So Apple took a stance against the Confederate Flag by removing most apps from their App Store that make use of it.

Their official statement is that "[they] have removed apps from the App Store that use the Confederate flag in offensive or mean-spirited ways, which is in violation of our guidelines. We are not removing apps that display the Confederate flag for educational or historical uses."

Despite this, civil war themed games have been removed from the store for featuring the flag. Developers are required to update their games by either removing the flag or create a fictionalized version of the flag.

http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-remov...-flag-imagery/

Thoughts on the Apple's decision and or the flag itself? Discuss.

IMO, Apple has always been overzealous when dealing with what they deem inappropriate imagery. Arguably civil war games can be used for educational purposes. Strategy games is where I discovered my passion for history. No company should cater to political correctness at the expense of historical inaccuracy. You can either face the past, understand the wrongdoings committed and move forward or pretend the issue never existed.  

 

Yeah I agree Apple is just hopping on the bandwagon but to understand this situation we need to know how things went to **** like this.

The Media.

The ****ing media does a horrifically amazing job at brainwashing people and getting them to sharpen their pitchforks and light their torches.

See, when that psychotic white kid murdered those 9 people at Charleston, the media first covered that story and then almost immediately pointed the finger at something almost completely irrelevant, in this case the fact that the kid was holding a Confederate flag in one ****ing photograph.

Oh? Like we didn't already know this kid was a racist maniac with a gun and killer intentions?

Nah, "Lets just point the finger at some piece of cloth and forget the murderous psychopath responsible for the crime. As long as the people all band up with us, thing'll be fine."

Now you've got the entire nation riled up against one another because of a stupid flag. Ironically, during his interrogation, Dylann Roof claimed he murdered those 9 people in order to start a race war.

Well whether we ****ing like it or not, his main goal has been nearly achieved by a bunch of ******s with cameras and microphones.

Now total disclaimer; I really don't support Confederate flag, I'd be much happier seeing it gone than still here. To me, its the equivalent of the Swastika and everyone claiming it is important to their heritage can just eat a ****. Heritage my ***, their "heritage" is a bunch of white guys who enslaved humans and then lost an entire war to it. Some heritage.

The fact that the media managed to stir the entire nation into one ****fest of a national debate is just appalling to me.

But of course, this is America and everything we do here somehow manages to contradict something else done before.

So here's Apple caring for all those people against the Confederate flag while secretly asking them to buy their newest iPhone.

Jobs-sama, you will be dearly missed.  

good for them  

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/...can-flag-down/

F**K the confederate flag, down with the American flag. Preach faruka kan



Apple gains more from joining the bandwagon, so I don't see anything wrong. At the end of the day they're a business and they're going to make whatever decision is best for business.


As far as 5hifts rant goes, that's the medias job. BS people to have them glued to the tv. It's up to the individual person to educate themselves and get the correct facts.  

Posted by 5hift

Yeah I agree Apple is just hopping on the bandwagon but to understand this situation we need to know how things went to **** like this.

The Media.

The ****ing media does a horrifically amazing job at brainwashing people and getting them to sharpen their pitchforks and light their torches.

See, when that psychotic white kid murdered those 9 people at Charleston, the media first covered that story and then almost immediately pointed the finger at something almost completely irrelevant, in this case the fact that the kid was holding a Confederate flag in one ****ing photograph.

Oh? Like we didn't already know this kid was a racist maniac with a gun and killer intentions?

Nah, "Lets just point the finger at some piece of cloth and forget the murderous psychopath responsible for the crime. As long as the people all band up with us, thing'll be fine."

Now you've got the entire nation riled up against one another because of a stupid flag. Ironically, during his interrogation, Dylann Roof claimed he murdered those 9 people in order to start a race war.

Well whether we ****ing like it or not, his main goal has been nearly achieved by a bunch of ******s with cameras and microphones.

Now total disclaimer; I really don't support Confederate flag, I'd be much happier seeing it gone than still here. To me, its the equivalent of the Swastika and everyone claiming it is important to their heritage can just eat a ****. Heritage my ***, their "heritage" is a bunch of white guys who enslaved humans and then lost an entire war to it. Some heritage.

The fact that the media managed to stir the entire nation into one ****fest of a national debate is just appalling to me.

But of course, this is America and everything we do here somehow manages to contradict something else done before.

So here's Apple caring for all those people against the Confederate flag while secretly asking them to buy their newest iPhone.

Jobs-sama, you will be dearly missed.

The problem with the Confederate flag is that it doesn't really represent "heritage" or even "state's rights". While the Confederate flag was used in to some extent during the Civil War, it wasn't commonplace until several decades later—when the KKK begun to use it to rally their "cause".

Yeah, it's media sensationalism. They'd much rather point their fingers at a flag than the racist people carrying the flag (who are, incidentally, going to remain racist even without the flag). But I still certainly think the removal of the Confederate flag from stores is a positive change.  

The Confederate flag was not originally a "racist" symbol. People think it is now because people overgeneralize everything associated with the American Civil War.  

Their censoring everything
Wtf The internet is supposed to be a place of free thaught  

Posted by twilit

The Confederate flag was not originally a "racist" symbol. People think it is now because people overgeneralize everything associated with the American Civil War.

The Confederate flag was used to represent a people that broke off from a nation in order to protect their "autonomy" in deciding whether or not they should be allowed to enslave human beings on the basis of their race and force them to submit to the rest of the population via unconditional labor. It was later used by the KKK as they marched to promote white supremacy and flew over them as they murdered, maimed, and slaughtered people solely because of their race.

Definitely not a racist symbol.  

Posted by twilit

The Confederate flag was not originally a "racist" symbol. People think it is now because people overgeneralize everything associated with the American Civil War.

The flag's designer, W. T. Thompson, called it "The White Man's Flag", and also said: "As a people we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause." Also: "As a national emblem, it is significant of our higher cause, the cause of a superior race, and a higher civilization contending against ignorance, infidelity, and barbarism."

But regardless of its origins, I don't know if outright censorship of it (such as what Apple is doing) is the right call.  

Posted by twilit

The Confederate flag was not originally a "racist" symbol. People think it is now because people overgeneralize everything associated with the American Civil War.

The swastika was a religious symbol before it was appropriated as a nazi icon. A symbol's (barely in this case) less offensive past doesn't change its modern connotations, or cancel out how offensive it is for so many people today.

Removing it from use in civil war games seems weird to me, but imo it is a step in the right direction regardless.  

Shouldn't be removed from games set in the time period where they were used, especially considering most kids who play war based games on their iDevices probably won't even notice or understand/care about any of the flags.  

Posted by Colin

Shouldn't be removed from games set in the time period where they were used, especially considering most kids who play war based games on their iDevices probably won't even notice or understand/care about any of the flags.

Exposing kids to content that is racist without having them know that it is racist is not a good idea.  

Racist or not, censoring history is not acceptable. History should be facts not biased opinion on what someone thinks is right or wrong, welcome to the real world.

But at the end of the day they are little flags on stupid mobile apps that literally nobody cares about, they have never caused any problems and they never will.  

Posted by Colin

Racist or not, censoring history is not acceptable. History should be facts not biased opinion on what someone thinks is right or wrong, welcome to the real world.

But at the end of the day they are little flags on stupid mobile apps that literally nobody cares about, they have never caused any problems and they never will.

This.