Go go Donald Trump. Building a wall just in-case a Titan infestation comes true! How thoughtful.  

Posted by twilit

Who the hell is going to pay more taxes than they legally have to? No one. end of story.



The problem with making a "good" tax plan is that the federal budget is inversely related to economic growth. Trump wants major tax cuts, which will made a deficit budget and add to government debt; but it really will help our embarrassingly low GDP and inflation. Hillary wants to spike taxes on the highest income brackets, which will hurt large businesses; but even with a surplus budget, she will barely be scratching the surface of government debt.

Take a look at people who have published their tax returns, plenty of people pay their taxes. Trump is just being hypocritical, complaining that the country is going to **** when he is one of the ones not contributing.

What are you talking about? The US has the highest GDP out of any country and 6th highest per capita, if you're talking about GDP growth then the US is pretty much on par with every other country. Inflation has been fluctuating between 1-2% which is close to target levels. By world standards the US isn't doing that badly.

Cutting taxes for the wealthy won't solve anything, increasing them reduces the debt and increases government spending. The wealthy are known to be the biggest savers, they are the least likely to spend their money and often invest in the stock market or in foreign markets, it's just money leaking out of the economy. The government have the ability to redistribute the income and invest it, thus increasing aggregate demand and resulting in economic growth.

Consumption definitely affects growth/AD more so reducing the taxes for lower brackets is smart, reducing it for higher brackets has much less of an impact and doesn't really benefit anyone other than the rich.

Posted by DoubleliftGraal

I do not understand why Trump's tax is even relevant to Clinton's wrongdoings. You should know that what Clinton did are pretty bad too, such as the emails, Benghazi incident, and many more. In addition, her "friend" Obama did some dumb things too, such as sending 400 billion USD to some random country in CASH in AIRPLANE. So, if all of Clinton's close friends don't really have a good background, I'd go for Trump honestly. But who knows? Clinton could be a changed woman if she gets elected president and possibly get rid of our national debt? But who knows...

I'm not defending Clinton. I'm trying to understand how people who constantly defend him are able to do so when he's done so many stupid things and shows in no way that he is going to create any sort of change. Hillary also wants to decrease the taxes of everyone except the wealthiest, she will also increase the debt - just not by as much.  

Posted by Vendetta

Take a look at people who have published their tax returns, plenty of people pay their taxes. Trump is just being hypocritical, complaining that the country is going to **** when he is one of the ones not contributing.

What are you talking about? The US has the highest GDP out of any country and 6th highest per capita, if you're talking about GDP growth then the US is pretty much on par with every other country. Inflation has been fluctuating between 1-2% which is close to target levels. By world standards the US isn't doing that badly.

Cutting taxes for the wealthy won't solve anything, increasing them reduces the debt and increases government spending. The wealthy are known to be the biggest savers, they are the least likely to spend their money and often invest in the stock market or in foreign markets, it's just money leaking out of the economy. The government have the ability to redistribute the income and invest it, thus increasing aggregate demand and resulting in economic growth.

Consumption definitely affects growth/AD more so reducing the taxes for lower brackets is smart, reducing it for higher brackets has much less of an impact and doesn't really benefit anyone other than the rich.



I'm not defending Clinton. I'm trying to understand how people who constantly defend him are able to do so when he's done so many stupid things and shows in no way that he is going to create any sort of change. Hillary also wants to decrease the taxes of everyone except the wealthiest, she will also increase the debt - just not by as much.

Get em bro!!!  

Trump deserves to be President, not Hillary.  

Posted by John

Get em bro!!!

Are you John from Entity?  

The same people who wanted UK out of europe are same people who side with Trump lol and those who didn't want out side with Clinton over here. The debate not about the countries wellbeing.never has been.  

Posted by G Fatal

The same people who wanted UK out of europe are same people who side with Trump lol and those who didn't want out side with Clinton over here. The debate not about the countries wellbeing.never has been.

And like with voting Trump everyone was told leaving would be great, turns out people lie and aren't necessarily motivated by what you think they are.  

Posted by Vendetta

And like with voting anyone everyone was told leaving would be great, turns out people lie and aren't necessarily motivated by what you think they are.

FTFY cus it was biased  

Posted by Eugeen

FTFY cus it was biased

Oh 100%, there's insane amounts of lies from both sides. I think Trump's campaign overall reminds me more of the brexit one, driven by fear mongering and making ridiculous claims.  

Posted by Vendetta

increasing them reduces the debt and increases government spending

That isn't necessarily a good thing; there is a big problem with "government spending".

Take the military for example, they often don't reach their budget maximum so in order to maintain it they purchase things they don't need and just generally don't really care how much they waste so that the budget remains as high as possible and because it's already so high wasting large amounts of money doesn't really affect them. It's pretty common for them to excessively waste money.

