Why ask for quests?

Imprint · 10-20-2012

Face it pals, you aren't going to turn Classic into a storyline/quest server. Questing should never be the main focus of Graal because the work it takes to make them for the time players complete them is out of whack. Look at the recent trade quest which was finished by most people within an hour. If you want quests, then go play a single player game quests are done much better there because having multiple players presents problems. What you should be asking for are releases with longevity that people will want to do every day (bug catching, towers, sparring, etc.). I would rather see the towers on Classic get revamped, for example, and see more minigames like archery created before seeing the trade quest completed. So stop asking for quests, if you want quests go back and play LttP.

Higbey · 10-20-2012

or make miniquests that involve other players so its different everytime.

callimuc · 10-20-2012

rep+ for you, imprint

Rufus · 10-20-2012

I personally really like Archery.

twilit · 10-21-2012

too easy to cheat in archery. all you gotta do is line up the arrow with rail's curves. and lag controls the scoring system. Any idea when that crane game will be finished?
also why is this in future improvements lol?

Winter · 10-22-2012

I like the little activities like spar, archery, fort capture, etc.. I'm in favor of more of those, until we run out of ideas.

Rezon · 10-22-2012

We should focus on new MULTIPLAYER ideas, after all this is an mmo. Quests are temporary, while events will be permanent and will most likely never get stale.

Winter · 10-22-2012

Posted by Winter

archery

Posted by Rezon

MULTIPLAYER

Can we please have team paintball yet? That was so much fun a while back, but it seems like it fell off the face of the earth. I even made a level for it, but I'm sure someone could easily do better and it wouldn't be too tough to script. Probably same as guild spar except use of swords disabled, only bow allowed.

G Fatal · 10-22-2012

Posted by Rezon

We should focus on new MULTIPLAYER ideas

What he said^ We should focus more on team activities, like just adding a guild team ldrbd to CTF would be good where guilds could go head to head, it would make it abit more active maybe 1000wins win a small prize or something.

Skill · 10-22-2012

I actually have to agree with Imprint, his thoughts reflect mine.

There two things that make up a game. One is a challenge and having fun, and two is being rewarded for completing that challenge.

One thing that I think would last is if they fixed the ctf map to prevent the blocking exploit, removed he entry fee, and added leaderboards for flag captures, flag denies, wins, and kills.

By fixing ctf to be more playable and rewarding, players will want to play it to be the best. There were people who went for 100,000 baddy kills just to dominate the gamecenter leaderboards. Surely people will play a fun game of ctf to advance in the leaderboard.

such a fix should only take a few hours. Removing the entry fee can be done in a minute. Fixing the level basically to get rid of ways to block should take 5 minutes max. Adding leaderboards for it really should only take a couple hours considering they already have functions for it that they used for towers, pks, and sparring.

Archery was good because it was very competitive the first few weeks as people were still learning it and trying to reach the maximum score. Now people know how to play and people get perfect scores easily, so it isn't played frequently. The same would likely happen to bowling. People would love it for a few weeks, then people start getting 300 and its abandoned.

Vladamir Blackthorne · 10-23-2012

If you guys want a game that is solely multiplayer, then you must not like classic. Back when it was the only server, when graal was Graalonline: The Adventure, it was heavily focused on story and questing. Now, an online game with no multiplayer aspect is stupid, I agree, but we should try to focus not only on good multiplayer, but melding it with singleplayer.

Winter · 10-23-2012

Posted by Lazerlatté

Now, an online game with no multiplayer aspect is stupid, I agree, but we should try to focus not only on good multiplayer, but melding it with singleplayer.

This server was born 100% multiplayer, and you can't teach an old dog new tricks. I like your ideas, but this one game cannot satisfy every game genre/mode.

Imprint · 10-23-2012

Posted by Lazerlatté

If you guys want a game that is solely multiplayer, then you must not like classic. Back when it was the only server, when graal was Graalonline: The Adventure, it was heavily focused on story and questing. Now, an online game with no multiplayer aspect is stupid, I agree, but we should try to focus not only on good multiplayer, but melding it with singleplayer.

Shockingly, a single player game pulls off single player aspects much better then a multiplayer one does. If you want a single player experiance then you're going to enjoy getting it in a single player gane instead of a multiplayer one.

Rezon · 10-25-2012

Posted by Lazerlatté

If you guys want a game that is solely multiplayer, then you must not like classic. Back when it was the only server, when graal was Graalonline: The Adventure, it was heavily focused on story and questing. Now, an online game with no multiplayer aspect is stupid, I agree, but we should try to focus not only on good multiplayer, but melding it with singleplayer.

