Official "rules for the game" - 2

Crono · 05-09-2014

Lucky I can't use Valikorlia's death metal jail.

iHot · 05-09-2014

Posted by Imprint

If someone has 8 offences in the last month they deserve more than one week. The point is, bans aren't supposed to be fun, they aren't supposed to be lax, and they're supposed to be a deterrent for bad behaivior. Four or Six hours aren't a deterrent. Especially if a person has a history of being banned.

Ok how about this?
Warning>>12 hours>>One day>>Two days>>Four days>>Six days>>One week>>Two weeks>>One month>>Six Months>>One year.

Essentially the warning, 12 hour band and one day ban are warnings. After that the punishments become more severe.

Ghettoicedtea · 05-10-2014

Or instead, warning, 1 hour ban, 2 hour ban, 4 hr ban, 16 hr ban and keep on squaring the awnsers.

Cookie Xanadu · 05-16-2014

Game Disruption

• Players who attempt to interrupt any type of event going on in the server. This could include intentionally lagging in spars, modem-tapping in events or at towers, blocking areas of interest to news updates, etc. This also includes players who encourage other players to break any kind of rule.

Warning, 1 Week, 1 Month

This should just be an event ban for X time, pretty ******ed

Boosting Statistics

• Players who boost their statistics through illegitimate means. This is for players who are boosting their spar wins/losses and PK kills intentionally and illegally. If you are banned for this, your stats will also be cleared in the respective area.
Warning, 1 Week, 1 Month

Boosting spar ratio.. Eh, I'll let you have it, but boosting PK counts is just ******ed to ban as well. PKing shows nothing and can easily be tampered

General Harassment

• Players who evade the swear filter and direct this foul language at other players. Essentially, players who harass other players verbally.

Warning, 1 Week, 1 Month

Foul language shouldn't be a ban. Harassment can easily be fixed by blocking the player. If said player goes beyond and makes accounts just to harass, then it's a problem. Shouldn't ban unless multiple accounts are involved to harass one player

Inappropriate Behavior

• Players who are slightly offensive (in some text-based manner) but not severely.

Warning, 1 Week, 1 Month

This is too ambiguous and needs more clarification

Severe Vulgarity

• Um. Kind of self explanatory. Don't do it. lol.

1 Month, 3 Months, 6 Months

To a certain extent yes, but this is something I really don't care for. Free game

Inappropriate Solicitation

• Players who are clearly asking for sexual activities/favors. Don't do that, ew.

3 Months, 6 Months, 12 Months

Given this, I whole-heartedly think is fair, but should warrant a permanent ban on the third strike; if from the same IP, then IP ban may be warranted

Distributing Personal Information

• Players who distribute private, personal information about other players/staff.

1 Month, 3 Months, 6 Months

Eh, yeah I'm fine with these times

Intentional Scamming

• Players who attempt or successfully scam other players. This includes any scamming of any kind.

1 Month, 3 Months, 6 Months

Way too harsh of a sentence for scamming, especially when things are in place to prevent it.

Hacking or Cheating

• Players who use third-party software to better themselves in-game. This includes wall-hacking, speed-hacking, farming bots, etc.

3 Months, 6 Months, 12 Months

I agree, except third should be permanent

Thallen · 05-16-2014

Posted by iHot

Damn...those ban times are unforgiving. I'd go as far to say as it's going a bit overboard. I mean come on ONE WEEK for foul language? Last time I checked this was an online game and swearing is prevalent in all online games. Yeah sure you get a warning but you can't just jail someone for a few hours?

However I agree with the harsh ban times for the offensives on the lower part of your list Xavier.

I don't think the ban reasons or punishment times are that unreasonable, it's just that sometimes I feel like there's a rush to punish people who genuinely didn't intend to break a rule. There's never any manual mediation, as in GPs here never seem to actually personally look into the issue. They just observe or look at a report, then make a decision.

As an example, a younger person in a guild I'm in was asked by a friend to make a guild. For whatever reason, his friend asked him to make the guild "siegheil" (the Nazi salute). He's not German and didn't even know what the hell that was, so he makes the guild and before he's even able to transfer it, he's banned.

