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MikvaGraal 03-31-2016 10:37 PM
"Mika won't series me on his main account, maybe an alt"
Wat

[YOUTUBE]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjNVHMh7p80[/YOUTUBE]

Sarah_ 03-31-2016 10:37 PM
Quote:
Posted by Thallen (Post 689994)
Series isn't even a good measure of who the better sparrer is, low-volume sparring proves almost nothing
Queue blindly 10k times in the main room and then you'll have an accurate assessment of where you stand based on ratio, but even that's obscured if your account started out poorly
^^^^^^

Blazegraal123 03-31-2016 10:40 PM
Tbh personally i don't even think i should be ranked on this list, i choose not to spar 1vs1 on my PC because a lot of people say i lag/delay. if i did start sparing seriously on my PC (1vs1) i think i'd be a lot better then i am right now, people really have only seen me spar on iDev for fun and to be ranked in what is (Tier 2) is great and all but some people on this forum take these sort of things to the heart. If you have seen me guild sparing you would see the difference skill wise because i guild spar on PC.

GOAT 03-31-2016 10:44 PM
Quote:
Posted by MikvaGraal (Post 690303)
"Mika won't series me on his main account, maybe an alt"
Wat
FtFy

People on PC can just watch the video directly from the post without leaving the page

Darkk 03-31-2016 10:59 PM
The top 3 are hard to rank, imo thallen's the hardest to beat, i'm like 0-30-5 against him.

Trusand, "yey im gold." Why can't people just accept the ranking they received like trusand. 15+ people helped make the list, therefore it is not biased. It is very accurate, although ranking in order is tough because its very opinionated.

Mex should be plat. Qes is lucky to be plat. He doesn't hold impressive streaks and his gst performance with dot is a good indicator of his skill

Yo zetetic what type of external hard-drive do u have lol... cuz u kinda record everything u do on graal everyday. Im no tech genius but thats alotta gb's. Would i find zets how 2join slx on his utub channel?

Relic 03-31-2016 11:03 PM
Quote:
Posted by James205 (Post 689938)
And for fun, i'll highlight the people who I struggle with with these categories (matchups is a big part of sparring). My list is only 1v1, i don't take into account GST

James Categories of Struggling:
NUCLEAR
TOUGH
SOMETIMES
RESPECT


Legendary: Thallen, brett, sarah, dante, abood, david, primtime, zeross, kevin91 (not sure tbh), zid, mk (hehe noob), jack mercy (jack with 20k), sean, gz (need to spar him more, probably should be higher) & skull.

Platinum: Exalt, Mikva, AK, hmong, inco, eko, dark, tucker, shiden, aserus, pae, fro, dae, shadz, warhawk, sw@nk, shaheen, aguzo, contego, shadow dynasty, pkun, nell, clops, 7mood, abel, silver, koi, jack, deus, relic (hehe), ruke, male, phural, kosma (hehe), kicko, ares (never have sparred him really), noss, blaze & qes.

Gold:LR,surge, Sophie, Ruby, bu7maid, mshak, mex, inev (when on PC), xoss, ariona, kite, kamikaze, mish, jose, alumba saber, crimestopper, veagle, memo, sugar, daze, tykian, raege, cookie, carly, rusty, spod, livid, uranus/catalyst, spadz, Austin koga, fulgore, alex74, neptune bloodvayne, natty, macintosh, ale de fanny, elder triple, zkiller,brandon, glenn , paz primel, lucifer, luna/daniel, acqua, roller, dalton, dream, bomit, trusand, sergio, voodoo, raj, luvious, boots, tol josh, doll, wick, jen, noobisha, den, haze, venus, marc, toich,architect, RDG, hmongs gf/santi, jay, roger, alexR, droid, faust, spoon, callum, ....

Silver: Ttt, nk, megan, noa, plato primel, striken, red, kyuuri, buddy, seiken pyro, zetitic, kiyan primel, norn, carl, scarchaos, king primel, mbk primel, ....