Pretty sure Graal was meant to be a multiplayer game, or at least iClassic.

MrSimons · 10-25-2012

I do agree. One of the main problems I see is a reward for the quests. Because you know children will rage if they don't get a prize...

But what sort of prize, hat? Overused? Worthless item? No one want's an item everyone has. Gameplay advantage? Not an advantage if everyone has it. Gralats? Those are good until you spend them.

I am with the majority on this one. Games>Quests. There are so many games that could be made too, and it doesn't take a lot of thinking because the object, rules, and design is already laid out for you. But even then, why waste time making new things? Just fix the old stuff, look at the Soccer arena, empty. This can be fixed by turning it into an organized system. Make it like guild spar so it is not a jumbled mess, add a leader board for incentive, make the field look more appealing.

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Imprint Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,992	Why ask for quests? Face it pals, you aren't going to turn Classic into a storyline/quest server. Questing should never be the main focus of Graal because the work it takes to make them for the time players complete them is out of whack. Look at the recent trade quest which was finished by most people within an hour. If you want quests, then go play a single player game quests are done much better there because having multiple players presents problems. What you should be asking for are releases with longevity that people will want to do every day (bug catching, towers, sparring, etc.). I would rather see the towers on Classic get revamped, for example, and see more minigames like archery created before seeing the trade quest completed. So stop asking for quests, if you want quests go back and play LttP.

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Higbey Not Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Hell Posts: 4,885	or make miniquests that involve other players so its different everytime.

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callimuc Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 6,122	rep+ for you, imprint

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Rufus Registered rufp4 Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 3,378	I personally really like Archery.

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twilit michael Join Date: May 2012 Location: Hyrule Posts: 3,511	too easy to cheat in archery. all you gotta do is line up the arrow with rail's curves. and lag controls the scoring system. Any idea when that crane game will be finished? also why is this in future improvements lol?

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Winter & Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: napping Posts: 1,381	I like the little activities like spar, archery, fort capture, etc.. I'm in favor of more of those, until we run out of ideas.

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Rezon ENGUARD Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 996	We should focus on new MULTIPLAYER ideas, after all this is an mmo. Quests are temporary, while events will be permanent and will most likely never get stale.

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Skill The Unwanted Critic Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 3,639	I actually have to agree with Imprint, his thoughts reflect mine. There two things that make up a game. One is a challenge and having fun, and two is being rewarded for completing that challenge. One thing that I think would last is if they fixed the ctf map to prevent the blocking exploit, removed he entry fee, and added leaderboards for flag captures, flag denies, wins, and kills. By fixing ctf to be more playable and rewarding, players will want to play it to be the best. There were people who went for 100,000 baddy kills just to dominate the gamecenter leaderboards. Surely people will play a fun game of ctf to advance in the leaderboard. such a fix should only take a few hours. Removing the entry fee can be done in a minute. Fixing the level basically to get rid of ways to block should take 5 minutes max. Adding leaderboards for it really should only take a couple hours considering they already have functions for it that they used for towers, pks, and sparring. Archery was good because it was very competitive the first few weeks as people were still learning it and trying to reach the maximum score. Now people know how to play and people get perfect scores easily, so it isn't played frequently. The same would likely happen to bowling. People would love it for a few weeks, then people start getting 300 and its abandoned.

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Vladamir Blackthorne Leg hair. AND RICE! Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Do you really wish to know o.o Posts: 2,803	If you guys want a game that is solely multiplayer, then you must not like classic. Back when it was the only server, when graal was Graalonline: The Adventure, it was heavily focused on story and questing. Now, an online game with no multiplayer aspect is stupid, I agree, but we should try to focus not only on good multiplayer, but melding it with singleplayer.

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MrSimons :) Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: no. Posts: 10,309	I do agree. One of the main problems I see is a reward for the quests. Because you know children will rage if they don't get a prize... But what sort of prize, hat? Overused? Worthless item? No one want's an item everyone has. Gameplay advantage? Not an advantage if everyone has it. Gralats? Those are good until you spend them. I am with the majority on this one. Games>Quests. There are so many games that could be made too, and it doesn't take a lot of thinking because the object, rules, and design is already laid out for you. But even then, why waste time making new things? Just fix the old stuff, look at the Soccer arena, empty. This can be fixed by turning it into an organized system. Make it like guild spar so it is not a jumbled mess, add a leader board for incentive, make the field look more appealing.