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PumaD 02-19-2015 06:34 PM

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 542549)
Don't forget that a good 50% of serve managers on Graal used to be like that and worse. Not all, but a fair bit of them were even worse than that.

Graal PC.

Infernus Lapse 02-19-2015 08:33 PM

0/10 needs more quickscoping n00bz

DraGun 03-01-2015 05:47 AM

What's the point of giving suggestion and contributing when none of the staff even give a ****.

Khai 03-01-2015 06:16 AM

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Posted by DraGun (Post 544756)
What's the point of giving suggestion and contributing when none of the staff even give a ****.

I give a "****." If I wasn't only able to gani, I'd be trying to fulfill my ideas.

Zone is the way it is because of Stefan. He made Zone an Era 2 because he thought Era was doing great, so he did it for the money.

If Stefan got fired earlier, it'd be like Zone PC.

MattKan 03-01-2015 08:56 AM

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Posted by viy (Post 544758)
I give a "****." If I wasn't only able to gani, I'd be trying to fulfill my ideas.

Zone is the way it is because of Stefan. He made Zone an Era 2 because he thought Era was doing great, so he did it for the money.

If Stefan got fired earlier, it'd be like Zone PC.

Too bad Stefan is still Graal staff and it's impossible to issue updates on servers.

MysticalDragon 03-01-2015 01:15 PM

Stefan isn't staff

Shiz 03-01-2015 01:31 PM

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Posted by MattKan (Post 544775)
Too bad Stefan is still Graal staff and it's impossible to issue updates on servers.

He isn't part of Graal anymore.

Cookie Xanadu 03-01-2015 03:39 PM

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Posted by viy (Post 544758)
I give a "****." If I wasn't only able to gani, I'd be trying to fulfill my ideas.

Zone is the way it is because of Stefan. He made Zone an Era 2 because he thought Era was doing great, so he did it for the money.

If Stefan got fired earlier, it'd be like Zone PC.

Wrong, Tashkin is the full manager of iZone now, so he can do whatever he'd like, but refuses to do anything from what his past actions would show (Such as being able to change classes and what not).

Ghettoicedtea 03-01-2015 05:01 PM

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Posted by viy (Post 544758)
I give a "****." If I wasn't only able to gani, I'd be trying to fulfill my ideas.

Zone is the way it is because of Stefan. He made Zone an Era 2 because he thought Era was doing great, so he did it for the money.

If Stefan got fired earlier, it'd be like Zone PC.

zone was more like zone PC when the game started than it is now

DraGun 03-01-2015 07:34 PM

Zone turned into complete trash tbh. Map got bigger, but much of the buildings are empty with a few being misc. and most are just hats. Zone also tries too hard to produce too much contents for every upcoming holiday rather than using their time to make actual contents and gameplay. Another thing that I dislike are the guns. It means nothing in Zone. Players can go out and buy almost any gun and still dominate. And almost every single holiday there is a holiday gun released with almost the exact same stats as many other guns that is already in the gun shop. The reason why Zone has 400-500 players is because they stick around for the free trade that has nearly no regulations. 3/4 of the players that play Zone is because of the trade system which anyone can easily obtain any item, and the easy basing system which Zone introduced since the beginning. Maybe if Tashkin takes some of our advice this game wouldn't have went completely to trash.

G Fatal 03-01-2015 09:38 PM

I don't think people are right by saying zone got worse etc; it just hasn't progressed how you would have liked it.. putting updates sidebyside from the other servers i'm pretty sure zone has like roughly the same updates/bits and bobs[Bar Ol' west-content] so it isn't really anything different than era/classic update rota.

Cookie Xanadu 03-02-2015 01:13 AM

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Posted by G Fatal (Post 544880)
I don't think people are right by saying zone got worse etc; it just hasn't progressed how you would have liked it.. putting updates sidebyside from the other servers i'm pretty sure zone has like roughly the same updates/bits and bobs[Bar Ol' west-content] so it isn't really anything different than era/classic update rota.

