didnt touch you guys. but when i saw a person arguing that advent V was a good guild, i couldnt resist. because really, you guys arent. but if you can take comfort in anything its knowing that your still better than some guilds. at least i think...

the reason i use you as an example is because i experienced you. i was in it and i saw all the flaws. im not about to go start talking about a guild being bad i know nothing about.

Being in the guild as long as you did, you don't have any right to judge a guild's quality. Like Vyse said, if you walked into a Target and a couple employees were rude, does that give you any room to bash Target for being bad? What about noticing the good things about Target, like all the variety of items they offer you?

I've been in Advent V before towers, and I can tell you it was an amazing decision. I was promoted to an AE within 1 1/2 weeks of joining. I've also made some amazing friends along the way that I will never, ever forget. Real friends, who I Skype with for hours on end. They help me out with my problems, I help them out with theirs. They're great company during my all-nighter sessions due to my insomnia.

If you ask me, Advent V has definitely been the best guild I've been in, since December 2009. I've been in Cruxis, Project Soul, and Pulse for a short while. All of these guilds are great, but the people and leaders in Advent are what I think, sets us apart from most guilds I've been in. <3

Vyse Feare 01-18-2012 03:44 AM

Wow, this is still going? I don't know why this is even an argument. Go get 25 loyal members and form an exclusive guild, or go make a family style tower guild with subs, it really doesn't matter. No need to bash each other for which style they prefer. The point of this game is to have fun, not to control how other players experience it.

Pimpsy G. 01-18-2012 03:55 AM

Magic ftw. Made this over a year ago XD

Talon 01-18-2012 04:08 AM

Sometimes I lose faith in the iClassic community.

Exploits like this happen, and there isn't much stopping it. The only fix I see for this is disabling allies, which is a game-breaker. Look at Black Ops - they fixed two major exploits, quickscoping and dropshotting. The only methods that could be used to fix it killed the purpose of the tactics, and made the game play out from its unintended way.

This won't be fixed, it's useless to argue about such trivial things. Guilds will utilize the ally system the way they want, whether it be for towers, family guilds, or solo. There's no use in arguing about it now. Play the game you want to play it.

Zovers 01-18-2012 04:11 AM

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Posted by Vyse Feare (Post 58216)
Wow, this is still going? I don't know why this is even an argument. Go get 25 loyal members and form an exclusive guild, or go make a family style tower guild with subs, it really doesn't matter. No need to bash each other for which style they prefer. The point of this game is to have fun, not to control how other players experience it.

Very true, i don't see why you would stay with a guild you hated so much that you could write an essay on your dislike of it for so long but hey, to each his own. That's the whole point of guilds, if you don't like it there are plenty of other opportunities, and if there's not, you can always make your own.:P

Talon 01-18-2012 04:15 AM

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Posted by Zovers (Post 58227)
Very true, i don't see why you would stay with a guild you hated so much that you could write an essay on your dislike of it for so long but hey, to each his own. That's the whole point of guilds, if you don't like it there are plenty of other opportunities, and if there's not, you can always make your own.:P

Exactly - do your guild the way you want to. No reason to hate on any other guild that use the ally system to their advantage - that's what it's for. Unless we're breaking the rules or something, no reason to get mad at any other guild for what they do.

Godzilla 01-18-2012 04:41 AM

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Posted by Gambit Drakul (Post 58175)
Thank god maybe we could have some friendly rivalries and wars for christ sake.

You guys would own us lol. Venture charm and US would all destroy us lol.

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Posted by Agony (Post 58214)
Being in the guild as long as you did, you don't have any right to judge a guild's quality. Like Vyse said, if you walked into a Target and a couple employees were rude, does that give you any room to bash Target for being bad? What about noticing the good things about Target, like all the variety of items they offer you?

I've been in Advent V before towers, and I can tell you it was an amazing decision. I was promoted to an AE within 1 1/2 weeks of joining. I've also made some amazing friends along the way that I will never, ever forget. Real friends, who I Skype with for hours on end. They help me out with my problems, I help them out with theirs. They're great company during my all-nighter sessions due to my insomnia.

