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Draenin 07-19-2014 09:56 AM

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Posted by Meatman204 (Post 491094)
I seriously hope America doesn't become a dictatorship.

We won't ever have a dictatorship. But chances are that we are quickly headed toward plutocracy. And really, it's just as bad.

Ghettoicedtea 07-19-2014 03:42 PM

mo stuff on MH17, warning, NSFW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px2rfWBW4wg

found this too the world going to shat
http://time.com/3005439/putin-approval-ratings/

names of those killed
http://www.nydailynews.com/passenger...61?hshshhshshs

iHot 07-19-2014 06:18 PM

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Posted by Draenin (Post 491185)
We won't ever have a dictatorship. But chances are that we are quickly headed toward plutocracy. And really, it's just as bad.


We already are lol

lord greg 07-19-2014 06:20 PM

The Middle East is just going to cause problems constantly, it is far too volatile to be peaceful. Very much like Europe in feudal times in a lot of respects except they have more deadly weapons.

Malaysian Airlines are having a very bad year. Russia almost certainly supplied the rebels with the weaponry used to shoot down the plane and now they are trying to distance themselves.

Ghettoicedtea 07-19-2014 09:39 PM

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Posted by iHot (Post 491272)
We already are lol

Wot no, theres not one person who controls everything and makes every decision

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Posted by lord greg (Post 491273)
Malaysian Airlines are having a very bad year. Russia almost certainly supplied the rebels with the weaponry used to shoot down the plane and now they are trying to distance themselves.

Russia did back up the rebels and have ever since the russian ukraine issue came to hand. Also all the evidence is pointing towards the rebels and they are starting to deny anyone acess to the crash site and are apparentyl "destroying evidence"

GOAT 07-19-2014 09:49 PM

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Posted by iHot (Post 491163)
Acts of terrorism? Pfft how can anyone distinguish a terrorist from a freedom fighter?

good old bush made it clear, there is no in-between.



the difference is who's using the word. People are not going to call themselves terrorist, sounds evil, so they call themselves freedom fighters which sounds more patriotic and is not as negative.

Colin 07-19-2014 09:51 PM

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Posted by iHot (Post 491125)
I hate how Israel is shocked they're getting rocket fire from
Gaza. How can they expect the Palestinian people (hell ANY people) to accept an insane, decades long illegal occupation? The Palestinian people can't even get JUSTICE because the United States is sucking Israel's **** and getting deep throated. It's totally f*cking pathetic and they're letting ILLEGAL SETTLERS in, EVICTING FAMILIES and KILLING INNOCENT CIVILIANS.

#freepalestine

Can I smack you or nah?

Israel invaded Gaza with the sole purpose of destroying tunnels that Gaza terrorists use to travel to Israel to perform acts of terrorism against their civilians.

When some one attacks your home it is first nature to fight back.

5hift 07-19-2014 09:59 PM

Give it about 4 days.

Then they'll call in another truce and go sniveling back behind their borders to plan their next hissy fit.

Imprint 07-19-2014 11:17 PM

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Posted by Draenin (Post 491185)
We won't ever have a dictatorship. But chances are that we are quickly headed toward plutocracy. And really, it's just as bad.

LOL "headed towards". It's a government founded by the wealthy.

Motrox 07-19-2014 11:59 PM

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Posted by Colin (Post 491324)
Can I smack you or nah?

Israel invaded Gaza with the sole purpose of destroying tunnels that Gaza terrorists use to travel to Israel to perform acts of terrorism against their civilians.

When some one attacks your home it is first nature to fight back.

The main purpose is to stop hamas but..
Hamas is a byproduct of the illegal occupation itself.
The palestinian people have been under oppression and apartheid since the beginning of Israel. If Canada took 75% of the United States there would be hillbillies firing rockets too.

Draenin 07-20-2014 12:32 AM

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Posted by Imprint (Post 491352)
LOL "headed towards". It's a government founded by the wealthy.

Well, we're not 100% there yet, but we're getting close to it with the recent Citizens United ruling in the Supreme Court.

But I'm sure we could save this for another thread. It's not really on the subject, and I apologize for bringing it up.

5hift 07-20-2014 12:55 AM

The UN back in the day would've had a better time getting an underwater volcano to erupt, creating a new continent for the Israelis to live on then having them share land with people who have believed they owned the land for hundreds of years.

iHot 07-20-2014 03:07 AM

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Posted by Colin (Post 491324)
Can I smack you or nah?



Israel invaded Gaza with the sole purpose of destroying tunnels that Gaza terrorists use to travel to Israel to perform acts of terrorism against their civilians.



When some one attacks your home it is first nature to fight back.


Hmm how come of the 300 something people killed in Gaza 72% are civilians (according to the UN). Does that mean Israel is committing acts of terror on Palestinian citizens? You seem to adhere to the garbage Western Media. Good luck finding any real news from media outlets like BBC, CNN or RT.

The people of Gaza have been subject to a crippling trade embargo, limited area to fish for food and that essentially makes it a prison. Now I'm not saying Israel should just take the rocket fire (no one would) but they shouldn't go and kill innocent civilians by bombing one of the MOST DENSELY POPULATED REGIONS ON EARTH. It's madness. If only you knew how it is to live in Palestine. Opportunities are limited and freedom of movement doesn't exist. I've been to Palestine multiple times and was even held back from entering Jerusalem despite having an American passport. They held me back because I was a Palestinian.

Israelis aren't the victims.

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Posted by Motrox (Post 491359)
The main purpose is to stop hamas but..

Hamas is a byproduct of the illegal occupation itself.

The palestinian people have been under oppression and apartheid since the beginning of Israel. If Canada took 75% of the United States there would be hillbillies firing rockets too.

Spot on.

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Posted by GOAT (Post 491323)
good old bush made it clear, there is no in-between.







the difference is who's using the word. People are not going to call themselves terrorist, sounds evil, so they call themselves freedom fighters which sounds more patriotic and is not as negative.


Bush and Cheney led us into the Iraq war and caused the deaths of American troops and Iraqi Civilians. He's an idiot and anything he says shouldn't be taken seriously.

Judging by the good old bush I think you feel the same haha

GOAT 07-20-2014 06:48 AM

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Posted by iHot (Post 491398)
Bush and Cheney led us into the Iraq war and caused the deaths of American troops and Iraqi Civilians. He's an idiot and anything he says shouldn't be taken seriously.

Judging by the good old bush I think you feel the same haha

the bush part was a joke :D:P

the difference between freedom fighter and terrorists was at the bottom of the video.:(


As far as the current events going on, I would guess that both sides have done f up things to one another. Ive never been to that part of the world and I dont know what really goes on. Also, we know the media is bs and they manipulate stories to their convenience, so I try to look at things from different points of view.



Im a Democratic Mexican from southern California, bush is not my homie.

Hadi 07-20-2014 06:56 AM

i have hardly any knowledge about stuff like this but america is the terrorist imo


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