Basically what's happening is that content is being imported from Era and Classic while a large amount of focus is being put towards holiday content and levels. Like, a LARGE bit of focus. Instead of lasting and meaningful content.

Lafez 03-02-2015 07:36 AM

Whats the point of this thread? Most people already know this.

fsh 03-08-2015 01:12 AM

Look at what everyone is accomplishing by complaining!

http://img.pandawhale.com/26532-Red-...r-Aba-OV0M.gif

Ghettoicedtea 03-08-2015 04:41 AM

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Posted by fsh (Post 546024)
Look at what everyone is accomplishing by complaining!

http://img.pandawhale.com/26532-Red-...r-Aba-OV0M.gif

look at what you are accomplishing by wasting your time here.

Itkitt321 03-08-2015 04:42 AM

Zone is dead? How??

GlazeyB 03-08-2015 08:45 AM

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Posted by PumaD (Post 542189)
Tashkin as the manager.. he's doing okay I guess. But he can't focus on Kingdoms, Kingdoms iPhone and Zone iPhone, that's clear. Kingdoms is a dead horse, he should just leave it. Same applies to Kingdoms iPhone, doubt it'll make it. Especially when he got Zone to care about aswell. He should really focus on only one server and do his best.

This right here makes it ****ing hilarious. He overburdened himself.

Elk 03-09-2015 01:02 PM

i just checked out Zone earlier, it has some potential with the theme its going, just lack of proper developers I guess... you can be pretty creative with a futuristic theme

BEH0LD iTz SAM 03-09-2015 11:28 PM

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Posted by Elk (Post 546271)
i just checked out Zone earlier, it has some potential with the theme its going, just lack of proper developers I guess... you can be pretty creative with a futuristic theme

And the tileset. That was always the turn off for me. Funny thing is the updated tileset has been 'indevelopment' since I was staff on the server, which was before zone was released. Way back then I always said there needed to be a new tileset, there needs to be things to differentiate zone from era like a day/night system and more futuristic activities to do but everyone was happy to Keep making hats and a christmas themed gun...

Ivy 03-10-2015 01:43 AM

We have a day and night system on zone, we have since last summer. :o

BEH0LD iTz SAM 03-10-2015 07:25 AM

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Posted by Shadowfox (Post 546364)
We have a day and night system on zone, we have since last summer. :o

A proper one, not the one era has

Elk 03-10-2015 11:04 AM

i agree on the tileset, but graals ideology has always been "take whats already there"

and since the map was already built with shawns shangri-la tileset, i guess it would be too much work for them to make a new one and a new main map (considering most of the map isnt even populated either way, just missions area, spar and whatsoever)

BEH0LD iTz SAM 03-11-2015 03:03 AM

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Posted by Elk (Post 546447)
i agree on the tileset, but graals ideology has always been "take whats already there"

and since the map was already built with shawns shangri-la tileset, i guess it would be too much work for them to make a new one and a new main map (considering most of the map isnt even populated either way, just missions area, spar and whatsoever)

Yea I agree shangri la was probably not the best choice of a tilset. I don't know why they opted for shawns tileset and then calling the game zone instead of just using zones tileset. When i think futuristic i think space station, not floating platform in the sky

Khai 03-11-2015 03:04 AM

come help us :)

Nabu Lapse 03-11-2015 03:32 AM

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Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM (Post 546553)
Yea I agree shangri la was probably not the best choice of a tilset. I don't know why they opted for shawns tileset and then calling the game zone instead of just using zones tileset. When i think futuristic i think space station, not floating platform in the sky

Not even that, the place is a essentially a flying shopping mall. They could have made it so much better.

Khai 03-11-2015 03:57 AM

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Posted by Nabu Lapse (Post 546559)
Not even that, the place is a essentially a flying shopping mall. They could have made it so much better.


I agree. Honestly, I think Zone should be taken off for a while to be revamped.