If you ask me, Advent V has definitely been the best guild I've been in, since December 2009. I've been in Cruxis, Project Soul, and Pulse for a short while. All of these guilds are great, but the people and leaders in Advent are what I think, sets us apart from most guilds I've been in. <3

I covered the whole target metaphor thing already.

And I'm glad you like advent. It fits you. But it's not for me. I stayed in in hopes I could rank up and change it. I mean there are some things you guys to right like...well you don't chat block that's something! Umm...there's gotta be something else...I'll think of something.

But what you guys are doing honestly isn't what the ally system was intended for. You fight with huge numbers, not skill. The tactics you used when attacking and defending were horrible. Im picking on you guys because I've been there and experienced it. There are other guilds who do it. Probably worse than you.

Higbey 01-18-2012 04:41 AM

The problem is you can't just let other guilds abuse it and do it their way because it's unfair for guilds that are actually do it the intended way, how is one guild of 25 dedicated members going to stack up to 4 guilds full of players? The noobrecruiting and sub guilds are making it so you have to use sub guilds and noob recruit to compete. That's why we are complaining about these other guilds, if they are still allowed to do those things then it makes it so any guild that wants to be able to hold towers needs to do those shady tactics.

Talon 01-18-2012 05:16 AM

One guild started it, other guilds followed to be able to compete. Blame whoever started it.

Shaun 01-18-2012 05:24 AM

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Posted by Agony (Post 57822)
As far as I'm concerned, US has no allies, and Ventrue is a family guild, their allies are basically subs.

I'll give you Charm, but that's it.

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Ventrue Charm Zanza and US are the only ones putting that thought into consideration,and 2 out of 4 are from PC
"oh i like my freedom of guilds"
Ch4rM is amazing. We don't really kick, easily, and everybody is pretty much equal. Of course, there are leaders, but the don't act all high up. It's just a nice family hanging out. And we do lots of farming, just sittin around and chatting, and events. We're so pro admins hang out with us, so we get sexy sneak peaks. All guilds should be like this, don't know why they're not. And the problem with like other guilds is that they try for towers, and after towers everybody leaves. Don't boss others around, act like their your besties.

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You guys would own us lol. Venture charm and US would all destroy us lol.
Ya :)

Oh, Godzilla.
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Posted by Godzilla
well one of my best friends in this game Pavillion75 is now an admin so there are prolly too many adventures from that to put in one post. lots of nuking, and ive gotten more bombs from him than i have from all the other admins put together. lol he just pops out of no where at random times, says hello, all others gather around too (which gets very anoying) we talk for a little, then he starts nuking and turning invisible and such, and me n some iball friends even fought him (and we lost like crazy because of his spin move, super speed, ability to heal, and his 20 health.) but i dont like how we can never chill for a while now, i mean im happy for him n all, but we can never just hang out anymore because hes always on duty, and iball seems to always have a tower even though someties i take a break from it to chill with him. so anyway next weekend hopefully me n pav can just have an hour to chill and catch up...

I was there :)

Talon 01-18-2012 05:42 AM

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Posted by Shaun (Post 58260)
Ch4rM is amazing. We don't really kick, easily, and everybody is pretty much equal. Of course, there are leaders, but the don't act all high up. It's just a nice family hanging out. And we do lots of farming, just sittin around and chatting, and events. We're so pro admins hang out with us, so we get sexy sneak peaks. All guilds should be like this, don't know why they're not. And the problem with like other guilds is that they try for towers, and after towers everybody leaves. Don't boss others around, act like their your besties.

Yup, every time I put on my Uchiha tag, everyone seems chill and happy. It's like that in Advent during off-times.

Virus 01-18-2012 07:10 AM

Pandemonium. We were the strongest back then, and nobody was ever kicked. Before guild allies were introduced into the game AS WE KNOW THEM, we had to manually form alliances. When Pandemonium and iBall were competing, a few members in each guild wanted to be allies. This meant that we would not attack each other, no matter what.

If you look on the leaderboards, iBall and Pandemonium were very successful for their time, and over time, leaderships changed and they allied. Now it's a dead family guild that nobody ever tags on.
If they were to both start back up, and remain alliances, with two of the original members, they would for sure take towers separately, like we did over a year ago.

Don't assume that all tower guilds use the sub system.

