Posted by -Albus

So you're saying I can download Era and with the starter equipment be on a level playing field as someone who has spent money on the game? Because the point Dusty is making is that nearly everything you buy on Classic is to play dress up or show off. The stuff you buy on Era makes you stronger than other players, and will give you an advantage over someone who doesn't spend money on the game.

Nah actually i was trying to argue that everything in era is relatively cheaper. You make it sound like Classic offers more privileges to free players than in Era. For what its worth, spending $100 on era is far more enjoyable.

BTW, exactly my point. Hats on classic doesn't offer any good content/benefits so why such high prices if they're not worth it?  

I think Fire Surge described his opinion very specific in his view.
Reducing hat prices aren't our decision, but reminding admins that price of a hat is expensive isn't a bad argue. In my opinion, regular hat price must be 2500 gralat. So it's equivalent to $1 in US dollar. If you are comparing Classic to Era, that's completely wrong. Classic is classic, era is era. Classic has a unique community that supports the game, era has a amazing contents that holds the community.
Fire Surge I think your paragraph explains enough when you said "Swamp will have less things to do." Overall I completely agree and support your idea. I want to remind the iClassic Level Developers to put more variety activities that we can do with friends. Something like chess game, more quests, dungeons and the mystery of underwater worlds. Just finish up what you guys were trying to make.
Additionally add a fresh themes to each towns. Make us feel like "we are in the fantasy world!"
I just love iClassic so much!! That's why I take your argue seriously! Please do not feel offended by this paragraph!

Posted by iChronic

FYI, they provide more than just starter guns. They allow free players to wear hats.

k d00de this is my logic:

Starting price of 2p mounts:

30k
50k
100k

starting price of guns:

600g
1k
3k
5k
15k
20k
45k
65k
100k

I know 2p mount is optional but wtf d00de 30k? A regular player in era can buy a whole arsenal of bombs, arrows, guns and a ferari with that sh*t.

Do you know why? Cheap guns are trash. When I was new I bought two uzis, it's not even a cheapest gun, but It still can't handle a person in spar who has m4.
AK 47 is the gun I saw that can kill someone by your own.
Then I bought m4 for 55k which is ridiculous amount of money. In addition if you want to adjust the amount bullets you want to shoot, you have to pay extra 45k in to your m4. So this sounds crazy to become a pro in era.

I understand that 2 player mounts are expensive, but making money in era sounds easy? Nope! That's your dream! I spent hour by hour digging and killing crabs every 30 seconds. Feared people stealing my shells!!
No jobs in era is easier than classic quest in York town that requires you to collect ONLY 75 pyrats patches and earn 1000 gralats for a day!
Some facts, some opinion. I hope this argument change your mind.  

*sifts through gralats in wallets* Hmph. Not bad.  

Actually a hat on era is about 1000-4000 and classic its like 3000-6000 and on era you get what you pay for, on classic theres only one sword, so the only things you buy is new looks because a green horse works just as good as a black one, and a red hat works as good as a blue one, and a red phoenix does absolutely nothing just like a pumpkin.

A pbp works better than an ak-47, a katana works better than a machete, a car works better than a skateboard, and so on  

Posted by eric

Actually a hat on era is about 1000-4000 and classic its like 3000-6000 and on era you get what you pay for, on classic theres only one sword, so the only things you buy is new looks because a green horse works just as good as a black one, and a red hat works as good as a blue one, and a red phoenix does absolutely nothing just like a pumpkin.

A pbp works better than an ak-47, a katana works better than a machete, a car works better than a skateboard, and so on

Exactly! Nice point! Classic is all equal, rich to poor, pro to newb.
Era is pay to win, so everything is different.  

Posted by meganey98

AK 47 is the gun I saw that can kill someone by your own.
Then I bought m4 for 55k which is ridiculous amount of money. In addition if you want to adjust the amount bullets you want to shoot, you have to pay extra 45k in to your m4. So this sounds crazy to become a pro in era.

I understand that 2 player mounts are expensive, but making money in era sounds easy? Nope! That's your dream! I spent hour by hour digging and killing crabs every 30 seconds. Feared people stealing my shells!!
No jobs in era is easier than classic quest in York town that requires you to collect ONLY 75 pyrats patches and earn 1000 gralats for a day!
Some facts, some opinion. I hope this argument change your mind.

i had an AK47 and i was fine. I had to adjust to a much better gun though so i bought an adaptive rifle for 15k. My only concern was not being able to afford the "death revive" and "unlimited ammo"..which was like 12k?

I started doing the daily quests to earn income but it wasn't enough because i only earned about 6k in an 1 hour? ya that much moneyz. I was like "oshieettt cash money heroeezzz"

i thought 1 hour of hard labor was totally worth it for 6k then one of my broz told me about the random mushrooms that are worth like 100-200 per yield. I eventually harvested mushrooms worth around 15k.. i didn't know where they were sold so they remained stacked in my inventory.

Took me 2 days to harvest 20k worth of mushrooms and trash (the 20k excludes the income i earned from the delivery quest and shells i dug up which equates to around 6k). I spent probably a maximum of 3 hrs a day scavenging. I know it seems a lot but 3 hrs of farming in Graal is only 6k.

edit:

Your shells only get stolen if you let them stay out in the sand for more than 5 minutes.  

