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Tay A. 12-27-2017 02:57 PM

you should contact wings and talk to him about this

Lyvia 12-27-2017 08:49 PM

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Posted by J* (Post 805073)
2. Nathan HAD seen the sprite, a member of our gang leaked an early version of the hat (funnily enough that member is now in silence).
3. It is clearly plaguerised. Like Eugeen said, the line-art is similar and various details were clearly copied. Not to mention the literal 'eye-dropping" of the colours.

First of all, yes - I didn't compare the lineart since I haven't had that much time to go on the laptop lately. Thanks for making this gif Eugeen.
Already the same color scheme caught my attention.

You said the member leaked the early version. Do you have that version by any chance? Did it have the shape and color scheme yet?

And yeah - the points you bring up sound reasonable. As Tay already adviced you to contact Wingsfield about it, it is really the best thing to do.

TomatoPanda 12-27-2017 09:29 PM

Quote:

Posted by J* (Post 805073)
2. Nathan HAD seen the sprite, a member of our gang leaked an early version of the hat (funnily enough that member is now in silence).

It all makes sense now lmao i swear the gang needs removed

J* 12-28-2017 12:06 AM

(Quoted the wrong post whoops)

No i don't have any previous copies, if anything Whippy might but its not necessary. Most of the changes from memory were minor details and some different shading choices. Line-art and the color pallete were mostly the same from from the get-go

TWIZ 12-28-2017 12:22 AM

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Posted by Lyvia (Post 805128)
First of all, yes - I didn't compare the lineart since I haven't had that much time to go on the laptop lately. Thanks for making this gif Eugeen.
Already the same color scheme caught my attention.

You said the member leaked the early version. Do you have that version by any chance? Did it have the shape and color scheme yet?

And yeah - the points you bring up sound reasonable. As Tay already adviced you to contact Wingsfield about it, it is really the best thing to do.

Who are you defending? It's obvious. Same color scheme? It's the same COLORS. I don't think O.P. would come to graalians just to make a post without any reasonable suspicion, especially when they clearly have the experience to know what an edit looks like. I would understand your take on this argument if it was based on the right to listen to both sides, but right now it kinda sounds like you're merely skeptical and in denial. Then again, I have no idea who the hell any of you are because I don't play Ol West. I'm just here to say, "yeah, that's definitely an edit of someone else's work."

Here's my advice:
1. Remove the hat from the game
2. Forget that this even happened

Lyvia, you sound like a criminal investigator trying to interrogate someone that already told you everything you need to know

Graaklik 12-28-2017 05:37 AM

This is so low...

J* 12-28-2017 11:57 AM

TWIZ is the hero West doesn't deserve.

As much evidence as there is, nothing will be done most likely. West is too far gone and i don't mean to sound so pessimistic there. Went from your good old corruption, to theft and now the whole pk and basing scene is basically ruined because of a new boomerang weapon that is accessible to everyone. If my iPad2 allows it, im on the first beta-boat to Delteria.

Lyvia 12-28-2017 01:07 PM

I just was curious to see an earlier version. That's all.
If you only made minor changes, then it is really too close. Yes the color a the same once.

I'm not the one to decide what happnes to this hat. Please contact an higher admin - preferable Wings.

Yes, Nathan asked me to defend him. And yes I listened to the other side too. Thing is: I have 2 different stories here. One side claims he never saw a sprite the other party claims the the file was leaked. Simply tried to understand what was going on.
You guys brought up evidence, which is why I advice you to contact an higher admin. It would be too much of coincidence to pick the same color and shape.

Clown 12-28-2017 01:35 PM

As bad as it is, and through years of witnessing similair situations;

1. Was your hat on the game before Nathan blatantly edited and got it uploaded to the server
2. Is the hat you made patented

If the answer for both of these is yes, you will probably get a solution in your favour.
If your answer for both is no, GraalOnline would not care If you made the original concept for the hat. Especially since the hat was edited and recoloured and not EXACTLY a completely stolen piece of artwork. As stated before in the thread - anything that's uploaded to GraalOnline is therefore owned by GraalOnline, if your version of the hat has not been uploaded or is not patented what does GraalOnline benefit from resolving this particular case of plagiarism?

