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Dusty 11-25-2012 05:08 AM

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Posted by Bin (Post 240286)
And every post you make in response to me bumps this thread and helps my cause. Thanks for your continued support.

You'd just bump it yourself anyways, because even if everyone ignored you you'd get the impression it's their fault, not yours.

Bin 11-25-2012 05:08 AM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 240282)
Yes, yes you can complain. But it is at the owners hands whether your wants are carried out, and its just downright annoying when you don't respect what they want.

User feedback is critical to the success of any social website, product, or game. Facebook has groups devoted to criticizing Facebook. This might be a shock to your totalitarian mind, but those groups have been successful several times in changing certain features of the site. Each and every person on the game has the right to set forth their opinion.

Blueh 11-25-2012 05:08 AM

Looks like we got a great show tonight boys and girls! Are you sure you aren't hungry? I've got plenty to to around.

http://i.imgur.com/wi5K7l.jpg

Froggy Krueger 11-25-2012 05:09 AM

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Posted by LavaClaw (Post 240287)
hail satan

*seitan, if you want the way that that one religion that worships seitan says it

Hadi 11-25-2012 05:09 AM

Bin, the bugs will be back after the snow. In the meantime go outside.

Bin 11-25-2012 05:09 AM

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Posted by NCJohn (Post 240292)
*Looks to see if anything has been changed over the past hour due to this thread* Doesn't look like your cause is getting any where. I think you should calm down now.

LOL! My advocacy for changes to towers took months.

Froggy Krueger 11-25-2012 05:10 AM

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Posted by Bin (Post 240296)
User feedback is critical to the success of any social website, product, or game. Facebook has groups devoted to criticizing Facebook. This might be a shock to your totalitarian mind, but those groups have been successful several times in changing certain features of the site. Each and every person on the game has the right to set forth their opinion.

wut

NCJohn 11-25-2012 05:11 AM

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Posted by Bin (Post 240296)
This might be a shock to your totalitarian mind, but those groups have been successful several times in changing certain features of the site.

Belittling people isn't going to get much support for your "cause"; just saying :l ...

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Posted by Blueh (Post 240297)
Looks like we got a great show tonight boys and girls! Are you sure you aren't hungry? I've got plenty to to around.

http://i.imgur.com/wi5K7l.jpg

I'll take the sour patch kids.

MrSimons 11-25-2012 05:13 AM

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Posted by Bin (Post 240296)
User feedback is critical to the success of any social website, product, or game. Facebook has groups devoted to criticizing Facebook. This might be a shock to your totalitarian mind, but those groups have been successful several times in changing certain features of the site. Each and every person on the game has the right to set forth their opinion.

Yes, I am a crazed totalitarian who has zero belief that people can make a difference in something, I mean why else would I use this community forum? I think people should express their opinions on a product or service until the owner rejects it, at that point why bother? I am sure Rufus won't change his mind. So please go to bed and come back in the spring.

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Posted by Bin (Post 240300)
LOL! My advocacy for changes to towers took months.

Yes it may have, sadly it seemed as though people supported your cause, whereas here it hit the floor in minutes, staff won't change their mind because one little baby is crying.

Froggy Krueger 11-25-2012 05:14 AM

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Posted by Blueh (Post 240297)
Looks like we got a great show tonight boys and girls! Are you sure you aren't hungry? I've got plenty to to around.

http://i.imgur.com/wi5K7l.jpg

Pfft, why'd you get sour patch kids. Reese's pieces are so much better. And I hope that's a coke, otherwise you're going back to concessions

Bin 11-25-2012 05:14 AM

Rufus doesn't own this game, lol. And thank god he doesn't.

Hadi 11-25-2012 05:15 AM

I thank god that you dont own this game.

MrSimons 11-25-2012 05:17 AM

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Posted by Bin (Post 240315)
Rufus doesn't own this game, lol. And thank god he doesn't.

No but he is Staff for it, and he is in charge of the whole bug project which is all you seem to be concerned about.

twilit 11-25-2012 05:36 AM

Blueh pass teh popcorn plz.
k im going back to bed now.

Higbey 11-25-2012 05:37 AM

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Posted by Bin (Post 240222)

Yeah, we need an army of Higbeys. If everyone provided their honest feedback and demanded more from staff, they would get it. Guaranteed. Instead, they sit around like LavaClaws, with their heads up their butts, complacently accepting an inferior game.