Just from working on the largest Canadian Forces Base only for a few months it was pretty astounding how much money they managed to waste on little things, just imagine how much money the U.S military wastes with a six-hundred billion dollar budget.

Having more government spending doesn't do anything when they can't even spend it properly, the whole system needs to be reworked.

Posted by Vendetta

And like with voting Trump everyone was told leaving would be great, turns out people lie and aren't necessarily motivated by what you think they are.

Lol what did they expect? They could just leave the EU and still get all the benefits? That's just a case of people being stupid.

Should of just did what we did in Canada, we are apart of the Commonwealth and garner all the benefits but the Queens' limitations are far greater than any other Commonwealth nation.

You guys just ****'ed up because most of the people didn't actively look into what leaving would mean, if I was the EU I wouldn't even give you guys a grace period I'd just kick you out right away and re-accept you when you realize how bad leaving really is, hopefully that's how it works out.  

Posted by Colin

That isn't necessarily a good thing; there is a big problem with "government spending".

Take the military for example, they often don't reach their budget maximum so in order to maintain it they purchase things they don't need and just generally don't really care how much they waste so that the budget remains as high as possible and because it's already so high wasting large amounts of money doesn't really affect them. It's pretty common for them to excessively waste money.

Just from working on the largest Canadian Forces Base only for a few months it was pretty astounding how much money they managed to waste on little things, just imagine how much money the U.S military wastes with a six-hundred billion dollar budget.

Having more government spending doesn't do anything when they can't even spend it properly, the whole system needs to be reworked.

You are right to an extent, for it to be effective it 100% needs to be spent in an efficient way. The military in general doesn't do a lot for the economy and the US spend a pretty ridiculous amount on it. The government will never be able to perfectly manage spending, I imagine they try to do it as effectively as possible. I don't know how exactly it works for the US though. Either way it's better than it being sat in Trump's bank.

Posted by Colin

Lol what did they expect? They could just leave the EU and still get all the benefits? That's just a case of people being stupid.

Should of just did what we did in Canada, we are apart of the Commonwealth and garner all the benefits but the Queens' limitations are far greater than any other Commonwealth nation.

You guys just ****'ed up because most of the people didn't actively look into what leaving would mean, if I was the EU I wouldn't even give you guys a grace period I'd just kick you out right away and re-accept you when you realize how bad leaving really is, hopefully that's how it works out.

Yup, it was stupid to give the vote to the people in the first place. There's no way that the voters were able to make the informed decision with the lies they were fed (from both sides really).  

Lol people going on like brexit is a failure just because it isn't delivering certain things it said it would in campaign(Literally every campaign does that) furthermore brexit hasn't even started yet. The downterm of the pound etc is basically because other countries are worried of how it's going to pan out(because noone really can say for sure until there is a plan/agreements on stuff-everyone knew that before voting) Yeah It's likely pound will drop very low again but gradually will come back up like it is already slightly doing, this happened many many years ago infact like 50 years ago most countries were alot richer than they are now the damage was done years ago hi maggie.

@Colin you act as if eu is a safe haven and secure communities while in hindsight has been crumbling for awhile, while all look at the pound drop also euro's have been dropping and with main eu germany going to be biggest in eu I can only see it falling as they've used it to rinse money while not providing so much. The fact is eu countries need us hence why they all originally wanted us to stay, we provided eu countries the most.thats why deals will have to be made.  

Takes a special kind of stupid person to even compare voting for Trump to Brexit, but it's good that this thread has shifted to that discussion so the Clinton supporters can ignore the dozens of ridiculous things revealed in the Wikileaks dumps

There's never been a more crooked general election candidate than Hillary Clinton and if she makes it into office then you're sending a clear message to every politician that you're okay with that  

Posted by Thallen

Takes a special kind of stupid person to even compare voting for Trump to Brexit, but it's good that this thread has shifted to that discussion so the Clinton supporters can ignore the dozens of ridiculous things revealed in the Wikileaks dumps

Half the campaign was about putting the great back into Great Britain, taking our country back and limiting immigration. Seems familiar. It must also be pure coincidence that person who lead the campaign has been a guest speaker at Trump's rallies.

In my opinion the emails don't come as much of a surprise. Yeah, it's all disgusting (as is the whole politics scene) but it's something that politicians have done for a long time. It definitely needs to change, I just don't think Trump is the one to do it. I'd take corruption over stupidity any day.  

You don't become a multi-billionaire and create dozens and dozens of successful businesses by being stupid. However, Clinton used the "I was too stupid to know better" defense when she was asked by the FBI about why she set up an unsecured email server at her home. Neither candidate is actually stupid, and only one candidate has a track record of being a corrupt and careless politician.