The fact it was held back a year by stefan, then released with only 3missions and 2pvp maps only is what makes players moan as they would obviously except alot more or atleast have alot of stuff hidden already to be released, but it really seem's that they don't.

Advice for staff, of what I would do to steady the critics:
I would start with these first
-Release PVP Squad basing ASAP with ldrbd,
(Would deffo silence players, while hard work can continue)
-More ways to get gralats (NEEDED)
-Make melee faster its so slow;thats discouraging. (so more will want to spar)

Agreed with Ozzy.

Did you play any other games? A lot of games set up overprized weapons at holidays, that's nothing new to me.. Also, it's showing how overprized it is, but you have to add one factor: it's a holiday gun, which means it will be sold once only, may be next christmas but I think other guns will replace this one in one year. And by the way, it's not as the riffle you named, it's worse.

overpriced*


Plus like biker said, I don't care if its a holiday gun. This is not classic/era where items are special due to the date.
If it is worse than the Engraged Rifle, why bother?

And no, I don't play other games. Graal online.

"This is not classic/era where items are special due to the date." Hmm?

And if you play other games where you can buy items/weapons, you would know that this isn't something new, this happens on nearly every game.


Please, read that again.. as I said, the staff needs time to fit in aswell, it's not how you think all the time.

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I don't play other games other than Graal.

I understood. I wanted to tell you that this is usual for online games.

The prices should not vary on the holiday and should not be more expensive and the worse value than the original guns.

May be the recoil of the gun is less? Damage isn't what a gun is about, not even on Zone.

You can't use other games to give reason why Zone is doing this. This is Graalonline. Not AdventureQuest, WoW, Runescape.


Online games do not sell the same way.

You don't even know the stats of the Xmas Rifle?

@Prynce
The 'look' of a gun does not make its price.
An item that is sold to the public, even for a short period is NOT rare.
Does less damage than the EGRifle, and costs more.
No reason to argue, its all against it.

It is a reason, selling it only once/once a year makes it expensive. And may be it's shooting faster, the magazine is bigger, or the recoil less? Damage isn't the only factor.

You can't say maybe.

Do you know the stats of the Xmas Rifle to prove your point?

It is not better than the engaged rifle in any way.
Now, do you agree?

Items that are sold to the public for a short time, then re-sold in 12 months, are not rare. Because they'll always be buy-able.
Rare items: NOT sold to the public, can ONLY be obtained trough special events, auctions or giveaways.
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Prynce I'd just like to say your stupid.

They've already reskinned iera to IZONE and you can already see a ****load of era stuff. More classic stuff would be nice.

iZone is iZone, why ask for classic, era stuff?

Totally agree with you,JakeRage.

How do you know they'll re-sell it next Christmas?

And no, I don't have any stats like ROF, or rounds per clip etc., that's why I put a "may be" there.

You may prove me wrong, but I'm pretty sure you're the one who suggested that they would resell it next christmas as some point, or something along them lines.

This is, to say the least, amusing. I haven't been on due to me spending time with family but from what I am reading everyone is mad over one item? You don't HAVE to get the item, you don't HAVE to melee spar. Hold on to your undies and wait for the squad spar / gun spar. Anyone ever think maybe this update is to appease the spar crowd a little while the staff works on something larger behind the scenes? Of course, if you want, we could just not update and do one update every 2 months for the large stuff. But no. You guys want these small updates every day don't you? Just because something doesn't appeal to you doesn't mean you need to cry. Just wait for something that does appeal to you to come along. We have to make the game fitting for EVERYONE, not just you or the popular opinion. Fin.

Lol?

I don't think I did, I said they could replace this gun with another christmas riffle next christmas. If I didn't say it this way, you know what I mean now. :0

Cry? No one except the OP is crying.

Everyone unbunch your panties. The time it has taken you to have this argument, you could have worked for the Christmas Rifle by now. Arguing isn't going to change crap.
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I can't unbunch my panties because I'm naked right now.

LOL

Jester whether or not you have to buy the item it doesn't change the fact that it is blatently OP. I don't HAVE to buy it but other people will and then use it. It's not as simple as ignoring the problem.

It's a melee, if you allow someone to get close enough to use it effectively on you then you deserved to get owned. Play smart.

As for spar, I haven't checked it yet. Does losing the spar affect you negatively? Is there a reward for winning? If no, then again, it is a for fun activity, consider it a luxury.

Concerning the price, there is pretty much still nothing to buy at this point. You could get the sword in a day without packs. I see no problem with things being a little high in price because people are just stockpiling money anyways after having bought all the guns.

Also, Imprint, I do not know what it is you have against iZone, but it seems you have said nothing but negativity towards it. If there is something bugging you, feel free to message me.

I've explained why I'm so critical of Zone to JWD it's not meant to be malicious.

I suggest make melee weapons faster.

Well it does seem that way seeing as you continue to put aside the great things the staff team has done and only voice your opinion on some questionable or "wrong" by popular opinion things. Even a critic knows how to say well done every now and then.

Anyways, I feel I have addressed all the points here to the best of my ability. I still see nothing wrong with the spar or the melee item. If there is a point I did miss, please let me know.

Jester my point is why is useless crap like a melee spar being released before key features? Alot of people are pissed off.

More melees will be added in the future, such as lightsaber. These may be faster, as I stated this is to satisfy a taste of the big picture we are working on. I am noticing some people are used to how other servers just put something out and leave it. Here at zone, most of our updates lead to things, we give you tastes of what is to come. If you are angry about this update, look at the possibilities as to what may be here in the future, not just what is there. Think outside the box, hopefully you guys can adapt to this way of thinking because we would love to keep providing updates at this pace for you all.