Hey! Dont make me seem like I support you!

I support freedom of speech, feedback, players trying to improve the game and having a voice, I suggested ways how to fix the bug thing, and my opinion on it, if I had the cricket sprite sheet I would make the mountain weta for it.


You are like the straw man fallacy of me incarnate. You are the crazy PETA activists compared to animal lovers.
You make me look bad because you go crazy and become an extremist, twice as aggressive as me, basically every bad quality of me exaggerated..

Bin 11-25-2012 05:40 AM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 240347)
Hey! Dont make me seem like I support you!

I support freedom of speech, feedback, players trying to improve the game and having a voice, I suggested ways how to fix the bug thing, and my opinion on it, if I had the cricket sprite sheet I would make the mountain weta for it.


You are like the straw man fallacy of me incarnate. You are the crazy PETA activists compared to animal lovers.
You make me look bad because you go crazy and become an extremist, twice as aggressive as me, basically every bad quality of me exaggerated..

I didn't realize that I was in the presence of Jesus! Can you make me a fish sandwich?

Froggy Krueger 11-25-2012 05:40 AM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 240347)
Hey! Dont make me seem like I support you!

This made my day. I don't know why, but it did.

iHot 11-25-2012 07:38 AM

K this is getting way out of hand Rufus needs to step in and stop it because right now the only user causing problems is Bin. Bin you need to be quiet it's just some bugs on a game they'll be back in spring and believe me you'll still be playing.

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Posted by Bin (Post 240354)
I didn't realize that I was in the presence of Jesus! Can you make me a fish sandwich?

Posts like these only make us hate you more and lose support for your "cause."

Jester Lapse 11-25-2012 07:43 AM

After reading this thread I learned 2 things

1)Drinking all that lemonade was a bad idea, I gotta go potty
2)There are 2 types of people. The people that bitch about wanting change. And those that strive to make a difference. What you are doing is bitching. Want to see a change? Make it happen

Santa Claus 11-25-2012 08:43 AM

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Posted by Froggy Krueger (Post 240255)
Obama has a good point. Also, don't name yourself after a terrorist

so you are saying everyone named "Bin" is a terrorist?

Sir 11-25-2012 08:57 AM

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Posted by Santa Claus (Post 240569)
so you are saying everyone named "Bin" is a terrorist?

Indeed, his name is Bin, although underneath his name it reads, "Graal Terrorist"

Kiwi 11-25-2012 09:12 AM

Bin, do yourself a favour and stop complaining. Please. The best way to get your ideas across isn't to go and rage at everyone, it's to be polite and try and convince people calmly that it's a good idea through persuasive language.

And it isn't the current state of Graal, it's the state of iClassic. Just iClassic. You can find quests elsewhere. Bug catching is perfectly logical, if you ask me. Though, you should be able to at other places like the 1000 hours place in Snowtown, where they have that biodome thing or whatever it's called. Snow can't get in there. Not sure why the grass would be in the building though. :3

I do sort of agree that the 1k hat should stop, when it reaches a milestone number (ten, twenty-five, fifty, etc). From then on the guilds should just go in a guild hall of fame or something. No statues, just a plaque that reads the name of the guild, the date, and maybe a brief list of the members.

Other people find the game fun, and they seem fine with the way it is. Maybe it just means the game isn't for you anymore. It's possible to grow out of it.

iHot 11-25-2012 09:14 AM

State of Graal=SOG
LOL'd

Fireenn 11-25-2012 09:35 AM

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iRiley 11-25-2012 03:04 PM

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Posted by Kiwi (Post 240597)
Bin, do yourself a favour and stop complaining. Please. The best way to get your ideas across isn't to go and rage at everyone, it's to be polite and try and convince people calmly that it's a good idea through persuasive language.

And it isn't the current state of Graal, it's the state of iClassic. Just iClassic. You can find quests elsewhere. Bug catching is perfectly logical, if you ask me. Though, you should be able to at other places like the 1000 hours place in Snowtown, where they have that biodome thing or whatever it's called. Snow can't get in there. Not sure why the grass would be in the building though. :3

I do sort of agree that the 1k hat should stop, when it reaches a milestone number (ten, twenty-five, fifty, etc). From then on the guilds should just go in a guild hall of fame or something. No statues, just a plaque that reads the name of the guild, the date, and maybe a brief list of the members.

