Pretentious people like Reemas just contribute to the problem, spamming the thread with what amounts to "towering isn't in bad shape right now, there's like 20 people doing it so it doesn't matter that hundreds did it years ago"
"I just saw 2 people PKing a minute ago, it's fine"

Then there are the people like Bryan and Zorma, who have actually participated in these areas of gameplay for years, who seem to agree that there are very clear problems  

I'm back and what the hell ..what did you guys do to my thread  

Posted by Thallen

Pretentious people like Reemas just contribute to the problem, spamming the thread with what amounts to "towering isn't in bad shape right now, there's like 20 people doing it so it doesn't matter that hundreds did it years ago"
"I just saw 2 people PKing a minute ago, it's fine"

Then there are the people like Bryan and Zorma, who have actually participated in these areas of gameplay for years, who seem to agree that there are very clear problems

You're the only one being pretentious bud.  

Posted by Bryan*

There's so many improvements the game needs in order to evolve but unfortunately the only thing keeping the game relevant are the pixelated vomit that arrives every so often (thanks Coco and GFX Team).

Random dickish comments like this make it really hard to respect your point, regardless if you're correct.  

Posted by Thallen

Pretentious people like Reemas just contribute to the problem, spamming the thread with what amounts to "towering isn't in bad shape right now, there's like 20 people doing it so it doesn't matter that hundreds did it years ago"
"I just saw 2 people PKing a minute ago, it's fine"

Posted by 4-Lom

Yeah. Maybe these guys should find another game if graal is so broken that it's unplayable. I mean, geez... it's not like there's a guild in every single tower every hour of the day. It's just not the "Same" guilds in the "Same" towers every day like before. Instead of boosting hours for hats, it's almost like the players who are partaking in it at this point are actually doing it out of sheer enjoyment. The nerve!

Koff koff. Answer the issues raised instead of slander, Mr T. Then we can move in an appropriate direction.  

It's in bad shape, and that's pretty obvious... I'm sure that the kills leaderboard would reflect the drop in activity.

Players aren't complaining because they aren't the ones towering; they're complaining because there isn't a reason to. While it's nice that people are still playing for "pride"(I mean, I still get 300 kills a day, what else could be what I be doing called?) it shouldn't be the only reason to play. The plaques were a step to increase competition... A really good step. But our developers have to realize that people will get bored of doing the same thing for the same exact reward(I understand the gst, but the hats are different every time). I'm sure they do realize that, but it shows a lack of foresight to have taken rewards away that early.

Without the rewards to be earned towering activity has declined. When a guild like Black Soul can hold mod uncontested with 5 members that's a sign. Remember when guilds had twenty online at a time? I haven't seen that at all, since the removal of the rewards.

Sparring is kinda pathetic... Whenever I go to que there's only a few people actually sparring. The only people who spar actively are near the top of the season. Last season Thallen was able to stay in the top 50 by sparring actively for a few days... That shouldn't be possible. You should be sparring actively for most a season to place, not a few days.

Bking activity is up, understandably with the release of the northern wilderness... More spiders to go around.

Pking has gone down as well... I remember the first summer plaques were given out. I got 500 kills every single day, some days doing 1,000. I placed 18th with something like 48k kills. Give me 48k kills these next few seasons? I'll be in the top 10 easily, maybe even the top 5. Even in the other seasons recently I've had much less and have placed higher. Sure, that was the summer season, but it's almost impossible to deny the drop in activity this season.  

Posted by Areo

Without the rewards to be earned towering activity has declined. When a guild like Black Soul can hold mod uncontested with 5 members that's a sign. Remember when guilds had twenty online at a time? I haven't seen that at all, since the removal of the rewards.

I find this interesting after previous discussions regarding hat rewards to be pointless. Not pointing to anyone specifically here, but there was the general atmosphere that towering for the sake of towering was the reason to do it, and hat chasers were in it for the wrong reasons?  

Posted by Bryan*

There's so many improvements the game needs in order to evolve but unfortunately the only thing keeping the game relevant are the pixelated vomit that arrives every so often (thanks Coco and GFX Team).

Spoiler

@Reemas, you are irrelevant and do not partake in any in-game activities aside from brown nosing developers and being a role-playing hippy. Brainless sheeps like yourself are only into buying beauty supplies for your character.

• The least they could have done was raise the guild hat reward to 3K until the NGS was release since towering to 3K hours takes much longer than 1K hours.
• Drain the Swamp: GP Team needs improvements. Revamp the GP Application.
• Update to iOS10 already. Hasn't been updated since 2014.

Hey! Wanna come online and rp? I got some amazing beauty supplies that would go great with your fabrication!  