Pazx 01-18-2012 08:18 AM

War guilds with subs still have loyal members. The only difference is that there can be 100+ of them, and the main war guild kicks and recruits these 100+ members depending on when they're online to get an advantage with towers.

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Posted by NiTe (Post 58048)
Complete bull****. It is possible for a "war guild" to recive 1k hours without abusing the alliance system and saying that the ally system was made for sub guilds. Just take a look at Project Soul. If i recall they didnt have any "sub guilds" to trash their players into if they went offline. In fact if i remembered corectly, the guilds that they were allied to ACTUALLY came to help them from time to time. I mean why else do the reward the guild and the ALLIANCE for having 1k hours.

PS is a kick and recruit guild.

Nufsed.

Cigam 01-18-2012 01:03 PM

Ok look. I don't see why you guys are complaining and fighting over people's ways of making a guild. Some people like certain styles, some like other styles. No big deal, kthxbye

Izarin 01-18-2012 07:16 PM

Cigam, we aren't pushing our opinions on others and DEMANDING they be the same. We're just expressing our opinions in hope other guilds do the same. I think it would be great.

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Posted by Shaun (Post 58260)
Ch4rM is amazing. We don't really kick, easily, and everybody is pretty much equal. Of course, there are leaders, but the don't act all high up. It's just a nice family hanging out. And we do lots of farming, just sittin around and chatting, and events. We're so pro admins hang out with us, so we get sexy sneak peaks. All guilds should be like this, don't know why they're not. And the problem with like other guilds is that they try for towers, and after towers everybody leaves. Don't boss others around, act like their your besties.


Shut up, we don't get sneak peaks xD. Act modest. :P But basically, yea, Ch4rM and its allies are really relaxed. Ventrue for the most part was the same, and I can't say anything about US because I was never in it.

Crono 01-18-2012 07:32 PM

US has been a special experience in terms of guilds. When Rufus took over it was a unique band of Classic players that had stand-out personalities. I think one of the main recruiting factors was simply personality - not sparring. Luckily at the time they also shifted the servers to Europe so we were pretty dominate in the sparring scene.

After Classic went down (one of the dumbest timings ever, as iClassic was just getting released + popular) US moved to UN and things progressed in a way I didn't see coming. New members were recruited that were prominent UN sparrers but handpicked based on their personalities. There were no 0 brain all-troll BTK types in US, it was the likes of Brett, Prado, Ares, and eventually Squirt. These players were UN's powerhouse sparrers too.

When I logged on iClassic and saw that version of US for the first time, I questioned whether it would be the same experience. Skeptical, I kind of made fun of them a bit and had my giggles but it turned out alright.

In the end, you want to have a guild with people you get along with. If you only look at stats, you won't be a real guild. You will be a bunch of elitists on one guild tag that will end up backstabbing eachother when something bigger and better rolls along. Focus on people with like-minded personalities that also happen to be good at the game. You'll enjoy what this 14 year old horribly managed underdeveleoped player-run game has to offer.

Pazx 01-18-2012 08:49 PM

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Posted by Izarin (Post 58403)
Cigam, we aren't pushing our opinions on others and DEMANDING they be the same. We're just expressing our opinions in hope other guilds do the same. I think it would be great.

Cigam didn't mention any of those things you said.

Cigam 01-18-2012 09:08 PM

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Posted by Pazx (Post 58419)
Cigam didn't mention any of those things you said.

:o ya. and besides, Im just saying what I gotta say kthxbye

Madhog 01-18-2012 09:49 PM

Most guilds just go mad for towers then die out. I don't know who remebers zZ Fatal Zz but this happened to them. I only played each day to chat with them and take towers.. Now thats over im not really active D:

Godzilla 01-18-2012 10:35 PM

i really wanna have the charm/US/venture experience. but im no where near as good as a sparer as i need to be. while you say you pick people because of their personalities, i dont think its just coincidence that theyre all really good sparers. i'd have to step my game up a lot to join one of these guilds.

Cigam 01-18-2012 11:20 PM

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Posted by Godzilla (Post 58461)
i really wanna have the charm/US/venture experience. but im no where near as good as a sparer as i need to be. while you say you pick people because of their personalities, i dont think its just coincidence that theyre all really good sparers. i'd have to step my game up a lot to join one of these guilds.

