Posted by Colin (Post 697955)

They don't claim to fully understand the creation of the world or dinosaurs, they use information they know to make theories about it and what makes the most sense but they never one have claimed they fully understand it, you obviously don't understand this simple concept so I won't derail this trying to explain it to you, but you are very wrong in your assumptions on how the scientific world works.

You obviously won't change your opinion on abortion, neither will I so I won't type out paragraphs and paragraphs about it for no reason.

At the end of the day it isn't my choice what a girl can and can't do with her body, nor is it yours, the choice is purely up to her and if she feels abortion is the best then so be it because the only person who can understand exactly what she is going through or might go through is her.

Posted by Fulgore (Post 697963)

Literally the only thing debated is at what point the lump of cells turns into a life. That is the only discussion that drives the moral argument. Unless someone is foolish enough to say the lump of cells should be left alone too, because then I don't want you searching for a way to get rid of cancer in your relatives. Tumors = group of cells. Egg + sperm = group of cells UNTIL a certain point in time. That point in time is the only thing that should be debated.

Posted by PigParty (Post 697964)

I've said before that even if you don't believe the baby is "living" yet, you can't deny that there isn't the baby's potential there. It has much more to do than 'a few cells.'

Posted by Fulgore (Post 697965)

If nothing is alive, nothing dies.

Posted by PigParty (Post 697967)

How do you know it's not alive? Why would you try to kill something that isn't even alive?

Posted by PigParty (Post 697961)

I gave examples of science coming up with theories for things they didn't know. I said in my post that it was a theory. You're misreading my posts and seeing only the isolated sentences that, when taken out of context, can sound wrong. It isn't my choice whether someone murders someone else, but I sure as hell want it to be illegal. Again, that kind of argument you guys are using has been put down. It affects more than just the mother. Back to science, you're assuming you know what I'm saying, which is wrong, because you seem to have misread my posts. My intentions for my statements about science are to show that they do in fact make up theories for what they don't know, and this is the same situation, except they're pretending they do know everything, when in fact they don't. Can anyone honestly think that when a baby is considered to be "living" is a fact? Or is it each individual's opinion? If it's an individual opinon, then it's no place for science. That was my meaning.

Posted by Coco (Post 697972)

Okay I just want to reply one last time and then I'm done because talking to you is like talking to a brick wall so i don't even know why I want to reply again but I do for some reason and so I will.

A fetus is not the same as a baby. It's literally a glob of cells no different than a tumor and there are facts to prove that. Sometimes this glob of cells doesn't even make it to babyhood anyway. So if getting rid of these cells before they grow into a parasite that feeds off of you for 9 months is murder, then so would getting rid of cancer. This is your logic. This is why I can't stand people that want abortion to be illegal. They think they know what they're talking about and they think they know what's best when they don't and it's annoying. It doesn't effect you what a woman chooses to do with her glob of cells so why do you care so much. What you want to be done (which is making abortion illegal) will only hurt more people in the long run. Women will try to give themselves abortions and end up killing themselves. Babies that are born after an attempted self abortion will be screwed up, probably unable to ever live a normal and happy life and their mothers will probably be sent to prison just because they didn't want to have a child that they didn't want, leaving their messed up kid without a mother. This will ruin people. This is what you are wanting. I don't and never will understand this logic of how this will be good for anyone. People like you think that making abortion illegal will save babies and make people own up to their mistake of having sex. What the hell kind of logic is that? That's not what will happen and if a day comes where abortion is made illegal then you'll finally see that for yourself and maybe you'll finally understand.

Posted by PigParty (Post 697975)

I know you won't reply, but haven't you thought that talking to you is like talking to a brick wall too? Why am I attacked for having strong beliefs that I won't change, yet you're the exact same. Roads go 2 ways. It's your opinon that the baby isn't alive yet, it's my opinion that it is. It's ok to ruin (by ruin, i mean end) a baby's life, but not to possibly (you don't even know) "ruin" (depends how you define it) a woman's life who did actions that created the consequences of a baby in the first place?

Posted by Fulgore (Post 697900)

I agree with the abortion stance, I just wanted to highlight this to make a parallel for any super gun-control freaks out there who might be lurking.

Posted by Coco (Post 697972)

Okay I just want to reply one last time and then I'm done because talking to you is like talking to a brick wall so i don't even know why I want to reply again but I do for some reason and so I will.

A fetus is not the same as a baby. It's literally a glob of cells no different than a tumor and there are facts to prove that. Sometimes this glob of cells doesn't even make it to babyhood anyway. So if getting rid of these cells before they grow into a parasite that feeds off of you for 9 months is murder, then so would getting rid of cancer. This is your logic. This is why I can't stand people that want abortion to be illegal. They think they know what they're talking about and they think they know what's best when they don't and it's annoying. It doesn't effect you what a woman chooses to do with her glob of cells so why do you care so much. What you want to be done (which is making abortion illegal) will only hurt more people in the long run. Women will try to give themselves abortions and end up killing themselves. Babies that are born after an attempted self abortion will be screwed up, probably unable to ever live a normal and happy life and their mothers will probably be sent to prison just because they didn't want to have a child, leaving their messed up kid without a mother. This will ruin people. This is what you are wanting. I don't and never will understand this logic of how this will be good for anyone. People like you think that making abortion illegal will save babies and make people own up to their mistake of having sex. What the hell kind of logic is that? That's not what will happen and if a day comes where abortion is made illegal then you'll finally see that for yourself and maybe you'll finally understand. But probably not.

Posted by Yog (Post 697981)

idk you can't really "grow" guns or make them out of clothes hangers lol

Posted by Dusty (Post 697978)

Because you want to push your beliefs onto other people. Who cares that she, or anyone else is stubborn as long as its part of their own lives. It's when people like you, who has their own beliefs, wants to use the government to push them onto everyone else that it's a problem.

So you think life starts at conception? That's cool, don't get an abortion then. But don't tell someone else they're not allowed to because you think it's wrong.

Posted by PigParty (Post 697986)

Human Sacrifice is a belief that some have. Everyone pushes their beliefs onto others and tries to push them into the government. I get you're going to back her, but it's ignorant to say I'm the problem because I'm pushing my beliefs, even though everyone else is too.

Posted by Yog (Post 697987)

You have every right to not get an abortion. We aren't saying every baby should be aborted... But people should have the right to choose.

Posted by PigParty (Post 697991)

Yes, they do. Can't I express my opinion why I believe they should no longer have that right?