You can't really say that into you say that, it's like me saying you're ugly as hell but I never seen your face before.

So now I am immature for having an opinion? Lol, okay, well you are immature for thinking your opinion is any better than mine. Fair enough?

I do love however, how you dodge the main points that shut down your argument and go straight to insulting however. I think that just proves my point valid. If you want to be stuck up and not join the forums, then don't. No one is FORCING anyone to do anything. It is a feature that the staff have enabled to allow for a unique feel for an iOS server. But then again, your opinion and what you consider as "fact" will remain correct in contrast to those that actually work for the server and see what is happening correct?

Also note, that PC servers have their own forums as well as a section on the official forums. Complain about those as well.

Ok, I see your point, but when and if Delteria is released to iOS, they should converge to Graalians, with the staff being on board. When its released to iOS, the 'GraalOnline Delteria' forum will already be made, with or without the servers approval. And now, I don't care what the Delteria staff do with their own forum as of right now.

I think it's neat how Delteria has their own forum, I don't like how this old Bakon has gone bad.
http://www.photoflavor.com/images/bacon.jpg

That's some, gross bacon ._.

CLASSIC REPRESENT BICHES

I think (emphasise on the word think) the reason why some people are so upset about this, is because so far the Graal iOS community is pretty well connected between servers. Most Classic players are kept up to date with the happenings in the other two servers and vice versa. Developers between servers are close friends.

Delteria having their own forums is completly fine, I made an account there a long time ago. But completly shutting out the graalians community is kind of like an insult to loyal graal players. It is almost like saying "We don't want to be associated with the rest of the graal mobile community", which can be understandable considering these are unofficial forums, but the fact that this site brings in hundreds of players everyday makes it pretty real.

Will Delteria lose any playercount because they shut out graalians? No, but it does keep them out of them loop slightly with players from other servers.

No offence to Delteria staff but most of them sound ignorant and dim witted like that Emera guy/girl

You just like to try and piss people off

Graalians makes it easier for all of us to find stuff. I would have never even heard of the Delteria if it weren't for the forums. Era Classic and Zone support the graalians forums, but there's nothing about the Delteria forums I see sponsored by the iOS servers. More players come from the graalians forums.

IF DELTERIA IS SO ****ING INDEPENDENT WHY ARE THEY ADVERTISING THEIR **** HERE, SURELY IF THEY ARE SO BIG WHY CAN'T THEY DO IT IN THEIR OWN FORUMS

You are majorly annoying.


I don't get it, the original argument was that Delteria was too independent making their own forums, now it's they are too dependant for posting on here? Make up your mind please.

No, the argument is why is Delteria so independent, and i was like if they where why are they advertising their **** here

I like the Delteria forums :D

I like you. Why can't all Delteria staff be like you?

Everything you said is completely agreeable. The part about the "less experience staff" is not. If you care to disagree about the staff being experienced, my suggestion is to first know exactly who the main "core" group of guys is thats working/fueling this Delt project. Don't let a lot of these iDelt bandwagoners fool you into thinking the entire staff team is incapable.

I agree with what you say. Dusty brings in a good and true point. The ambition and ideas of Delteria is nothing entirely new.

It takes a long while to finish a project such as a "server". Those developing (especially voluntary) know just how much of a huge project it can become. Though Delteria's methods and viewpoint is nothing original, it's still one of the few that made it this far.

My question is, why is it that so few servers with their voluntary teams like iClassic, iEra, and soon to be iDelt are able to make this far?

(not trying to start an argument. just want to see your viewpoint on things.)

Classic and Era don't support Graalians, last I checked.

Hecks to the yeah!

I see many people complaining about the game itself again.
And again I say: First try, then critics!
And for the 182822 comments that will be: Ohh, but it's not released yet!
I say again: Well then wait for the release!
<3

Amen.

WOOO I made a thread that got more than 4 posts.

You can thank my arguementive behavior sir. More like me simply disagreeing, causing the Delteria staff to lash out on me.

if you think that is lashing out, you have not seen me on my period.

Is that a date ;)?

Can I has your babies PLZ.

I'm on a date with Jester, later.

Lol what?

I heard the development admin of Classic had a major argument with the manager of these forums.

Delteria is probably not the first server to set high ambitions but it's still a big deal because it's -finished- and slated to release. What previous server was released to the public and stayed around? Zodiac, and that was in 2006.

Providence
Graal Kingdoms
Maloria

These were all servers made in the same style that went live. Also, Delteria is not finished yet, nor is it live, so until that happens we should all probably wait until we start assuming it will stay around.

Because they want control.

All those servers you listed were released before Zodiac, and two of them died off.

Delteria isn't a big deal just because it's being slated to release or whether it's gonna get a lot of players or not, it's a big deal because it'll be the first server in seven years with content that isn't directly ripped from another server (referring to iZone, iEra, and iClassic)

Is that a bad thing?
God forbid Delteria for having their own website.

Rufus and Twinny run everything on here. I dont see why they cant make a subforum for Delteria since this is a fansite.

You guys should be crying to Rufus about this not Delteria.

Erm... You do know that a HUGE bulk of iDelteria's gmap is taken from the original Delteria server? And that the game uses the original Delteria server's tileset? And that a few of the dungeons are from the original server? And that the majority of the graphics are from the original server?

It rips just as much content from its parent server as iClassic and iEra did.