Not so true. They may be good sparrers as you say but, it's not only about that. As Rufus said, it's there unique talents. The US members stick out of the box, be creative, have different opinions and differences. It's what makes a unique, creative, fun community.

Izarin 01-19-2012 12:08 AM

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Posted by Godzilla (Post 58461)
i really wanna have the charm/US/venture experience. but im no where near as good as a sparer as i need to be. while you say you pick people because of their personalities, i dont think its just coincidence that theyre all really good sparers. i'd have to step my game up a lot to join one of these guilds.

I suck at spar. So do most of the members I recruit to my guild, which is an ally of Ch4rM. Don't worry, there is still hope. :D

Godzilla 01-19-2012 12:49 AM

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Posted by Cigam (Post 58468)
Not so true. They may be good sparrers as you say but, it's not only about that. As Rufus said, it's there unique talents. The US members stick out of the box, be creative, have different opinions and differences. It's what makes a unique, creative, fun community.

yeah i get that lol, but its both. i figure i have the second one covered, im friends with a lot of members, and am a pretty old player, and experienced leader. but im not too good at sparring. but still rufus probably wants good players who are good at sparring and fighting. and i dont blame him. same goes for charm and venture. i have fewer friends in venture, but still a fair amount, and like 1 or 2 in charm. but i dont see myself entering any of these guilds any time soon.

and izarin, thats cool :). maybe i can look into something like that.

Comyt 01-19-2012 01:51 AM

Godzilla, as a fellow DinoSmash legend, you can get anywhere. Just takes time.

Gambit Drakul 01-19-2012 02:35 AM

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Posted by Godzilla (Post 58461)
i really wanna have the charm/US/venture experience. but im no where near as good as a sparer as i need to be. while you say you pick people because of their personalities, i dont think its just coincidence that theyre all really good sparers. i'd have to step my game up a lot to join one of these guilds.

A good sparrer is just a plus,Yes we don't want people who suck but we don't want people who think they're too good and isn't loyal.Like a few people have said personality counts as well as loyalty.

Godzilla 01-19-2012 02:50 AM

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Posted by Comyt (Post 58538)
Godzilla, as a fellow DinoSmash legend, you can get anywhere. Just takes time.

lol. its hard to get back into sparring after not doing it for a year and losing every other one. but it does seem like the DS vets went pretty far. including me, i just never took to sparring i guess.

i understand that. but i feel like if i was recruited to any of these guilds i'd be questioned because theyre pro guilds. it'd be an honor for me to be in any of those guilds i would'nt think about leaving. but i dont think im on that level yet.

Winter 01-19-2012 11:00 PM

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Posted by Godzilla (Post 58461)
i really wanna have the charm/US/venture experience. but im no where near as good as a sparer as i need to be. while you say you pick people because of their personalities, i dont think its just coincidence that theyre all really good sparers. i'd have to step my game up a lot to join one of these guilds.

I get messages every day about people asking to join US. So many people see inspiration to join the winning team, but nobody feels inspiration to put together a tight bond to call a guild, practice together to get better, and possibly become the next champions? As a member of a guild successful in this way, I love seeing guilds like Ch4rM or Ventrue. They have members loyal to the guild, and who hardly wear another tag. They display guild pride. I would love to see more guilds like this.

Answer: Yes. Guild loyalty/pride is very important, no matter what the main goal of the guild is.

Skyzer 01-19-2012 11:28 PM

Guilds need to be loyal to players. Kids complain all the time about being kicked from guilds for stupid reasons.



Hey, everyone, I'm in the real Ventrue. LOL

Gambit Drakul 01-19-2012 11:33 PM

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Posted by Skyzer (Post 58866)
Hey, everyone, I'm in the real Ventrue. LOL

You don't say?:O

NiTe 01-19-2012 11:38 PM

Pm Eddy (US) to join US

Godzilla 01-20-2012 12:35 AM

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Posted by NiTe (Post 58871)
Pm Eddy (US) to join US

Lmao whenever I see people asking to join he says to ask you. And you really want more random pms?