Other people find the game fun, and they seem fine with the way it is. Maybe it just means the game isn't for you anymore. It's possible to grow out of it.

Make a long story short please.

NCJohn 11-25-2012 03:27 PM

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Posted by Fireenn (Post 240623)
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Winter 11-25-2012 03:37 PM

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Posted by Bin (Post 240194)
Here is the current state of Graal:
  • No bug catching (except at VIP Oasis which is NOT fun)
  • No quests
  • Hat chasers still dominate towers because staff refuse to limit or eliminate 1k hats
  • Nothing fun to do at all anymore

  • Bugs don't normally come out in winter.. I'm sure they'll be back soon enough!
  • There were a few quests added, but the idea of adding more is creeping closer towards becoming a dead zone because players complete the quests in 10 minutes and tell all their friends how to do it, and what they get out of it. It's not even worth the time to add them.
  • I thought they already eliminated that prize? I've been in a guild that reached that point and got no prize. It wasn't needed, but I guess you gotta give them some credit. Anyways, it doesn't bother me at all, really. If they feel the need to reach the goal, awesome.
  • I like to talk to friends, spar, explore new areas, PK, and help new people get used to the game. It's much more fun than bug catching in my opinion. You should try it!

I feel like Bin really thinks Rufus is a terrible staff member.. I also feel like while the end to a server is inevitable, Ruf prolonged the existence and life of the server for a while now- even before he was staff! Bin, I have yet to read a post written by you that states anything positive about any staff member. My only explanation for this is that you must be a Negative Nancy, and should probably open up your eyes to the glass that is half full..

Constructive criticism accompanied by a full understanding of the concept is great; Anything short of this is either quickly dropped, or escalates into an unnecessary flame war in which nobody takes a step forward.. This thread should be closed, and if Bin wants to bring up the topic again, he may do so in a more constructive manner. Nobody likes a complainer. :shy:

G Fatal 11-25-2012 03:48 PM

Graal's stuck in a cycle of repetitiveness and I doubt it will ever change...

Only reason most keep around is because they still come on to chat to friends that they met ingame or because they are clinging on to hope of the game actually progressing into something they have wanted from day1... Also with the little updates that make them believe that they are working there arses off making a big storyline/quest E.G. remi and marions quests, golden gate, the void(for brief time) even little edits like making another path/stairs above the battle arena... having an event tent, adding a room in the bank etc.

ALL THESE GIVE PLAYERS HOPE... but in reality it's all to keep the players.

Godoco 11-25-2012 04:02 PM

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Posted by Winter (Post 240693)
My only explanation for this is that you must be a Negative Nancy, and should probably open up your eyes to the glass that is half full..

i believe the correct term is "Debbie Downer."

Winter 11-25-2012 04:03 PM

I dislike the name Debbie.

iHot 11-25-2012 04:03 PM

Bin thinks he's some Graal Freedom Fighter it's hilarious.

Godoco 11-25-2012 04:22 PM

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Posted by Bin (Post 240354)
I didn't realize that I was in the presence of Jesus! Can you make me a fish sandwich?

http://i.imgur.com/ezxfx.jpg

Santa Claus 11-25-2012 07:45 PM

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) so much butthurt.

Zen 11-25-2012 07:48 PM

So many posts.... Let's recap: RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE AT BIN NOWWWWWWWW HE INSULTED MEEEEEEEEEEE

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

Remorse 11-25-2012 09:31 PM

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Posted by Santa Claus (Post 240863)
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Kiwi 11-25-2012 09:33 PM

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Posted by iRiley (Post 240677)
Make a long story short please.

It isn't a story. :smile:

Bubba De Orc 11-25-2012 09:37 PM

You guys need a break from a tired mmo with a more tired staff. Order and chaos is really nice. You guys spend 10$ on Virtual Gralat packs everyday. Why not spend 7$ on order and chaos. lol hope I make 5-10 of you quit this junk of an mmo. And no I'm not an OaC advertiser.

