I'm sorry, but Azrael was the one that initiated the flame war, not me.

Posting just to call another player an idiot isn't exactly cheerful either.

I take it this includes the "coming 2011!" video that was posted a few days back?

So many things wrong with this I'm not quite sure where to begin.
First of I see that many people refer to what Thor said to or about Stefan as harrassment when its more light jokes about his ignorance towards his own game.

Staff have spent three years re-making Classic and players have spent three years waiting for the server to release only to have removed from the playerlist tab straight after release. People have payed money to upgrade their accounts just for the sake of playing Graal the Adventure, its not fair on us that our manager be removed and we left with someone who already has quite alot on their plate to deal with and won't be able to commit the time Thor has into Classic.

Stefan's digging his own grave. I'm also pretty pissed about this.

That being said, why do talented developers even touch Graal any more? I personally haven't logged more than 2 hours a month on Graal in the last few years, and those hours were just reverse engineering or just seeing the state of things. Ever since I stopped developing on Graal, I've gotten a contract with Sony to develop a PS Vita game, a full ride to college because of some portfolio projects I completed during this time, and a huge network of contacts that can get me a job at any point in my college career because they know that I'm a good programmer. If I was still developing for Graal I'd just be wasting my time and getting abused.

I think once you pass a certain skill ceiling you should stop developing for Graal altogether, because talented developers always seem to get shafted. Not only that, but if you have the skills you might as well apply them to something that can build a career for you rather than just ****ing around on a game.

You know nothing of Xor's work. Stefan and Xor talk everyday. iClassic is a profitable server. The best server in the history of Graal. Say what you want about its content, but Graal wouldn't be anywhere without Xor's management. Trust me on this--and I have no reason to lie. I don't staff anymore. It's just the straight up nonpartisan truth. You need not spread bull**** without knowing him or seen the results through RC yourself.

Also RC stuff really shouldn't really be posted on forums, but this is freaking awesome. Waita go Stefan! Good to see people who deserve something receive it and people who do nothing but talk meaningless game politics get booted out. It's about damn time.

Yeah, graal doesn't have a history of treating developers well.

let me break this up.


You know nothing of Xor's work.
Maybe I don't know internally what he's doing, but I've seen from a player perspective the responses he has made to many situations.

Stefan and Xor talk everyday.
I imagine they do communicate regularly, but I doubt Stefan has been auditing his work because if he knew of all of the things he has done, he would never let him manage such a highly profitable game

iClassic is a profitable server.
Of course it is, so many people play it and it has much potential. Its not just where it is because of Xor though, many talented developers helped make what exists, and there really aren't any games like it in the iOS app store. There is not a single open world MMO on the app store that focuses on socialization, and overall fair play in terms of combat. It is probably also the only commercial MMO that allows players to completely customize their character from scratch using graphics they created themselves.

iClassic is an amazing game. It doesn't really fit my interests much anymore, but the concept of it is great.

The best server in the history of Graal.
This is opinion based, but in terms of how many people play it, you could say it was the most successful server based on popularity.
Also, I thought verbs are a mandatory asset in a sentence.

Say what you want about its content, but Graal wouldn't be anywhere without Xor's management. Trust me on this--and I have no reason to lie.

Well obviously if the server had no manager the who staff team would be less organized and keeping track of everything would be more difficult. A server does need a manager. However, there are many people who can do a better job at it than him

I'm not saying I could do a better job, because I would be a terrible manager of such a large game. I don't have enough time to devote to it, I am too young, and I lack the organizational skills to be able to keep things going smoothly.



I don't staff anymore. It's just the straight up nonpartisan truth.
Nor do I, my Graal pc account has been a trial for over a year now I believe.

You need not spread bull**** without knowing him or seen the results through RC yourself.
Having been globally banned by him for 45 days for jokingly telling a close friend something I read on Azrael's public blog was a rumor, I have seen some of the decisions he has made. Worse yet, he labeled it as "Purposely destroying game content" under server destruction, making it seem as if I tried deleting all the files on the server or something. Luckily, Stefan was generous enough to fix the reason to something more accurate.

I don't mind him firing me for that, it was a reasonable choice since I was spreading misinformation and I was never a very good gp in the first place. I wouldn't have even minded if he banned my iPhone account too because it had access to other players from the server. But of course he was too lazy to do that. Instead he bans my pc account which can't do any further "harm".

I've also seen him talking about beta keys for some game on rc, then at the same time when I asked a question about something related to my role as a gp(think it was asking about one of our policies or something), he immediately started yelling at me threatening being fired for spamming-I only asked once.

Also RC stuff really shouldn't really be posted on forums, but this is freaking awesome. Waita go Stefan! Good to see people who deserve something receive it and people who do nothing but talk meaningless game politics get booted out. It's about damn time.

Basically Stefan just assumed and got out his ban hammer.Oh well you know what they say about people who just assume.

Now i see that stefan is the model staff member to base all iclassic hirings off of. I got banned from classic for saying "hi" while a sign was picked up. And plus i got banned for the same amount of time as the anonymous members who hacked iera in april 2011. So apparently saying hi on a sign is hacking.

At the end of the day it's Stefan's game and he can do whatever the **** he wants with it. Thor's ban was a 50/50 call in my opinion, some people will either agree or disagree. He has disrespected and obviously offended Stefan and that will result in some sort of punishment, but he's banned now and there's nothing you or I can do about it. His ban will expire over the coming weeks and everything will be fine again.

Moving right along...

if you're content with the status quo maybe. willing to let them spit in your face and watch your creative endeavor die out when all they really care about is how many suckers they can dupe out of the dough.
especially if he's so far removed he actually believed Xor had anything at all to do with pc Classic, but that was never what this thread was about.
it was to point out that while Thor crossed the line, stefan still had to lie to justify it.

Can you really support someone who's willing to lie to you?
or
someone who just wanted to give people the chance to experience a
Good Game.

Your posts are hard to read, I'd really like it if you improved your grammar. And I mean this in the most nicest possible way :)

ON TOPIC:
I know it's hard seeing something you worked so hard for ripped away before your eyes, unjustly. However you yourself admit that Thor crossed the line. That surely indicates something.

He'll be back before you know it, stop stressing Nello!

Stefan's remarks about getting observer mode may have been untrue (according to your side of the story), but Thor ****-talking about iClassic was very real, as well tension between the two staff teams perhaps not recently but in past were there and still appeared to be there considering Stefan brought it up. I would suspect that was also a contributing factor towards Stefan's unwillingness to really respond to Thor.

I also think Classic PC blaming it entirely on Observer mode isn't right either, it had a poor launch week (everyone's quest progress getting reset, killed it for me) and pretty much settled back in the position it was when it went off the server list before. Something else is wrong with Graal the Adventure and it isn't just Observer mode.

I believe Thor will eventually be unbanned and probably given back his position as (a Trial) Manager on Classic PC though. I pretty much went through the same thing except I just pissed off the PWA, so Thor is kind of in a unique situation here but an apology could probably get him through it at least it did for Azrael.

From a developing standpoint everything that's happened was expected and observer mode was almost entirely the reason. but i'm not going to get into that and it isn't the point of this thread.

Still. it'd be nice if an owner didn't have to lie to justify his action. even nicer if he would treat a professional development team with respect.

Anyway, Classic is back on the serverlist and has returned from inactive status to just semi-dead. Rejoice.

All work ffcmike put into the server..

Time spent working on a server doesn't mean a thing, which is why I highly recommend you don't even bother wasting months developing on Graal if you're the type who constantly pushes buttons.

see all he did probably was say sorry