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Posted by Aguzo (Post 632790)

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What has this got to do with anything posted here?

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Posted by GOAT (Post 632805)

I'm tired of these desperate grown men whining about more ego boosting activities. Fp4, how much will you charge me to host a tournament for these nubs. 64 man tournament and we can use aguzos legendary list to pick the participants :D

Boycotting the list

Sounds good/fun as long as the time between matches isn't a week or something

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Posted by Rufus (Post 632807)

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What has this got to do with anything posted here?

A system in which you can actually tell who is good and who isn't.

Where your rank actually depends on your skill.

Therefore the top people are allowed to participate in the tournament.

another hijacked thread where people can push their ****ty leaderboard concepts which will do nothing but allow me to spar 10 times per month and idle between rank 1-3 for the entire season
sounds great for the game and will surely bring activity to sparring, let's do it

"we should have a wins leaderboard" say the people in this thread complaining about the current leaderboard not reflecting skill
it's pathetic to see some people so desperate for validation that they only support ideas which narrowly benefit themselves

at least Aguzo actually outlines an idea that isn't directly in his own interest and at his own benefit (it's still stupid though)
anyway, yeah, a singles tournament should have been done a long time ago

people already do host their own tournaments, like CrimeWatcher's, it's just that no one really cares about them (no offense) unless it's official and managed by the game itself
everyone wants attention and rewards

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Posted by Thallen (Post 632843)

spar 10 times per month and idle between rank 1-3 for the entire season

Not if you drop a lot of points for not being active. Plus a reward for playing a few matches a day would certainly give people a reason to play every day.
For example, Vainglory gives glory points for winning a match each day, plus 3 matches, and for winning a match each day for a whole week.

If you add major payouts to the top players at the end of the season, then people won't idle.

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Posted by Thallen (Post 632843)

"we should have a wins leaderboard" say the people in this thread complaining about the current leaderboard not reflecting skill
it's pathetic to see some people so desperate for validation that they only support ideas which narrowly benefit themselves

A wins leaderboard isn't great, but I have supported it due to the fact that pkers get their own list, while sparrers don't. A lot of people say they don't feel like sparring(including me), because getting a lot of wins won't do anything. You won't get to keep a record, basically all for nothing.

I'd rather have it on the side though, and have an actual ranking system as the main page. (WITH BOTH PC AND iDEV COMBINED)

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Posted by Aguzo (Post 632851)

Not if you drop a lot of points for not being active. Plus a reward for playing a few matches a day would certainly give people a reason to play every day.

If you add major payouts to the top players at the end of the season, then people won't idle.

yeah, I get it, both are good ideas
I still think the thing you're outlining is way too much for something as simple and casual as sparring

I don't want to be queuing into private spars and stuff like that, I just wanna chill and sit around and talk to people and spar like we've done for the past million years
that's just my personal preference, but if I had the choice between a flat wins leaderboard or what you're suggesting, I'd take what you're suggesting any day

the leaderboard can 100% be improved by implementing stuff like that, or even going as simple as taking the current one and breaking it down as daily/monthly/seasonal
the only reason it was ever changed was to stop people from constantly abusing that stupid points glitch and because camping was way too easy

heres the problem.

too high playercount for single spar tourney.
too low playercount for tier concept.

if we apply the tier concept, it will die out after awhile, majority players are gonna be in the diamond league, they'll face same people over and over. they'll eventually get bored and quit, then they'll come back and start spamming things like: #dissux #burnagugo.

if we host a spar tourney. complaints gonna increase by 3x. vpns, hack, lag, delay, alt accts etc and noobs gonna cry like this: 'omfg why mi no in. i can beat zetetik -.-; cmon ffff dis game.'

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Posted by Zetectic (Post 632921)

if we host a spar tourney. complaints gonna increase by 3x. vpns, hack, lag, delay, alt accts etc and noobs gonna cry like this: 'omfg why mi no in. i can beat zetetik -.-; cmon ffff dis game.'

Rufus outlined a round robin style tournament, where you can invite whom you want to spar and can leave out who you want. Besides, the complaints won't increase, or minimally so. Those who are complaining now will continue, those who aren't won't start. Except for maybe the first few weeks, but every update/content addition is scrutinized early on.

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Posted by Zetectic (Post 632921)

too high playercount for single spar tourney.

I don't really see how
Just announce it the season before that next season the top 64/32 leaderboard sparrers will be accepted, just like the GST
I'm sure it'd be even easier than hosting the GST

They'd only have to amend the GST bracketing system script, I know it wouldn't take too long to do that
It's probably just a matter of someone not having the time/desire to host it and everyone else being too uncoordinated to do it properly

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Posted by Thallen (Post 632926)

I don't really see how
Just announce it the season before that next season the top 64/32 leaderboard sparrers will be accepted, just like the GST
Same exact number of matches, just dealing with a lot less people

I'm sure it's the easiest thing in the world for them to script, just amending the bracketing system they use for the GST
It's probably just a matter of someone not having the time/desire to host it and everyone else being too stupid or uncoordinated to do it

o... idk man then we could see some good sparrers being active again.

i just had the current leaderboard image in my head. where the top 64 weren't exactly the best sparrers to compete against. they are active, but not hardest to beat.

p.s. i have a feeling that someones gonna win every season -.-;;;; alumnization

Well yeah, there's no reason to be ranked high on the leaderboard
I know a lot of people aren't very active right now because the lag kind of made sparring a lot less enjoyable

I'd personally get more active if the leaderboard regulated singles tournament seeding... I know Brett, David, Dante, Eko, many others would, there's just no reason to right now

Seems like a win all around to me - the better sparrers get active again, sparring throughout an entire season is more fun and competitive, the best and most active sparrers get a tournament, etc.

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Posted by Zetectic (Post 632921)

too high playercount for single spar tourney.
too low playercount for tier concept.

There are enough people for it. Plus, like I said, I'm sure they can make everyone who isn't participating get d/c. They can watch it on twitch.

I made a list a few months ago based on the that day's active sparrers. There are enough people for it. Plus, there is a casual option, for those who just want to spar for fun without worrying about dropping their rank. Still though, people would still try to get their ranks up. That is if you want to get the bigger payouts at the end of the season.

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Posted by Zetectic (Post 632921)

if we apply the tier concept, it will die out after awhile, majority players are gonna be in the diamond league, they'll face same people over and over. they'll eventually get bored and quit, then they'll come back and start spamming things like: #dissux #burnagugo.

Why would they get bored? Is it fun to face nubs? I'd rather face good people than fight a bunch of randoms... either way spar is currently boring, because there is none of the following:

Division of skill (actual rankings)
Notability for those who put a lot of time into it (All-Time Wins)
Prizes for getting certain amount of wins (Spar tokens shop or whatever it can be)
The fear of losing to good people (Losses/Ratio making people selective spar)
etc

By all means, blame me if something like this happens. But doing nothing won't help either. I see that there are enough people.

Here is the list from a while back, not sure if those people are currently sparring.

Spoiler

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Posted by Aguzo (Post 632932)

now im confused. is this tier concept replacing the sst or is it replacing the current leaderboard?
why would u want people to get d/c? stop frkin promoting ur twitch, u frkin inactive livestreamer. -.-;;
btw the most people in the spar arena today was ~50.

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Posted by Zetectic (Post 632939)

I'm not even promoting my twitch account.

I'm saying if the lag is a problem, an easy fix is to have only the people participating be online, and everyone else can watch the tourney on an official ToonSlab stream.