Ya'll keep beefing so a Moderator can see my thread

expect I don't want Colin to see it he will just close it  

Posted by 4-Lom

Koff koff. Answer the issues raised instead of slander, Mr T. Then we can move in an appropriate direction.

I'm not going to get baited into a perpetual argument against someone who uses words like "lobsided" or someone else who has never shown any interest in any of the activities we're discussing

It's not a coincidence that people like Areo, Bryan, and Zorma agree. They're the ones with years of towering experience, about 700k PKs shared between them, etc. Do they go into your threads about bug catching and try to grief it like you're doing here?  

Posted by 0.5

Ya'll keep beefing so a Moderator can see my thread

expect I don't want Colin to see it he will just close it

Actually, the fact that there's an issue at all (on either side) is enough to outline that there are fixes that are required. Regardless of whether you think it needs specific focus on one area of the game or another, or if you choose to parse details and data or not, the fact that there's something to talk about is enough. Kudos on making a thread that got people talking.  

Posted by Thallen

I'm not going to get baited into a perpetual argument against someone who uses words like "lobsided" or someone else who has never shown any interest in any of the activities we're discussing

It's not a coincidence that people like Areo, Bryan, and Zorma agree. They're the ones with years of towering experience, about 700k PKs shared between them, etc. Do they go into your threads about bug catching and try to grief it like you're doing here?

That's three whole players to the near 4k. Good job guy. Keep at this and you're sure to leave a mark in the graal history books.  

Posted by Thallen

I'm not going to get baited into a perpetual argument against someone who uses words like "lobsided" or someone else who has never shown any interest in any of the activities we're discussing

It's not a coincidence that people like Areo, Bryan, and Zorma agree. They're the ones with years of towering experience, about 700k PKs shared between them, etc. Do they go into your threads about bug catching and try to grief it like you're doing here?

They totally do, though I'm not "griefing" anyone. Bring some information to the table and validate your points. I like a good, solution oriented debate about a topic. I stated my points pretty clearly.

1. There are sparrers, pkers, tower guilds currently operating
2. Towers are occupied with players who WANT to tower, and not just hat chasers
3. Spar tournaments happen multiple times a year
4. Other areas of the game do not have the same focus or attention
5. Guild system has been a long time coming, but some areas of the game (which may be valid to you or not) that are enjoyed by many players are neglected
6. I look forward to a guild system update that harmonizes the blatantly skewed leaderboard system and the non-competitive forms of gameplay into a singular group activity with incentives for all.

 

Posted by 4-Lom

I find this interesting after previous discussions regarding hat rewards to be pointless. Not pointing to anyone specifically here, but there was the general atmosphere that towering for the sake of towering was the reason to do it, and hat chasers were in it for the wrong reasons?

I do admit to having said that in the past... But opinions change. After seeing the effects of having no rewards, I feel that the previous system, even with its flaws, is better than what we are currently running. Even if they had extended the hours needed for a hat(maybe even to 5k) that would have been a much smarter move than just doing away with them altogether

I don't recall griefing a thread, perhaps ever... but that's a subjective viewpoint, so whatever.

1. Yeah, there are guilds currently running... But they're small and kinda dinky in comparison to years past. It will be hard to justify that, even with some guilds still playing, this dramatic drop in activity is okay.

2. Talked about that above.

3. They do, but that's gs... Single sparring receives nothing, no tournaments, no competition(I feel my previous example showed that rather nicely?). The lack of point is shown by the fact that the only people doing it are usually in the side rooms.

4. That's fine; the competitive side of the game requires the most management and improvement... It usually isn't too hard to get other parts of the games right.

5. I'm assuming you're referring to bug catching or looting... That would be welcome to me, both of those are legitimate activities, and should be rewarded outside of monetary rewards(I remember campaigning for "bug hat rewards" which would be given out after you had caught <X> number of a certain bug).

6. That's what we all want, I believe. I don't believe I've ever complained about uncompetitive aspects of gameplay(though I have complained about administrator experience... thoroughly discussed already). I am not unhappy with the system that you want... I am unhappy that we are approaching a calendar year without rewards for guilds to stride for. The gst is cool and all, but it's a single tournament rewarding 6 guilds or less... What about for less serious guilds? Currently there is nothing for us to do competitively.

Are we not in agreement that something should have been done to have avoided our current situation?  

Posted by Areo

I do admit to having said that in the past... But opinions change. After seeing the effects of having no rewards, I feel that the previous .

What about for less serious guilds? Currently there is nothing for us to do competitively.

Are we not in agreement that something should have been done to have avoided our current situation?

Can't say I don't agree with you in some points but there is still competition on Graal just not the way you're used too. There is still the competitive aspect of wanting to get the upper hand on another player. The higher ground (Star Wars reference). That is a reward in itself.

I don't agree. There was something done in place, the pure gratification of beating someone.