Ivy 03-11-2015 11:01 AM

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Posted by viy (Post 546560)
I agree. Honestly, I think Zone should be taken off for a while to be revamped.

Same...

Rotaruc 03-19-2015 04:29 PM

LOL.
Remember when I said all this shît 2 years ago ?

Gg

Distorted 03-19-2015 05:01 PM

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 544912)
Basically what's happening is that content is being imported from Era and Classic while a large amount of focus is being put towards holiday content and levels. Like, a LARGE bit of focus. Instead of lasting and meaningful content.

This. The staff are under an illusion that holiday content will make 'memorable content' that people can look back on, when in reality they ruined that with the trade tables. They messed up so many times, I quite the day they made tradeable hats.

Ghettoicedtea 03-19-2015 08:38 PM

Good news tho. Unlimited ammo was removed so now a lot of top tier guns are going to drop because they chew thrpugh ammo very quickly.

fsh 03-22-2015 05:50 PM

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-46491...-gfyc-MmVG.gif

Cookie Xanadu 03-23-2015 03:47 PM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 548003)
Good news tho. Unlimited ammo was removed so now a lot of top tier guns are going to drop because they chew thrpugh ammo very quickly.

I forgot about unlimited boolets. It's nice to know people will consider the weaker and less used weapons now. Unlimited removes any kind of punishment for wastefullness

Ghettoicedtea 03-24-2015 02:36 PM

nope never mind it back :(

Mun 03-25-2015 10:21 PM

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Posted by fsh (Post 548583)

This is oddly entertain able.

Things to make Zone a better place;
1-Remake the whole tile set as a start
2-Place strict rules on staff and monitor them and document everything
3-Balance every gun, starting from a starter gun. Remake the whole thing if needed.
4-Organize the map, tidy things up
5-Create new updates that are sustainable not temporary as holiday shops.

fsh 03-26-2015 04:48 PM

this thread is just getting started

Jester Lapse 03-27-2015 07:43 AM

Server needs more goopas

srsly tho, miss the time when jwd was manager and his focus was just making it a star wars esq server and actually had a timeline and plan laid out to follow. Ahh good times.

kenthefruit 03-27-2015 11:24 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 549703)
Server needs more goopas

srsly tho, miss the time when jwd was manager and his focus was just making it a star wars esq server and actually had a timeline and plan laid out to follow. Ahh good times.

I agree. Not so much to bash on Tashkin but Managment has deteoriated and become horrible lately.

MrSimons 03-28-2015 05:12 AM

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Posted by Rotaruc (Post 547969)
LOL.
Remember when I said all this shît 2 years ago ?

Gg

wow bro you must be psychic or something, could you drop some hints on the next president for us while you're at it.

jwd 03-28-2015 08:15 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 549703)
Server needs more goopas

srsly tho, miss the time when jwd was manager and his focus was just making it a star wars esq server and actually had a timeline and plan laid out to follow. Ahh good times.

The reason why I left was because I wanted to stay true to space combat, keep focusing on PvP and generally make it a really great PvP game. That, sadly, was not what Stefan wanted.

I wanted to attract brand new players by creating a great online PvP shoot em up, following up with a marketing plan such as great demo videos when new features were released, sending out to the various iPhone gaming blogs.

I had tonnes of plans for gameplay. Events were meant to be seamlessly integrated with the theme, none of this warping to some separate place throwing plant pots as fast as possible. I wanted to progress into dog fighting and interstellar travel too. There was loads of stuff that I could chew your ear off with but I don't want to bore anybody. Would be happy to make a document if people are interested in hearing the full plans (provided I can remember all the details).

Jester is right. I asked all the team to think about and perhaps watch popular SciFi films so as to translate that feeling into the game. Consistent themes are important, which I had to learn on the job.