This is what "original Delteria" represented and I think you're misusing that term.

http://i.imgur.com/FsFJw.png

It doesn't matter if iDelteria happened to represent Delteria Dev back on PC in like 2010 because that was all made AFTER Zodiac was first released, and that's what my point hinges on.

Yes, that is the original Delteria. But I went under development and took the form of what iDelteria is like now.

Check it out here, in 2007: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...light=delteria

Though that only shows the port(which doesn't seem to have been heavily featured on iDelteria), the rest of the overworld was closed off and is actually the overworld iDelteria has up now. Here's a post from 2006 that shows something you guys are probably more familiar with: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...12&postcount=6

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...stdeltinf2.png

His point is that you can't accuse iClassic and iEra of "ripping content" from their original servers when iDelteria is doing the exact same thing.

I don't think it can be even considered "ripping" for any of those server's cases. I mean, they are ports to the iDevice from PC, they are SUPPOSED to look and feel alike in some way. Otherwise it would not be called iDelteria.

Did a have any commentary on it? It's a fact not an opinion.

Better yet, Classic and Era don't pretend to have actually made all of the content that they "ripped off".

The only sub-forums that they have made are those that have been either released or acknowledged publicly as up-coming servers by Stefan.

The Zone forum was only added ahead of its release date because Stefan posted about it coming soon on Facebook or somewhere. Delteria's had such a roller coaster schedule after the last 12 months that it's hard to say when it will come out. What if Rufus were to add a sub forum and then the server still didn't come out for another 12 months? There's honestly no reason to believe otherwise. Rufus has already said that he'd add a Delteria sub forum once the server was released or announced by Stefan that it is coming soon.

Dusty, I looked at the minimap in that 2007 screenshot you showed me and the overworld's shape doesn't resemble the current map they have right now.

In general I still think it's bad to downplay Delteria's release, because its content is still new compared to the last servers that have been released.

It is, however, considered ripping-off when Developers tend to take credit for other people's work. For example, Classic and Era were released with everybody knowing that they were ports of said original servers. Zone, however, was different, because it was pretty much ripped off from another server by Stefan, Shangri La. Delteria is also considered different by most of the community, because the new Delteria administration has essentially taken the work of old developers and given them next to no credit. Classic and Era were never introduced to the community as "brand new content", but Delteria honestly has been. There's very little reason to believe on Delteria's forums, Facebook page, server, etc. that anything was taken from past incarnates of the server, and it almost seems to me that that's exactly how the current staff team wants it.

I said it before in my previous post, but to clarify more: most of PC Delteria's content that resembles what iDelteria is now were all made on its Dev server which couldn't be played by the public. So to the public, and compared to the servers that have been released before, it's still relatively new.

Who says no credit is given to past developers? For all you know there may very well be a building in game with past developers and their contributions to this project. I have not seen ANYONE straight post they are taking credit for anything even though new things are being made every day on the server. Show me a post of someone claiming to have made something they didn't. This debate is stupid, off topic and more or less a no duh situation.

Ya okay... mhmm... ya then how about not insulting servers like iClassic and iEra with something as severe as "ripping" their own content? The content on iClassic is just as much different from the original Classic server as iDelteria is to its old dev server.

I used them as a comparison to show how new Delteria's content is compared to them.

Actually it does. The map of idelteria you are thinking of with the current server is just the tutorial island. The "real" map is identical to the minimap in that 2007 screenshot.

In that case we wouldn't know, but that doesn't change the fact that nobody does know nor has for the past year+ and the next x months / years to come.

The things that set people off are the things that get posted. Usually Delteria staff will take a screenshot, write a description, etc. of or about the server and then post it somewhere. With it, they'll write something that's obscure enough so that nobody can pin them down and accuse then that they're flat-out stealing content, but at the same time it's very open to interpretation and sends the message that it was made by whichever staff posted it or the current staff team when, in fact, it was definitely not.

A direct example is when Ohk4y posted a video of Delteria's iRC. He claimed that it was not the focal point of the video, but it clearly was and clearly implied that Delteria had made the program. He did not outright say this, but most people left that post thinking that. In that instance, Delteria essentially took credit for a program that they did not make. Whether or not it was given to them is irrelevant; the issue is that Delteria flat-out implied that they made it and that it was exclusive to their server.

Some might call it manipulation. It's clever, but it also relies on the rest of the community having a brick for a brain which, oddly enough, not all of us have.

It's not a debate right now because every post containing logic is being ignored. It's just a circle of spite which all reason being completely disregarded. Maybe you can break that trend.

iEra and iClassic are just ports and never claimed to be original. I can't speak for Era, but the only thing Classic has that's ripped from the pc server is levels. Pretty much everything else on Classic (furniture, hats, towers etc.) were never a part of the PC classic server.

As for Delteria not being ripped, I'm pretty sure Dusty summed that bit up nicely.

Alright, here's the main island.

http://delteria.net/download/attachm...3379000&api=v2

Let's compare it to the one in the 2007 screenshot.

http://i.imgur.com/knY0ey9.png

Well, let's look at the similarities. There happens to be two rivers running through the middle, and there's a little island thingy at the bottom left. However, the hook that tapers off from the right end in the 2007 screenshot seems to have completely moved down while the rest seems to have its shape stretched around. I wouldn't say it's identical, similar yes.

Albus you should read the rest I posted after my post you quoted.