He claims he has no extensive ban history and was banned for a month with no warning. Could staff not just delete the guild and talk with the player first? Warn him and ask about the situation? He appealed and was denied. Even if his story was a lie, I think month-long bans for stuff like that is kind of extreme and unforgiving. Maybe if his guild name was in his native language and read "KILL ALL KIKES IRL BECAUSE I HATE THEM" then I get it, but geeze. It's arguable that just the phrase "sieg heil" is even offensive. Is there like a quota that GPs have to meet per month?
There's a guild named "HAIL TITER" since forever, isn't that equally as offensive? There was a guild named "Kool Kids Klub" that made a ton of KKK references and they got off. "Sandy Hook Elementary" was Loops' guild, poking fun at a school shooting in the US. It seems like GP interference is very selective in most cases.

Not trying to hijack this as a thread to make a plea for him, but just providing a recent example that I know of to support what I'm saying.

I've had some obsessive weirdo who I exposed for stealing hats making countless harassing statuses about me, claiming that I'm a ********* and using my real name, etc. Every time I've reported it, the status gets cleared. He hasn't been banned yet. So, I really don't understand the thought process behind banning vs. clearing/deleting vs. warning.

Posted by Cookie Xanadu

I agree, except third should be permanent

It should be, and people who hack gralats should probably be banned for a much longer time initially, because people pay a lot of money to get them and it's kind of a disrespect to supporters of the game.

Cookie Xanadu · 05-16-2014

Posted by Thallen

Acceptable argument

Concerning the quota thing; it's more that new GPs want to show their GPA that they're good and ****, so they'll try and ban for whatever they can just to show that they know the rules and how to do the process. Hell, when I first got PR I was a hard-ass and jailed for a **** ton of things that most would just brush off, but after a few weeks I stopped caring and only hammered down on repeat offenses and whatever actually needed it. If someone was being racist I would ask those around and everyone was fine with the words, so it was fine. Otherwise they'd get a warning and then go from there.

Or they could be power-hungry, but you never know

PennyShine · 05-17-2014

Posted by Xavier

Intentional Scamming

• Players who attempt or successfully scam other players. This includes any scamming of any kind.

1 Month, 3 Months, 6 Months

Does this also include gift for gift scamming during Christmas? Not saying I support banning for this since g4g isn't the point of Christmas, but technically it's still scamming.

Cookie Xanadu · 05-17-2014

Posted by PennyShine

Does this also include gift for gift scamming during Christmas? Not saying I support banning for this since g4g isn't the point of Christmas, but technically it's still scamming.

Scamming shouldn't even be jailable, honestly. There are systems in place to prevent scams. If people choose to ignore it, then that's their loss and the scammer should get off free. Now if it were something like Era's system and it involved an actual trade with a money counter that's very small to see and doesn't announce any changes, then it's acceptable to a degree

TarePanda · 05-20-2014

Posted by Xavier

I will agree that the ban times are harsh; however, the reasoning behind them is to really discourage players from fooling around again. If they're only banned for the time it takes them to do their homework or hang out with some friends, they're just going to do it again without a thought. Because of this, players either get banned once and never do it again, or they keep getting multiple-offense bans with massive ban times; they can't be a menace to the server anymore. This generally results in a better community experience overall by correcting the people willing to conform and sweeping the nasty, stubborn kids out. P.S. The less-serious offenses also give a warning the first time as stated, so there's also that safety buffer.

people like you are the reason people leave the community

Distorted · 05-20-2014

Thanks Xavier, that helps!

Vendetta · 05-20-2014

Posted by TarePanda

people like you are the reason people leave the community

Explain? He made a great point.

Cookie Xanadu · 05-20-2014

Posted by Vendetta

Explain? He made a great point.

Some of these rules shouldn't even warrant a ban in the first place. They have systems in place to stop this from happening, so anything that involves going around these things is the fault of the player only (Only exception being vulgarity; shouldn't even have a ban in the first place). As for some of the other times like hacking/major glitching, asking for sexual favors and ****; I feel the times on it are too soft and need a much longer sentence with a permanent ban. Hell, even an IP ban would be nice to have for repeat offenders.

If you want more clarification then just ask. I can't write up much more as I have stuff I need to do.