What stopped me and made me jack it in? Stefan, and all the credit to him he had revenue expectations to meet, wanted to add uncreative and tried-and-tested social elements popular on Era and Classic with the goal of attracting players from those servers as opposed focusing on PvP (which I thought had a lot of potential - I played Zone a hell of a lot to get a feel for what was needed, which I totally recommend current staff should do). I was overruled.

Life caught up with me, half the team at work got fired and I was inundated with work since my assistant was one of em. The stress of necessary workload and the stress of not being able to realise the exciting ideas I had planned for ages meant I had to make a choice.

Few months later I was told that Zone was going to become a "era post-apocalypse". Glad that didn't happen.

I've tried to return to help push servers along a few times but the passion isn't there any more, not with 2 babies and still-stressful day job. Not when I'd risk putting myself into that position again - creative control is a very big motivator.

My advice would be to, as before, focus on the damn PvP because that could be ridiculously awesome. Play the game, don't get out of touch with the players. Mostly though, don't spread yourself too thin, which perhaps is what's happening here.

Giving regular, positive feedback to staff is also great idea. It's all voluntary and is based on an intrinsic motivation to help out. That should be fostered and grown for a good voluntary team.

BboyEatsbacon 03-28-2015 08:25 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 549703)
srsly tho, miss the time when jwd was manager and his focus was just making it a star wars esq server and actually had a timeline and plan laid out to follow. Ahh good times.

jstr y u nostalgic

Hugop 03-28-2015 10:10 PM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 549867)
wow bro you must be psychic or something, could you drop some hints on the next president for us while you're at it.

Mr.Bean

Jester Lapse 03-29-2015 02:03 AM

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Posted by BboyEatsbacon (Post 549975)
jstr y u nostalgic

Because zone used to be going somewhere. Now its at a standstill. Better to think of the good past than the bleak present

Cookie Xanadu 03-29-2015 02:45 AM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 550033)
Because zone used to be going somewhere. Now its at a standstill. Better to think of the good past than the bleak present

At this points there's no point in even trying anymore. There's very little interest in adding definitive features to make Zone stand out and different from every other server and Tash seems to have little interest in it as he's busy managing iKingdoms (Correct me if I'm wrong).

Ghettoicedtea 03-29-2015 06:16 PM

i want to not believe that I was y'alls last hope for PVP server. Seriously if zone can start off by finishing the weapons i created and all the special weapons i had planned that would be like the sniper rifle that shot through every obstacle and bullet speed was tripled, the charge shots and mortars. It would be a start.

Jester Lapse 03-29-2015 08:16 PM

Remember guys GIT is the hero zone deserves

As he likes to try and tell himself and us in every zone thread

kenthefruit 03-29-2015 10:49 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 550151)
Remember guys GIT is the hero zone deserves

As he likes to try and tell himself and us in every zone thread

Honestly.

Ghettoicedtea 03-30-2015 01:29 AM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 550151)
Remember guys GIT is the hero zone deserves

As he likes to try and tell himself and us in every zone thread

no h8 m8 I'm gr8 m8. I was da gzus of zone and u kno it m8. I r8 8/8

in all honesty though, how long do you think it will be until someone gets on the staff team in a position who can make a massive difference in how the game is played and tried to make the game to be PVP based and not the copy pasta era it is? Last person I know of who did this was me. If I'm wrong please do tell.

fsh 03-30-2015 02:05 AM

https://41.media.tumblr.com/6bc72fc2...s1wmo1_500.jpg

Jester Lapse 03-30-2015 02:27 AM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 550222)
no h8 m8 I'm gr8 m8. I was da gzus of zone and u kno it m8. I r8 8/8

in all honesty though, how long do you think it will be until someone gets on the staff team in a position who can make a massive difference in how the game is played and tried to make the game to be PVP based and not the copy pasta era it is? Last person I know of who did this was me. If I'm wrong please do tell.

The best part is no one cares about you and what you did on zone except you. Must of not been that great. Keep kissing your own ass, because no one else gives a **** Kanye.

Ryan 03-30-2015 03:41 AM

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