Posted by Kuz

I delay. No hiding that but you can't be as ignorant to say say without delay the result would be different. I only defensive spar because I have delay so I cannot do as fast movements as I would like so defensive is the smartest choice. I was an offensive sparrer on UN and Classic but I had to adapt to defense because of iClassic. So don't be so ignorant to say that if people didn't have delay they wouldn't win.

Posted by Kuz

I know that I win some spars with my delay, but then I would prefer to spar without delay because it's more fun and competitive.

Do you see why they say that, even you realize that. Im sure some of them would still win, but the question is would they win as much as they do with their delay. Take 7mood, he has a bad delay and I consider him a top sparer regardless of his delay, but he wouldnt win as much without that delay.

Let me give you an example of what I mean:
a couple gst's ago the guild "everyone"(pretty much alumni's current idevice team) faced Sage in the final I believe. 7mood was left against 3 sage members and won. i even posted it here to mess with Sage, but im not stupid enough to actually believe he won because of his skill, his delay was the major factor.

Posted by Kuz

I delay. No hiding that but you can't be as ignorant to say say without delay the result would be different. I only defensive spar because I have delay so I cannot do as fast movements as I would like so defensive is the smartest choice. I was an offensive sparrer on UN and Classic but I had to adapt to defense because of iClassic. So don't be so ignorant to say that if people didn't have delay they wouldn't win.

delayers go defensive because if they go offensive they will run into swords that are not even close to them in their screen. I bet that a lot of the times when a delayer gets a hit the other player is not even close to them. Ryo and Misaka were some of the early delayers that fought defensively, but now the delays are stronger and i would say because the devices are stronger.

Posted by Kuz

Whenever I face someone with way more delay than me it's actually easier, if you guys haven't countered delayers (especially you comyt) then you can't go and say you're one of the best. Any decent sparrer can win spars against non-delayers. But it takes a skilled one to defeat both delayers and non-delayers.

i think comet is a bad example to use since he won the last gst with none of the "top sparers" on his team and he beat two of the teams with the strongest delays.

Posted by Kuz

G0AT when you said that Comyt's right because of when he beat the alumni members in gst after they came offensive that doesn't exactly agree with the point. Whenever I go offensive I suck these days it's getting someone to go out their familiar style. Everyone has their own style of play Most delayers=Defensive, if you see any defensive sparrer play offensive the result would be the same it's just harder.

I dont think i said he was right, I was saying that was one way of making a determination. If you ask me(IMO), any top sparer should be able to play offense and defense and adapt to peoples style.




Note: im not taking sides, i just find it better if people understand both sides of the argument. the problems are usually caused by people disliking each other and making bias statements, so thats why i throw my 2 cents in certain threads.

Ill say it again, Im sure a lot of the people that delay would win without a delay, but i dont think they would be as "dominant". That was my whole argument with pc players, but it was misunderstood as, "I thought all of them sucked".

Posted by Thallen

pathetic that the community has segregated itself and people are more interested in hiveminding and **********ing about delayers rather than beating them
yeah, we had delayers like Macen, Renee, and Meryl on PC Graal, and we didn't cry about them, we just adapted to the way they spar and we **** on them

http://i58.tinypic.com/200dvd1.png (Unsupported image host)  

welcome to the club goat

idk why anyone would say i can't beat delayers. ask abood and sebastian what they do when they find themselves in the same room as me (run away to another room). maybe you see me losing spars to delayers since well, it isn't gst and doesn't matter. in gst i stole their strategy (run away and swing at the air) and beat them with it since i am smarter. in single spar, i just want to have fun so i use offense.  

Posted by Thallen

can't believe it's been like a year plus of people falling back on the same pre-GST excuses
must really never get old to some people - always need some sort of crutch or controversary, someone forced themselves to delay or someone "DDoSed" you
DA LAG SWITCHEZ AND DA VPN

mindblowing that some people can't just say "I lost" or "I'm not very good against that person" or "I don't understand how to spar that way" and move on

pathetic that the community has segregated itself and people are more interested in hiveminding and **********ing about delayers rather than beating them
yeah, we had delayers like Macen, Renee, and Meryl on PC Graal, and we didn't cry about them, we just adapted to the way they spar and we **** on them

Really.. It's odd to you that people would go out of their way and go to extreme circumstances such as hacking, VPN manipulations and whatever DDoSing is, to win in this game? Are you completely crazy? Are you that big of a hypocrit? There are reasons people question your legitimacy. It's mind boggling that you can take yourself seriously every time you write something praising yourself.

Thallens Jail/Ban History:
Kea (Sat Mar 22 15:48:04 2008)
Warp to thallen, he added himself a hammer and he cheated exp in mining along with qplazm

March 18, 2008
Said to have been using speed hacks in the spar. He appeared to me as being quicker than all of the people he sparred, not by much, but still some. Enough to give him an unfair advantage. He's know to hack and cheat... obviously. Keep an eye on him.

Monday, February 18, 2008, 6:15 P.M. EST
Malinko has locally banned Thallen
Ban type: Hacking
Ban time: 10 years, 0 days and 0 hours
Reason: Time: Sun Feb 17 17:09:48 2008 - Player Thallen (ip 70.41.184.200) is using cheating tools: autoit v3. Banned for using autoit v3 logged in cheatwindows. User is NOT banned for any other reason besides the cheat window logged by the NPC-Server. User may play on other accounts if rules are not broken. For an un-ban of the account Thallen, please contact the GraalOnline Support Center at http://support.graalonline.com/.