Thallen · 07-02-2014

Is it actually legal to be evading a ban of any sort? Serious question, because sometimes I'm seeing that banned players seem to be immediately rebanned and then other times I see players who are banned on alternate accounts, using their recognized name, and getting off with it, so I'm confused about that. If it is, alrighty. If not, what's the punishment for evading?

Xavier · 07-02-2014

Posted by Thallen

Is it actually legal to be evading a ban of any sort? Serious question, because sometimes I'm seeing that banned players seem to be immediately rebanned and then other times I see players who are banned on alternate accounts, using their recognized name, and getting off with it, so I'm confused about that. If it is, alrighty. If not, what's the punishment for evading?

It is not legal; anyone who is getting away with it just hasn't been caught. The punishment is just the same ban originally given.

Thallen · 07-02-2014

Posted by Xavier

It is not legal; anyone who is getting away with it just hasn't been caught. The punishment is just the same ban originally given.

As in you just ban the account that they're evading on? Or you extend their ban?

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Crono :pluffy: Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,944	Lucky I can't use Valikorlia's death metal jail.

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Ghettoicedtea (☞ﾟ∀ﾟ)☞ dank meme ☚(ﾟヮﾟ☚) Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Utah Posts: 5,261	Or instead, warning, 1 hour ban, 2 hour ban, 4 hr ban, 16 hr ban and keep on squaring the awnsers.

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Cookie Xanadu Uguu~ Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Canada, NS Posts: 1,046	Game Disruption • Players who attempt to interrupt any type of event going on in the server. This could include intentionally lagging in spars, modem-tapping in events or at towers, blocking areas of interest to news updates, etc. This also includes players who encourage other players to break any kind of rule. Warning, 1 Week, 1 Month This should just be an event ban for X time, pretty ****ed Boosting Statistics** • Players who boost their statistics through illegitimate means. This is for players who are boosting their spar wins/losses and PK kills intentionally and illegally. If you are banned for this, your stats will also be cleared in the respective area. Warning, 1 Week, 1 Month Boosting spar ratio.. Eh, I'll let you have it, but boosting PK counts is just ****ed to ban as well. PKing shows nothing and can easily be tampered General Harassment** • Players who evade the swear filter and direct this foul language at other players. Essentially, players who harass other players verbally. Warning, 1 Week, 1 Month Foul language shouldn't be a ban. Harassment can easily be fixed by blocking the player. If said player goes beyond and makes accounts just to harass, then it's a problem. Shouldn't ban unless multiple accounts are involved to harass one player Inappropriate Behavior • Players who are slightly offensive (in some text-based manner) but not severely. Warning, 1 Week, 1 Month This is too ambiguous and needs more clarification Severe Vulgarity • Um. Kind of self explanatory. Don't do it. lol. 1 Month, 3 Months, 6 Months To a certain extent yes, but this is something I really don't care for. Free game Inappropriate Solicitation • Players who are clearly asking for sexual activities/favors. Don't do that, ew. 3 Months, 6 Months, 12 Months Given this, I whole-heartedly think is fair, but should warrant a permanent ban on the third strike; if from the same IP, then IP ban may be warranted Distributing Personal Information • Players who distribute private, personal information about other players/staff. 1 Month, 3 Months, 6 Months Eh, yeah I'm fine with these times Intentional Scamming • Players who attempt or successfully scam other players. This includes any scamming of any kind. 1 Month, 3 Months, 6 Months Way too harsh of a sentence for scamming, especially when things are in place to prevent it. Hacking or Cheating • Players who use third-party software to better themselves in-game. This includes wall-hacking, speed-hacking, farming bots, etc. 3 Months, 6 Months, 12 Months I agree, except third should be permanent

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Distorted Banned Join Date: May 2014 Location: The Grotto Posts: 1,345	Thanks Xavier, that helps!

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Thallen Enguard & Alumni Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 5,773	Is it actually legal to be evading a ban of any sort? Serious question, because sometimes I'm seeing that banned players seem to be immediately rebanned and then other times I see players who are banned on alternate accounts, using their recognized name, and getting off with it, so I'm confused about that. If it is, alrighty. If not, what's the punishment for evading?