G Fatal 11-25-2012 09:39 PM

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Posted by iRiley (Post 240677)
Make a long story short please.

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Posted by Gricey (Post 240697)
Only reason most keep around is because they still come on to chat to friends that they met ingame or because they are clinging on to hope of the game actually progressing into something they have wanted from day1... Also with the little updates that make them believe that they are working there arses off making a big storyline/quest E.G. remi and marions quests, golden gate, the void(for brief time) even little edits like making another path/stairs above the battle arena... having an event tent, adding a room in the bank etc.

ALL THESE GIVE PLAYERS HOPE... but in reality it's all to keep the players.

^ In shorter terms, they need new activities/guild activities

Bubba De Orc 11-25-2012 09:39 PM

I totally agree with Bin. But sadly this game ain't changing if some money hungry staff members don't get fired ( not revealing who, I don't want to get killed ) you guys seriously need to move on with life, or just try a new mmo or game.

G Fatal 11-25-2012 09:41 PM

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Posted by Bubba De Orc (Post 240958)
You guys spend 10$ on Virtual Gralat packs everyday.

Who the hell does that!?

Kiwi 11-25-2012 09:42 PM

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Posted by Gricey (Post 240961)
^ In shorter terms, they need new activities/guild activities

Was talking about my post ;)

G Fatal 11-25-2012 09:45 PM

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Posted by Bubba De Orc (Post 240962)
I totally agree with Bin. But sadly this game ain't changing if some money hungry staff members don't get fired ( not revealing who, I don't want to get killed ) you guys seriously need to move on with life, or just try a new mmo or game.

Yeah I totally agree if someone goes for a job whether its voluntarily or not they should put effort in or leave if they don't like players who moan that the game isn't progressing without players moaning the game would never progress...

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Posted by Kiwi (Post 240965)
Was talking about my post ;)

lol :(

NCJohn 11-25-2012 09:47 PM

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Posted by Bubba De Orc (Post 240958)
You guys need a break from a tired mmo with a more tired staff. Order and chaos is really nice. You guys spend 10$ on Virtual Gralat packs everyday. Why not spend 7$ on order and chaos. lol hope I make 5-10 of you quit this junk of an mmo. And no I'm not an OaC advertiser.

Nice try, OaC advertiser.

Higbey 11-25-2012 10:04 PM

Bubba leave this forum for a OaC forum then

Zen 11-25-2012 10:05 PM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 240983)
Bubba leave this forum for a OaC forum then

He probably owns the OaC unofficial forum.

iRiley 11-26-2012 02:01 AM

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Posted by Kiwi (Post 240953)
It isn't a story. :smile:

Yes it is.

But nevermind. Winter's post surpasses yours.

meganey98 11-26-2012 02:25 AM

Don't let other people to quit, we like this game. That is why we are still playing it.

MrSimons 11-26-2012 03:30 AM

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Posted by meganey98 (Post 241224)
Don't let other people to quit, we like this game. That is why we are still playing it.

There are quite a few people that could make the game a lot better if they quit.

twilit 11-26-2012 04:32 AM

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Posted by Fireenn (Post 240623)
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+rep

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Posted by Winter (Post 240693)
I feel like Bin really thinks Rufus is a terrible staff member.. I also feel like while the end to a server is inevitable, Ruf prolonged the existence and life of the server for a while now- even before he was staff! Bin, I have yet to read a post written by you that states anything positive about any staff member. My only explanation for this is that you must be a Negative Nancy, and should probably open up your eyes to the glass that is half full..

Constructive criticism accompanied by a full understanding of the concept is great; Anything short of this is either quickly dropped, or escalates into an unnecessary flame war in which nobody takes a step forward.. This thread should be closed, and if Bin wants to bring up the topic again, he may do so in a more constructive manner. Nobody likes a complainer. :shy:

*whistle* wooo +rep

Bubba De Orc 11-26-2012 04:40 AM

I'm no OaC advertiser. I'm just being open and serious. Well, wrong post ^ iGraal Classic is just for people who are socially rejected that need some online friends. lol. Being honest here trash me.

If you read my previous posts all are relevant to the game and revolving Classic, these past 2-3 posts have just been telling you guys there's stuff beyond Graal classic. But I guess you guys aren't hardcore gamers. No wonder.


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