Player Thallen (ip 70.41.184.200) is using
cheating tools: autoit v3 11:10

Not ever to be unbanned, under ANY
circumstance, he's had like 12 'permanent' bans
already, several for hacking and several others
for harassment. DO NOT unban him.
-NaS

8/9/07 3:27PM
Player Thallen (ip 75.105.100.79) is using
cheating tools: Cheat Engine 5.3
Player Thallen (ip 75.105.100.79) is using
cheating tools: Cheat Engine 5.3
Jailed for life
-derek

There's so much more, I just don't really feel like going through it all. Your nick and your guild should have asterisks all around them. Sarah pmed me randomly with "Thallen doesn't cheat anymore". Not sure why she felt the need to pm me this but you've been a hacker your whole life, even your guild members who didn't play with you on Client graal know your history as a known hacker.

"Hack all night" good decision removing that from youtube.  

i love this thread  

Posted by Comyt

i love this thread

Not as much as Demrow loves Thallen  

Posted by Colin

Not as much as Demrow loves Thallen

Not as much a Colin loves Demrow  

Thallen, take all delay members from alumni ( not naming people ) and you won't een stand a chance in winning gst ... You can argue all you want but it's honestly the ultimate truth .  

Posted by Natso

Thallen, take all delay members from alumni ( not naming people ) and you won't een stand a chance in winning gst ... You can argue all you want but it's honestly the ultimate truth .

In other words, anyone foreign isn't allowed to participate?

Also, why do you all complain that the server is so bad and laggy, when sparring in this lag obviously gives you such a huge advantage (aka how delayers have to spar all the time)  

Go Raindrop!  

I have about half of the people on this page on my ignored list so I can't really see the full conversation, but look what becomes of every spar thread because you guys are so obsessive and weird about delayers
it's like you can't handle it when a sparrer who is better than you refuses to jump on the "let's hate every international player because we are inconvenienced by the way that they spar" train

it's sad for me to see because the sparring community could be so much more competitive, active, and enjoyable, but instead you would rather shape it so that it's a middle school girl's bathroom where it's nothing but gossip, drama, and chat
it's pretty pathetic and it's why you almost never see me spar anymore, I don't even want to be associated with that  

something even weirder: when you only support someone when they are winning gst for your guild.

let's go ahead and compare thallen's statements on two players from different generations who sparred basically the same way.

thallen on sarah: "best guildsparrer"

now let's take a trip back through time to see how he felt about someone very similar who wasn't on his side.

thallen on izumi/yui: http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...4&postcount=74

"i don't even consider defensive sparrers (like Yui) in a conversation like this"

so fake.
and what old man is always doing on these forums: gossip, drama, and chat.

now old man, can we stop defending your lag army of people who "shouldn't even be considered in a conversation like this" or nah?

seems someone is being a major hypocrite talking about a "let's hate every international player because we are inconvenienced by the way they spar" train when they were on it first.  

Posted by Comyt

something even weirder: when you only support someone when they are winning gst for your guild.

let's go ahead and compare thallen's statements on two players from different generations who sparred basically the same way.

thallen on sarah: "best guildsparrer"

now let's take a trip back through time to see how he felt about someone very similar who wasn't on his side.

thallen on izumi/yui: http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...4&postcount=74

"i don't even consider defensive sparrers (like Yui) in a conversation like this"

so fake.
and what old man is always doing on these forums: gossip, drama, and chat.

now old man, can we stop defending your lag army of people who "shouldn't even be considered in a conversation like this" or nah?

seems someone is being a major hypocrite talking about a "let's hate every international player because we are inconvenienced by the way they spar" train when they were on it first.

Thallen the hypocrit.  

Maybe if have the "GFX Admins" change the graphics of the GST platform, then maybe it'd be more interesting. Oh yeah, also. If the "GFX Admins" actually did their job more completely, then no one would have an issues with the "GST" hats.

Posted by Comyt

something even weirder: when you only support someone when they are winning gst for your guild.

let's go ahead and compare thallen's statements on two players from different generations who sparred basically the same way.

thallen on sarah: "best guildsparrer"

now let's take a trip back through time to see how he felt about someone very similar who wasn't on his side.

thallen on izumi/yui: http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...4&postcount=74

"i don't even consider defensive sparrers (like Yui) in a conversation like this"

so fake.
and what old man is always doing on these forums: gossip, drama, and chat.

now old man, can we stop defending your lag army of people who "shouldn't even be considered in a conversation like this" or nah?

seems someone is being a major hypocrite talking about a "let's hate every international player because we are inconvenienced by the way they spar" train when they were on it first.

Good point, but shut the f*uck up. You and your Dad should leave things at home.  

Posted by Leaf

Maybe if have the "GFX Admins" change the graphics of the GST platform, then maybe it'd be more interesting. Oh yeah, also. If the "GFX Admins" actually did their job more completely, then no one would have an issues with the "GST" hats.

Allow me to clarify something, unless we're told to do something or it is set as an assignment then we won't do it, we don't decide if graphics need to be updated or revamped, thats a higher-up's job.

As for the GST hats, thats purely subjective. Some would agree, some would disagree, and we can't please everyone, and for that I apologise.  

Posted by Leaf

Good point, but shut the f*uck up. You and your Dad should leave things at home.

FF9 was a great ****ing game :').