"Second off: you continuously make the mistake of comparing Graal, which is a small, game company, with larger and richer industries, such as Taco Bell. They are not the same thing. Taco Bell takes the opinion of the majority who has not be influenced by any other source. (i.e. McDonald's paying people to convince Taco Bell to change their meat is an example of people being influenced.) So by you telling people to give one star ratings on the App Store because you think they should? Well, in your own way, you're taking away their freedom of speech. Maybe people want to approach this in a much maturer way. So when you tell people to give a one star rating, they may not want to, and you end up un-coordinated and everything is just a big mess. And when they see that happening, they don't take you to seriously."

Primarily this. For some reason I thought I had read more dealing with the freedom of speech nonsense itself, but upon looking back there were more examples in other parts of his argument that would have fit better than this one. That being said, this is still an example.

You are confusing me. You say I see to lack comprehension skills, which prevents me from making educated posts, and now you're saying one of my other examples would have fit better for this? :unsure:

I feel like you're missing the core of what he has said because he mentioned "freedom of speech" with it. My understanding is that he feels like 'rate the game 1 star until they fix lag' has the ability to marginalize the actual issue of the game lagging, and in doing so, may remove the capacity for getting the message that "hey, the game is lagging really badly" across. Promoting negative ratings, being passed off more as people causing trouble, and therefore trivializing the actual issue when this is (supposedly) getting the attention of management. That is what he means by "taking away their freedom of speech" because people might disagree with the issue being represented this way, but won't be able to take another route while this kind of campaigning is going on. Yes it is the wrong application, but so is its use in the opening post.

With that in mind, maybe your response was kind of heavy-handed? I think it is healthy for people in a community to provide different perspectives like this. His other mentions of the concept of 'freedom of speech' aren't wrong.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOUR BAN WAS INCREASED TO 2500 HOURS I LOVE THE STAFF.

And they aren't violating your "rights". It's their game, they can permanently ban you if they want and you couldn't do anything. See what your constant complaining got you? Just quit now.

Yes, that is exactly what I meant.

Don't end sentences with a preposition. It's hard to read what you're writing because you're trying so hard.

It's hard to defend or rationalize a point that initially made zero sense. You're saying that by having "Give Graal one star if you find that the server lags and if you find the game unplayable" in my profile, that this some how hinders other approaches in fixing the issue? And that by doing what I'm doing somehow takes away the games staff freedom of speech? WTF!?

Captain oblivious

Yeah I'm banned which makes the game unplayable (which it already was with the lag, am I right? haha) but which makes quitting unnecessary.

The sentence that you have highlighted was ended with a phrasal verb. I'm aware that you brought it up as a red herring, but recommend that you look up the appropriation of phrasal verbs at the end of sentences to avoid further derailing the thread.

Not sure why you are responding to me when you didn't respond to the original poster. I didn't say any of this, since I basically just posted an interpretation of someone else's post and their point of view. Then again, he didn't post any of that either so I just don't get it.

Honestly I dislike the new gp
Axel74 seems like a good one and a few others like Td but most of em Are Just bad
For example zinnia doesnt do anything around graal she would just host events and now she doesnt she would only ban those who rebel against her not the hackers and bad players just the player who says Zinnia sucks

I honestly think that The gp team needs a rework I might join it and try to reform it because leadership is my thing.

This games small so things like that hurt it alot I guess in deffence to whoever banned you but then again it shows how insecure they are about preserving bread your ban time shouldve been what I got when i harassed xor which was 169

I might post a thread about Removing the staffs ability to host events and making a real event team

We have no rights in an online games we are not allowed to use the internet to fully communicate our thaughts and ideas what has society become
Is this even legal do we have Graalian rights?

This came out of nowhere. Guess all you're worries about are events huh?

Instead of ranting and complaining about the lag, how about YOU personally ask them to fix it instead of telling everyone that is disagreeing with your strategy.

This is the most absurd complain ever in my life :P

I'll just put this here and let you figure it out.
http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...deo#post392630

Hey Dark,
I challenge you to try and contact Graal owners and get a response! You're the most naive person I've ever met in my life :P.

so is expecting to have freedom of speech on the internet.

I did, once from Tashkin of iZone. I got response after a few hours in ticket.

The rage seems pretty real in this thread

Yeah to think that a company would hold the rights of their customers above all and act in an ethical manner is quite naive. I made my case, I got my money back from Apple who refunded a Gralat pack purchase and gave me 5 iTunes credits. There is no anger towards not being able to play I already found iclassic for the most part unplayable. Based on principle and wanting to stand up for freedom of speech which is a liberty granted to most and wanting to bring some change to a game that I see a lot of potential in, i wanted to share this experience and for people to make their own judgments on the situation and these staff. Last post. Enjoy the lag and so long!

I meant quit trying before they permanently ban you, they already made it 2500 hours, learn your lesson. You won't win here.

You almost found out his problem.

Classic needs a change. But that change can't happen with Unixmad owning Graal.

I love how everyone constantly rags on Unixmad and he's just sitting there raking in money like https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...ZFFH6k_8AiZ4zV

the funny thing is I had a convorsation with unix
we were chatting and he only responded to 2 topics
Zelda&Buisness but mostly buisness so he can advertise stuff like I should buy a playerworld

He's not going to advertise ffs get over it.