Again, it is released because that portion is finished. What JWD is working on for squad spar 1v1 2v2 3v3 gun spar is complex and will take some time and effort before it is done. The thing it, you KNOW it is coming, you just choose to ignore the future and fixate on the present.

Here are the options as I see it.

1) You get a large good update every week or so with nothing in between.
2) You get a large good update every week or so with small stuff in between.

I also agree with Imprint's criticism.

LMAO!! Do you not see the irony in this?!

Finally realize what it is like to be on the receiving end of "Update Complaint" right?

No one said you had to play zone a spend all your money and participate in spars.

Yes, I am learning a lot during my time as staff. I had apologized to Snk a while back about that stuff however.

Still don't see why the new melee cost more than the top gun atm lol.

....I didn't expect that kind of reply. When the fck did you upgrade? :)

Again, I have not been on and just going off of what I have read in RC chat and here but does the sword have special features or a unique gani or something?

Also, it makes sense to me for melee's to be expensive because there is only one whereas there are five guns. Having the melee is more of a luxury than a necessity and luxury things do tend to cost more.

My views, won't be shared with everyone, but that is why I think it is the price it is. Of course, that may not be the actual answer as I was not on during the time of its addition.

Like I said, I am learning a lot about developing and the energy it takes to put into a live server. My actions back then were as someone looking in on something I did not fully understand. Now that I can see the things it takes to get stuff working and functioning properly, I can respect how some updates do take time.

Jester how is the new melee a luxury when you have to have that to spar atm? You won't win with the starter knife.

True.

I havent been on.

Is it really called the muramasa?
http://wiki.terrariaonline.com/images/c/c2/Muramasa.png

Dont use adventure quest anymore bro, adventure quest worlds is more like graal than adventure quest. And in my opinion, iZone has fallen short on its claims to being more improved than the old one. It may have fixed the controls, but the current issue with all servers are the pricing and money making ways. At first it was great, id make 2k in half an hour, now with the deduction from levelling update so you can play "higher level" quests which arent even out, it just ruins money making. Ive had many concerns with izone so far, im already tired of zone enough to where im going back to era. iZone just has to do a couple simple things, itd only hinder development by maybe two or three hours. So my message to iZone staff, dont let stupid pricing and levelling income bring this whole server back to where the original zone is, you can fix this. I still believe you can get this done and make izone better than the old one and even better than iera someday, just please be more productive and act ALOT more in player feedback.

Luxury? It being the only melee is not a luxury, that is NOT how you price things, man. It may be the only melee but what will staff do when more come out, make them cost more than the maramusa? No. The price should be based on its stats, thats my #1 indicator on how good something is, which you and the other staff have done an amazing job on already (what people dont realize is the christmas gun is like a collectors gun, its rare which is why the price is higher, its the first holiday weapon ever). And its good that your learning the development process, the best way to learn development or any skill for that matter is in the field actually doing it and recieving feedback, thats what makes great developers, i praise you for that, but once in a while, from what ive seen on servers, itd be the most productive thing to do if you took player feedback on pricing and such and adapting he price based on that, you dont have to reduce the price if you dont want to, then the most suggested route would be to buff the melee itself, which is Sams field of work. Those are really my only concerns besides you guys needing to release more missions based on level if your gonna reduce the whole payload for that, i dont want to have to keep my graal character combat efficient on gralat packs alone. So yep, other than that, good luck with the development process and im actually excited to see how you guys try to fix the pricing issue, whether you decide to reduce orices or have sam buff the guns. Good luck and ill see you on izone, bro.

Yes I will continue to state melee's are a luxury simply because there will be few of them from what I know. Stefan and JWD don't want to add a lot, so the next and probably last melee for a long time will most likely be the lightsaber.

As stated before about the price, there is still nothing to buy. I have seen people stockpiling money now from winning showdown/playing PvP maps and they have all, if not, all the guns they want.

Let me put it another way. Not every single item is meant to be obtained by everyone. Not every single release it meant to appease everyone. Not every single update will be modified to the popular opinion or liking. Why? Because you are not everyone. For the people that did buy the sword, and are enjoying sparring, that is their thing. They are happy. Do you have to buy the sword? No. Do you have to melee spar? No. It doesn't take that long to make 8000 if you play smart I think.

In any case, the same people gripping about the melee spar, are in all actuality just wanting the gun spar I think. Once the squad v squad system as well as the 1v1 2v2 3v3 system is released, I am sure you will all change your minds or quickly forget this. If you want to hinder the process of these new features for us to fix the melee spar that isn't broken however, well, longer wait for you I guess.

I payed 8k for a Melee that you only use in spar and it doesn't even show your spar record on your profile, I want a REFUND!

The only thing I was disappointed in is the fact that your spar record isn't even displayed.

@jester
Even if there were only 5 melees that would be released, how can the 1st melee be sold for such a high price?
It is a big exagerated. 5k would have been "ok"-still expensive.
But you're right everyone has his own opinion, still think this is not really necessary.
Scares me, because the price of the saber, next melees will then be 8000+.
We'll end up at 10k+ for a melee, which will be too much.

I think that is a good thing at this point, otherwise spar WOULD be pay2win. The fact the spar is not recorded or showing just indicates it is a for fun side activity. If the records were shown then I think I would have more of a problem with the melee's price and the way the spar happens.

I hope the records are shown however, for the 1v1 gun spars as that is a more fair battlefield and in all honestly, is what should be the focus of spars.

Are you basing that off facts or assuming based on other servers? For all you know, the lightsaber will be 8000 as well and the only difference will be a reduced speed + power increase or vice versa.