(Too lazy to change GraalOnline, read Toonslab instead)

Eugeen 12-28-2017 03:24 PM

Quote:

Posted by Lyvia (Post 805204)
I just was curious to see an earlier version. That's all.
If you only made minor changes, then it is really too close. Yes the color a the same once.

I'm not the one to decide what happnes to this hat. Please contact an higher admin - preferable Wings.

Yes, Nathan asked me to defend him. And yes I listened to the other side too. Thing is: I have 2 different stories here. One side claims he never saw a sprite the other party claims the the file was leaked. Simply tried to understand what was going on.
You guys brought up evidence, which is why I advice you to contact an higher admin. It would be too much of coincidence to pick the same color and shape.

I'm confused as to why you were defending him at all when you literally have no need to and if anything it has made you seem very biased towards his non-existing innocence in this situation.

All the evidence points to Nathan having taken + edited Whippy his hat and the fact that he denies having seen it when the evidence is clearer than day just shows that he is not someone who you can trust by his word.
This also raises questions like whether any of his work is original.

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Posted by Clown (Post 805206)
As bad as it is, and through years of witnessing similair situations;

1. Was your hat on the game before Nathan blatantly edited and got it uploaded to the server
2. Is the hat you made patented

If the answer for both of these is yes, you will probably get a solution in your favour.
If your answer for both is no, GraalOnline would not care If you made the original concept for the hat. Especially since the hat was edited and recoloured and not EXACTLY a completely stolen piece of artwork. As stated before in the thread - anything that's uploaded to GraalOnline is therefore owned by GraalOnline, if your version of the hat has not been uploaded or is not patented what does GraalOnline benefit from resolving this particular case of plagiarism?

(Too lazy to change GraalOnline, read Toonslab instead)

Pretty accurate, it'll most likely go down like this.

Whippy 12-28-2017 03:48 PM

Quote:

Posted by Clown (Post 805206)
1. Was your hat on the game before Nathan blatantly edited and got it uploaded to the server
2. Is the hat you made patented

No.
No.

Political correctness aside, isn't it just flip floppin' hilarious that the correct actions shouldn't be taken due to 'the book'!? It's a small game, and a small request.

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Posted by TWIZ (Post 805164)
Then again, I have no idea who the hell any of you are because I don't play Ol West.

It's like an episode of the Twilight Zone. Twiz is like that family on a road trip who are forced to drive into a middle-of-nowehere town to get fuel. It seems like a quaint town with nice people, but after the family drives away, the citizens let down their visage, and reveal a horde of blood-sucking martians from Mars!!! Ooooooooo eeeeeeee!!! *throws popcorn, pees pants*

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Posted by Lyvia (Post 805053)
Nathan told me he saw this hat in a movie once and wanted to make it.

^ Still waiting for Nathan to produce his movie screenshot. And I'm still waiting for someone to question him about bribing me (but of course, if he's already lying about stealing, I doubt he'd ever fess up to the bribe).

All this stupid crap aside, at the end of the day, I see this as a trivial 2-bit rip off in a 2-bit game. This post already has 3x more views than West's average player count xD Nobody is going to remember this ordeal, regardless if the hat stays or goes. For 5uicide 5quad, yes I would like to see the hat removed, so instead of continuing to blow hot air, I'll try to get Wings to help. Life's too short, and time is money.

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Posted by Eugeen (Post 805231)
This also raises questions like whether any of his work is original.

Does West hire their admins from reform schools?

IspringOlWest 12-28-2017 09:01 PM

Suicide squad are noobs, don't remove the hat ill wear it to pk them

Weeno 12-28-2017 09:06 PM

Funny how on zone editing hats happens all the time

Tay A. 12-28-2017 09:35 PM

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Posted by Whippy (Post 805249)
Does West hire their admins from reform schools?

he's not an admin

Whippy 12-29-2017 01:27 AM

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Posted by Tay A. (Post 805308)
he's not an admin

That actually surprises me.

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Posted by IspringOlWest (Post 805301)
Suicide squad are noobs, don't remove the hat ill wear it to pk them

Oh yeah iSpring how stupid of us! We should really stop working and going to school so we can have more time to practice a phone game!


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