Lol you are unixmad in disguise

Ratings are a personal opinion and therefore nobody has the right to punish another for it.

But preaching and encouraging others isn't.

Ask yourself, how would life be if you didn't influence others to believe in something? No change. No voices to be heard. Classic has mixed reviews. Some are worst than what Demrow said.

most people who rate it that way are low class graalians
Lifes cruel for em

haha you know i have about 10+ photos about those reviews. it was pretty hilarious. I guess thallen was right, youtube impacts more significant than the reviews. As soon as I posted my demo video I got a comment from a staff. Now I am going to make a new one during my spring break - but this time instead of comparing servers, I am going to spar in the morning, day and night. I will keep the clock and the date displayed at the bottom right hand corner. Going to display player count at the other hand corner.

i would like to say something but I don't want to get banned soooo....
Spoilers says I'm not banned.



Edit: apparently graalians is the lol screw it just look down

Graalians, I think, is the official forums of iClassic. I still don't know, but you didn't comprehend what he said. Its about the status he wrote, not here.

Official fourm implies that the creator of the game (company, in this case) is the owner/creator of the forums.

Graalians isn't.

"I think"

didnt think hard enough, did ya?

rufus owns this right?

Rufus, Talon and Latte manage this, mainly Rufus I think. Owner is Twinny though - if I remember correctly.

I believe Rufus has always been owner and Twinny used to host it and maybe co-owned it at one point (thats a strong maybe).

IP banned and 8k hours of time..pretty crazy.

There are people that have spent more than 10k hours on Graal.

And that was when you'd get logged out if idling for 15 minutes. Don't know if that has stayed the same on PC Graal.

Welcome to graal, where they rape you with over-priced items and your time playing graal doesnt matter

hey kids!
do you have bread?
Do you want to play a cool game?
If you have bread come play Graalonline classic*name sparkles*
You can get it on mobile devices and on pc
And thats not all because we will take your bread and sell you verry expensive items just before we ban your acount

bull**** Speak to a higher staff maybe they will understand

Items aren't over priced, you guys are just dumb. Do the baddy quest everyday and you'll always have money for stuff.

There is numerous ways to earn fast money that's the reason the prices are high, so players work towards getting stuff and actually spend their time playing the game, also if people still buy them that shows they like it and therefore it is not rape.

lmao!! holy shet, how did u even get dat pic. 270k kills in 2006. 2200 spar rating.

for era yeah. iclassic nah. era mini vulcan gun is nut insane. roughly about 80~90 bucks in us dollars. i was gonna buy it cuz i wanna be OP in era, but then i changed my mind and waiting for gta5 pc ver.

90% sure that one of the highest staff in game banned him. lol
I don't even think a normal staff can ban someone for 8k hours.

o...

and yes, on some servers its possible to idle and not get disconnected but that was only implemented "recently"

Don't know if this true but a player in Zone was banned for 67 years.

Dude, there was that over-priced panda on Graal. Those pixels with a simple script that lets you invite someone and ride with him(and literrally just move his x and y coordinates with you), costed around $40 dollars.

And yes there are ways to earn money, but that doesn't change the fact that there are over-priced items.

lmao When hes gunna be an old man he can play graal again

No ****, Sherlock. I thought that when he becomes a baby he will be able to play Graal again.

It's almost as if they're optional cosmetics. Damn them and their non invasive business model! We need to put an end to this and sell weapons for hundreds of dollars like era.

This is one of the reason I stopped arguing with Dusty over Graal item price. There's no other incomes for iClassic to have other than promoting and producing rare shop items.

During past few years, I played many games that are free-to-play. Every game - when you are near to the top, it's like pay to win. Which made iClassic so unique, you don't have to purchase anything to become the best.

One game that's worth mentioning here is a game called Godswar on FB. It was a great game, it didn't take me long time to level up, in game auto-killing system, daily events/quest etc. My favorite event was Pk events, but you can't even kill another player without having a fully enchanted gears and to upgrade gears it costs cash that can be earned by little from a daily quest or you can purchase them with real life money. And there's no guarantee that if you spend money your armors will be like grade 10+ because it can fail get can be destroyed or downgrade. It also gets expensive (cause of the success rate going down) as your armor gets stronger.
For me, my parents never allowed me to purchase any stuff, so I had to spend straight 6 months to do the daily quest everyday and ended up getting all the gears to grade 5 and my laptop broke cause the motherboard burnt lol.
But yeah, I had two friends that spent $500 each month. They had everything over 8+ with Eternal Class. I find that pretty crazy comparing to Graal.

And other games are very similar to this. In 2012, I played a game called Pearl Heroes for few months before it got removed from the app store, because they couldn't maintain the server while having a very low income. The graphics were amazing, the pk system was pretty darn cool, it's even easy to level up till level 65, where the quest storyline ends. But it's just another game that cost you every penny to win. I made a friend that lives in Singapore. He spent $300 just to get his equipments better than mine, on top of that he spent extra $250 for the mount and cosmetic items. He was level 68 and I was level 74, but I got owned by him cause he spent real life money to upgrade gears.

iEra, same thing. At least iEra has an option to earn money. There was no f2p way to upgrade your gears on Pearl Heroes, and for Godswar it was extremely slow process.

The only thing that has to be fixed is the graphic quality. It should match with any heads, outfit and colors.

Are you suggesting fixing graphic quality of Graal?

wtf