Talon 01-20-2012 01:08 AM

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Posted by Comyt (Post 58538)
Godzilla, as a fellow DinoSmash legend, you can get anywhere. Just takes time.

Lies. I was one of Dinosmash's most prominent legends - at the time I was going by Tap - and no "pro" guilds have shown any interest in me. I've given up on the likes of Zanza, SiB, US, etc. I'm perfectly fine and happy with Advent.

Oh, and when I PMed you once telling you who I was, you blocked me. lol

Godzilla 01-20-2012 01:53 AM

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Posted by Agony (Post 58910)
Lies. I was one of Dinosmash's most prominent legends - at the time I was going by Tap - and no "pro" guilds have shown any interest in me. I've given up on the likes of Zanza, SiB, US, etc. I'm perfectly fine and happy with Advent.

Oh, and when I PMed you once telling you who I was, you blocked me. lol

i dont remember a tap. i remember masta, metolas, iggy, rambo, and tons of others. but no tap...what was your kill death ratio?

Cigam 01-20-2012 02:35 AM

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Posted by NiTe (Post 58871)
Pm Eddy (US) to join US

lol. Lord Trip said the same thing except he said pm Comyt to join XD

qes 01-20-2012 02:50 AM

well this forum was made to encourage people to stop making sub guilds and make a 25 member only guild with loyal members

Godzilla 01-20-2012 02:59 AM

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Posted by qes (Post 58956)
well this forum was made to encourage people to stop making sub guilds and make a 25 member only guild with loyal members

While its the way guilds should be, most of the support you got were from IS and venture mems. I also want this, and am trying to get one started but it's not an easy task. Unfortunately I don't see any change in the way guilds are constructed any time soon. Whether you like it or not, abusing the system is the best way to get hour, and allow guilds to get their precious hat. Even of all the guilds but one change, that guild will probably be dominant. I don't believe it's impossible spread these ideas and encourage the kind of guild. Id love to see US venture or charm start taking towers from these guilds and showing graal that these kind of guilds can work.

And I think the "ask this person to join US" is a little inside joke they have. Tons of people ask to join and it probably gets annoying so to have fun with each other they tell them to contact the other.

Pazx 01-20-2012 04:03 AM

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Posted by Godzilla (Post 58962)
And I think the "ask this person to join US" is a little inside joke they have. Tons of people ask to join and it probably gets annoying so to have fun with each other they tell them to contact the other.

I'm pretty sure most guilds do that.

Are you guys saying that once a guild has 25 loyal members, it should be closed and they should just ignore everyone interested in joining?

Godzilla 01-20-2012 04:11 AM

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Posted by Pazx (Post 58997)
I'm pretty sure most guilds do that.

Are you guys saying that once a guild has 25 loyal members, it should be closed and they should just ignore everyone interested in joining?

you should fill it up with close friends, then ally guilds of close friends. i see where your coming from, but 25 is good number in my opinion. you just have to be picky. as you should be. you want an active guild of a few close guild not an inactive or even active guild of 100 people you barely know. id still be fine if someone made 1 sub guild in order to fit those extra players. but when you get to 3-5 it gets pretty ridiculous. because honestly you probably dont even need the 50 total.

Gambit Drakul 01-20-2012 04:20 AM

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Posted by Pazx (Post 58997)
I'm pretty sure most guilds do that.

Are you guys saying that once a guild has 25 loyal members, it should be closed and they should just ignore everyone interested in joining?

In a way,That is why we made other Ventrue guilds (Ventrue Vampires,VentrueVampires,Tremere Vampires) they're not really sub guilds to us they're still the same guild just made for more space.In my opinion I'd want to recruit more than just 25.But who are we kidding I don't see that happening.