Just want to point out a few things

1.idk y ppl say there is a 2p mount thats 30k the cheapest one is the rhino which is 40k. I don't understand why you would essentially have to pay $40 Merican to get enough gralats to buy the mount. It would take a long while to save that much not worth it imo.

2.I agree with dusty how classic is set up so its even for all players across the board. However like Meganey said It would be great if the admins finished the promised content they started. It really bugs me sometimes that classic is more about cosmetic looks then actually game play content. As a kid who grew up playing Loz I see sooo much more potential for this game,but it seems like to me the admins act as if they are limited on being able to add content which I don't understand.

3.As I have complained about many time I don't agree with hat updates every other week. Some of the hats I don't like at all some I really like,but After paying 4-5k then seeing at least half of classic wearing the same hat I don't feel as good about buying the hat. Maybe 1 hat update a month would be better with 4-5 hats of varying prices would be better.

4.The thing I was surprised I didn't see mentioned in the other posts is one of the major differences in era and classic. JOBS. era has jobs to help you earn money while in classic you have to do A mini quest everyday,farm,catch bugs,or have a maze/code shop. I don't play era enough to know whither or not doing a job gets you gralats faster than you can make them on classic.

Imo without buying a gralat pack or 2 it's very hard to save up gralats in classic. specially if your a newer player that wants to get the items that the older players all ready have. Then there are the biweekly hat updates and the random nexus/revolution openings with several rooms of items. I just think the balance of getting gralats vs the item prices isn't right. What I'm saying is imo most ppl would be happier if there was faster way to earn a little bit more gralats then the prices would be fine.

Yes i know you can do maze/codeshops for easier gralats. IMO it takes 10k to get one set up and will take a little while to earn back what you spent to set it up and make profit.  

Posted by iChronic

i had an AK47 and i was fine. I had to adjust to a much better gun though so i bought an adaptive rifle for 15k. My only concern was not being able to afford the "death revive" and "unlimited ammo"..which was like 12k?

I started doing the daily quests to earn income but it wasn't enough because i only earned about 6k in an 1 hour? ya that much moneyz. I was like "oshieettt cash money heroeezzz"

i thought 1 hour of hard labor was totally worth it for 6k then one of my broz told me about the random mushrooms that are worth like 100-200 per yield. I eventually harvested mushrooms worth around 15k.. i didn't know where they were sold so they remained stacked in my inventory.

Took me 2 days to harvest 20k worth of mushrooms and trash (the 20k excludes the income i earned from the delivery quest and shells i dug up which equates to around 6k). I spent probably a maximum of 3 hrs a day scavenging. I know it seems a lot but 3 hrs of farming in Graal is only 6k.

edit:

Your shells only get stolen if you let them stay out in the sand for more than 5 minutes.

If you can make 6k in an hour, I think every probably bought bar, pbp and good melees by now. I don't know where or what you did, but I harvested mushrooms and trash for 3 hours and only made 1.8k.
In classic you may start with pyrat quest in the york town takes like 5 minutes with a mount, and after the pyrat quest you can start hunting bugs in anywhere. They are randomly spawned, but I hunt bugs in onnet forest for one hour and made 1k.

Plus I got shells stolen often because I already got disconnected several times in era while I was digging up and when I got back on (right away) my shells are all taken by other players. I find this pretty annoying. While classic works fine at all time.  

Stop comparing iClassic to iEra, it's all different.  

Posted by Wolfie

Stop comparing iClassic to iEra, it's all different.

You just admitted that they are comparable by calling them 'different'.  

Posted by MattKan

You just admitted that they are comparable by calling them 'different'.

I know they're comparable, but at least compare them on another thread?

Because, this thread is about supporting Fire Surge's idea or not, not about what game is easier to gain money.  

Make quests.pay cash for quests. there you go unixmad.  

Someone tell iEra to stop stealing content from iClassic, thxs  

Posted by MattKan

You just admitted that they are comparable by calling them 'different'.

No dear, that would be called "contrast."

In Classic, you pay 2500/4500 for a cheap horse, 2000 for a lantern, shovel and net are FREE. Theres nothing else you NEED to buy to play the game; the rest is vanity. It really isnt hard to save money in Classic: Step 1: Get Teh Gralats: Do Pyrat Quest first thing you log on. Instead of AFKing in GraalCity with pervy advertisements, get off your ass and farm. Step 2: Save Teh Gralats: Only buy stuff that youll use/wear often enough for its worth. If you waste all your gralats on hatz you never wear, thats a dollar in Stefans wallet, youre fault.
I used to be able to keep at least 100k gralats at any time... until recently i have been blowing gralats on furniture.  

Just to be clear here, I am almost certain it is 100x easier to make gralats in Era than it is in Classic. You can be a Postman, make pizza, dig shells. It adds diversity to the gameplay, that Classic really doesn't have, so iEra can afford to make things a tad more expensive. In iClassic it used to be fairly easy to make gralats, but now you have to spend your entire afternoon trying to make 2k.