Bronze: Dia, Dab primel, ravage primel, excite koga and the rest of the server.
fixed, stupid james :blush:

As for the list itself, seems pretty accurate, not gonna comment on most because I don't wanna insult people.. I'm surprised I'm as high as plat but if people think that then I won't complain. Also Zid and Jack Mercy should definitely be legendary imo.

qes 03-31-2016 11:09 PM
I log on spar in the streak room and get a bunch of 4 or 5 streaks, or I lose. Ad sometimes (once or twice a week) get a 10-15 streak.
You also won't catch me queuing unless somebody actually good is also que'd

Striken 03-31-2016 11:32 PM
I'm surprised some people take this serious lol

Thallen 03-31-2016 11:34 PM
Quote:
Posted by Thallen (Post 689994)
Series isn't even a good measure of who the better sparrer is, low-volume sparring proves almost nothing
Queue blindly 10k times in the main room and then you'll have an accurate assessment of where you stand based on ratio, but even that's obscured if your account started out poorly
On that same note, there's room for many more sparring-based statistics that would help settle this discussion and allow provide proof of who the best overall sparrer is.

Stuff like:
  • Average opponent W/L ratio
  • Average hearts won by
  • Average hearts lost by
  • Number of flawless wins
  • Number of flawless losses
  • Average ping (triggered at the start and end of the spar)
  • Highest streak
  • Average streak length
  • Average spars per day

Not all of them relate purely to skill, but it'd be nice to see stuff like that when you click on "Spar W/L" in someone's profile. All of them are really easy to record. With something like that, I'm sure there's some sort of algorithm that can measure who the overall best is by taking average opponent ratio, average hearts won by, etc.

Kuz 03-31-2016 11:35 PM
Quote:
Posted by Thallen (Post 690339)
On that same note, there's room for many more sparring-based statistics that would help settle this discussion and allow provide proof of who the best overall sparrer is.

Stuff like:
  • Average opponent W/L ratio
  • Average hearts won by
  • Average hearts lost by
  • Number of flawless wins
  • Number of flawless losses
  • Average ping (triggered at the start and end of the spar)
  • Highest streak
  • Average streak length
  • Average spars per day

Not all of them relate purely to skill, but it'd be nice to see stuff like that when you click on "Spar W/L" in someone's profile. All of them are really easy to record. With something like that, I'm sure there's some sort of algorithm that can measure who the overall best is by taking average opponent ratio, average hearts won by, etc.
Wouldn't it encourage people to selective spar?

Thallen 03-31-2016 11:37 PM
I don't know, because first on that list is "average opponent W/L ratio," and what I mean by that is if you spar a 100-300, a 500-1000, and a 100-100, it's going to show you as sparring a 0.6 ratio on average and then everyone is going to laugh at you

Average opponent W/L ratio would be a good multiplier in any equation to determine how good someone is, same thing as PPS like what Mikva/Zetectic posted
If someone has an 8.2 spar ratio, a 1.5 opponent ratio, and they average winning by 1.2 hearts, there's probably a formula you can come up with to get their average Aguzo Performance Ranking... or something

I'm sure people would still boost or spar selectively to get some of those stats up though, but there's no cure for cancer
Anyway, these threads are probably more interesting than undeniable proof

Areo 03-31-2016 11:45 PM
I would also like Average Spar Time. That would be an interesting indicator of how agressively someone spars. That shoudnt be added to the score in any way/shape/form. more just an interesting measure.

Kuz 04-01-2016 12:15 AM
Quote:
Posted by Thallen (Post 690344)
I don't know, because first on that list is "average opponent W/L ratio," and what I mean by that is if you spar a 100-300, a 500-1000, and a 100-100, it's going to show you as sparring a 0.6 ratio on average and then everyone is going to laugh at you

Average opponent W/L ratio would be a good multiplier in any equation to determine how good someone is, same thing as PPS like what Mikva/Zetectic posted
If someone has an 8.2 spar ratio, a 1.5 opponent ratio, and they average winning by 1.2 hearts, there's probably a formula you can come up with to get their average Aguzo Performance Ranking... or something

I'm sure people would still boost or spar selectively to get some of those stats up though, but there's no cure for cancer
Anyway, these threads are probably more interesting than undeniable proof

Maybe also a pts/per win average for each person too...

Thallen 04-01-2016 12:17 AM
Quote:
Posted by Kuz (Post 690359)
Maybe also a pts/per win average for each person too...
Ya, it's the same thing though because you win points equivalent to 10*opponentRatio

Theos 04-01-2016 01:05 AM
This ranking is quiet accurate xd


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