No offense, iclassics guilds suck so bad.
we go on and off tags 24/7 joining guilds like its nothing making guilds like its nothing kicking people from guilds like its nothing.
if we all stuck to 1 guild each and put our full loyalty into it, iclassic would be sick.
Ventrue Charm Zanza and US are the only ones putting that thought into consideration,and 2 out of 4 are from PC
"oh i like my freedom of guilds"
yea well maybe you should be using your freedom more wise.
"on pc when a person left his guild and went to a new one it was considered a huge thing" -angelus (Ventrue)

maybe we should think of how cool it would be if we dident all kick and recruit an we started joining less guilds and start making more 100% loyal/no kicking guilds.
maybe we should use allys as guild ALLIANCESES not Sub guilds.
we abused the guild system and allie system and now we will never fix it...... or can we?  

Don't know about you, I've been 100% loyal to Advent V, without any problems.

But I do agree, it's too easy to join and leave guilds. The reason why it isn't a "huge thing" when players switch guilds, is usually that the guild they switch between are friends. I consider veteran tower takers that were infamous switched guilds to another major tower guild a big change. Like, lets say if DarkDeathAngel was known by Chain of Memories, Ximtra, Advent V, Rebellious, for being a good tower defender from Project Soul, and he switched to Chain of Memories permanently, it would make for big news in that community of tower takers.

Dunno, that's my little two cents.  

"advent v" abuses ally system using it as sub guilds and kicks and recruits
so just another guild to me  

Posted by qes

Ventrue Charm Zanza and US are the only ones putting that thought into consideration

So is Zanza "just another guild"? They used Zanza, Caelum and Samhain as subs to Helsing when they were taking towers.

I'd like three examples of major guilds that use the ally system for allies. Family guilds don't count.

We use subs to accommodate for the large quantity of members. So do alot of other guilds, mainly tower guilds, because we have a high influx of members who want to join. Plus, we have formed unregistered alliances with Venus Gospel and Cruxis Evolution.  

US Ventrue Charm  

Posted by qes

US Ventrue Charm

As far as I'm concerned, US has no allies, and Ventrue is a family guild, their allies are basically subs.

I'll give you Charm, but that's it.  

false US is allies with ArchAngels
and False Ventrue does not have subs, they have allies,they also do not have 1 kick and recruit guild. they alll have our own tags and they never get kicked unless we dis obey rules  

I kinda agree and kinda disagree. Because the amount f players in a guild Is limited it requires the 5 branches and a war guild in many ways if you wanna be successful and that's not a bad thing. Unregistered alliances are fine. But all the temps, noobcruiting, cheap tower taking, kicking people for every little thing, etc has gotta stop. You REALLY shouldn't use advent V as an example of doing it right. I'd use them as a bad example. They recruited tons of temps, the leaders suck, and most of the people in it barely know how to use a sword. They just sit in a choke point and spam their sword.  

Posted by Godzilla

I kinda agree and kinda disagree. Because the amount f players in a guild Is limited it requires the 5 branches and a war guild in many ways if you wanna be successful and that's not a bad thing. Unregistered alliances are fine. But all the temps, noobcruiting, cheap tower taking, kicking people for every little thing, etc has gotta stop. You REALLY shouldn't use advent V as an example of doing it right. I'd use them as a bad example. They recruited tons of temps, the leaders suck, and most of the people in it barely know how to use a sword. They just sit in a choke point and spam their sword.

Just because you didn't get our 1k hat does not give you the right to be so rude. No point in arguing with you, you've already shown you have no problem with cheap shots. Although it is pretty funny how you only start insulting us AFTER you found out you wouldn't be getting the hat.  

i have a problem with every guild except ventrue US and charm
no offense vyse
its not the people in the rest of the guilds that i dislike
i dislike the way people have been abusing allies and guilds on iclassic.

"a player would be in 1-2 guild max on PC. whenever a player switched guilds it was HUGE everybody would know about it,the compition of guilds was great because of this"-angelus (ventrue)  

Posted by qes

i have a problem with every guild except ventrue US and charm
no offense vyse
its not the people in the rest of the guilds that i dislike
i dislike the way people have been abusing allies and guilds on iclassic.

"a player would be in 1-2 guild max on PC. whenever a player switched guilds it was HUGE everybody would know about it,the compition of guilds was great because of this"-angelus (ventrue)

No one has "abused" anything, there is a much higher playercount on this server, so of course there will be more guild switching than PC. Using allies as subguilds is the most efficient way to take a tower, and to not do it would be putting yourself at a huge disadvantage.

I do understand where you're coming from, but making topics about how classic guilds suck is not the way to get your point across.  

my point is, we are fighting for nothing. we take forts for hours we want hours for 1k. we want 1k for a hat.
if you were to say im fighting for somthing than a hat,well hours havent proved anything to anybody.
now maybe if a guild consisted of 25 (max) perminate members that rarley got kicked, their would be competion. because the members want their guild to be the best. not just for some hat. only time people get togther and realy try at somthing is during gst...  

Another thing I don't understand or really like with the guilds is how people in the guild would make their own guild and recruit people of that guild into their own, with other friends, then they make another guild and recruit their members and their friends, then it's like a continuation. Simple solution; stay in that first guild. Better yet, pay 2000 for allies cheapos. It's the same price as a guild. But I'd have to say the main problem with guilds comes from how it's being lead.  

I believe that loyalty is a huge problem on Classic and it's something that comes up in US guild chat quite often. People like myself, Unleash, NiTe, Prado, Shannon, Comyt, Yellow, etc all are associated with US, and that is because we are only US members and have been for quite a while now. It isn't the sparring, the ranks, or the GST wins that make us known (even when we've lost people still believe we've won) it's the loyalty of our members. We all have a few "joke" tags, but you'll very rarely see any of us without a US tag. No one member is bigger than any guild, but if a guild has no unique members to it, then there is no guild to even be recognized.

There are certain people that you'll see in every guild's roster. I feel that in having these people in your guild, you are completely devaluing how "serious" your guild can be taken. This is also the case for people who create guilds for the sole purpose of entering the GST. Do you think that creating mega teams (but not.. y'know.. real guilds) is what the tournament is for? Do you think that there are any benefits to it? NOPE LOL THERE ISN'T. I did this in the last tournament so I could play, but it was my real guild that won in the end. Ch4m also had a second place streak for a long time, and I really believe that this loyalty factor contributed towards that.

People who mess around and change their guild tags every week are a joke, yet nobody seems to realize it in their own actions. When someone is new, or decides to act like this within my guild I'd give them a chance. I still find it very disrespectful to anyone who is loyal to the guild however, and they'd eventually be removed if things didn't change. You don't need people like this. I think that this attitude is something that everyone else should adopt for the sake of maintaining a good guild. You want to be competitive? That's cool, but it isn't going to happen with a bunch of randoms.

p.s. Guild hats need to stop until they're actually being earned.  

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