Vyse Feare 01-20-2012 04:33 AM

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Posted by Gambit Drakul (Post 59006)
"That is why we made other Ventrue guilds (Ventrue Vampires,VentrueVampires,Tremere Vampires) they're not really sub guilds to us they're still the same guild just made for more space"


This is EXACTLY what sub guilds are for (More space, same guild). Same with Ch4rm, they have a main name, with 4-5 subs. How is this ANY different from other family style guild, at all? The only difference I see is that Ventrue and Ch4rm focus on other things besides towers. How is it fine for them to "abuse allies" as Qes is saying, when tower guilds get insulted for it? :dazed:

Gambit Drakul 01-20-2012 04:41 AM

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Posted by Vyse Feare (Post 59012)
This is EXACTLY what sub guilds are for (More space, same guild). Same with Ch4rm, they have a main name, with 4-5 subs. How is this ANY different from other family style guild, at all? The only difference I see is that Ventrue and Ch4rm focus on other things besides towers. How is it fine for them to "abuse allies" as Qes is saying, when tower guilds get insulted for it? :dazed:

I believe what my friend was trying to say is that he dislikes how some people try so hard to get recruited into a guild and once they're in and heard all the rules of the guild has they're never on tag (In this case we just kick) I've had some recruits like that,I guess he also dislikes the "Noob Recruiting" The difference here is we don't noob recruit who ever we want into our guild they still need requirements they still need supporters they still need to get spar tested (they don't have to be pro I think it's to see where they stand) and of course they still need to follow the rules,BUT Tower guilds is a whole other thing when you see a tower guild they recruit who ever is on tag on to their main guild then once they're off they noob recruit like crazy.We don't do that we never did that even when towers were out on iClassic.

Pazx 01-20-2012 04:47 AM

@Vyse, I think they want us to have VG allying CoM and both continuing to be war guilds.

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Posted by Gambit Drakul (Post 59006)
In a way,That is why we made other Ventrue guilds (Ventrue Vampires,VentrueVampires,Tremere Vampires) they're not really sub guilds to us they're still the same guild just made for more space.In my opinion I'd want to recruit more than just 25.But who are we kidding I don't see that happening.

That's the exact same as sub guilds (I hope).

The sub guilds are the guild in its whole. The main war guild is just a temporary branch members are placed in for forts.

I know SoS is a bad example, I feel like I should have a look at just how many loyal members there are. The following figures are the members who in my opinion are 100% SoS.

Leaders: 5 Total: ~5
Sub 1: 12 Total: ~17
Sub 2: 8 Total: ~25
Sub 3: 6 Total: ~31
Sub 4: 9 Total: ~40
Sub 5: 10 Total: ~50

There, 50 loyal members. Those numbers used to be much higher, but I suppose this proves two things.
1. Most guilds could scrap 1 or 2 of their subguilds. That said, it's worth keeping in mind that these sub guilds also contain friends of the guild, who help out but belong to another guild.
2. A successful guild does need more than 25 members.

Anyway, how do you guys feel about how Nerv has used the ally system?

Vyse Feare 01-20-2012 04:48 AM

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Posted by Gambit Drakul (Post 59016)
I believe what my friend was trying to say is that he dislikes how some people try so hard to get recruited into a guild and once they're in and heard all the rules of the guild has they're never on tag (In this case we just kick) I've had some recruits like that,I guess he also dislikes the "Noob Recruiting" The difference here is we don't noob recruit who ever we want into our guild they still need requirements they still need supporters they still need to get spar tested (they don't have to be pro I think it's to see where they stand) and of course they still need to follow the rules,BUT Tower guilds is a whole other thing when you see a tower guild they recruit who ever is on tag on to their main guild then once they're off they noob recruit like crazy.We don't do that we never did that even when towers were out on iClassic.

I definitely agree with him on that, players should value a guild tag & not be so quick to ditch/hop to another guild. However, a few people here said that using subs as allies is "abusing", and I was just using VV and Ch4rm as examples to show that it really isn't. Noob recruiting to fill subs is a different story though.


"I think they want us to have VG allying CoM and both continuing to be war guilds."

^Hope not, I don't see that working at all. Towers are a zero sum game, one guilds loss is another's win.

Gambit Drakul 01-20-2012 04:53 AM

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Posted by Vyse Feare (Post 59022)
I definitely agree with him on that, players should value a guild tag & not be so quick to ditch/hop to another guild. However, a few people here said that using subs as allies is "abusing", and I was just using VV and Ch4rm as examples to show that it really isn't. Noob recruiting to fill subs is a different story though.

I guess things got mixed up lol we don't see the allies as sub guilds we still see it as the same guild,In our case of course.


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