Bar and PBP definately need a nerf. Don't make all guns balanced as that would ruin the purpose of getting a better gun. But have gaps between guns. But the gap can't be so large that 2 guns can dominate pking basing spar etc.  

Posted by lord greg

Bar and PBP definately need a nerf. Don't make all guns balanced as that would ruin the purpose of getting a better gun. But have gaps between guns. But the gap can't be so large that 2 guns can dominate pking basing spar etc.

or just do this

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

A HP increase to 100 would help a bunch to balance out the game, a BAR would be 18 damage, this way it would STILL be the most dominate gun, but weapons that are 8 damage would be increased to 15 damage. BAR still will deal the most damage but it would be taken down from its current 5 shot 1 kill to a 6 shot one hit kill and the gap would be closed big time, also the best part about this system is that it will still feel like the current HP system of all guns take at least 6 hits. The two guns that would be the 5 hit kill would be tardus and neo rifle both at 20-22 damage.

Thoughts?

i just noticed with this system, the PBP would have to go down to 3 damage so it would be 14 in good shape upgraded it would be 19, i could deal with shotguns if this was implace and this system would be the fastest way to balance out all the weapons. To determine how much heals heal its just the current heal x2 (bed heals 5hp with this it would heal 10)

IF this was implace then damages would look like this (all in GOOD shape)
Neo = 20 damage
tardus = 22 damage
9 dmg = 18 damage
8 damage = 15 damage
7 = 14 damage
6 damage = 13 damage
5 dmg = 12 dmg
4 dmg = 11
3 = 10
2 = 9
1 = 8  

A big NO!

Close this thread it will only start flame, plus it's unfair to the people who got BAR, PBP And shoizen as they paid a lot...

And no this guns are not OP it all depends on the wielder, I myself owned shoizen, bar and pbp with a tec9 in spars..


Kid, practise on your skills then complain :/ anyone who is good at using guns can own any of this weapons you mentioned.  

Crazy suggestion but next time, maybe use a poll?  

Posted by bobo

Easy way to nerf all the op guns without "nerfing" them.

Increase health.
Buff all guns, with the lesser guns gaining more improvements.

Example (dramatized to demonstrate the concept, not suggest a planned improvement):
Max Health: 75
Bar: 10 base damage, no changes to other stats
M4: 9 base damage, no changes to other stats
Famas: 8 base damage, higher rate of fire, increased spread
Handgun: 7 base damage, increased spread (even more spread dual wield)

Current Hits to Kill: (Bar)6:13(Handgun)
Example Changes: (Bar)8:11(Handgun)

Not all guns would receive damage buffs (ie Famas) to add variety and help disguise the nerfs.

I like this idea, but if this doesn't happen (hp increase) I would suggest the bars reload freeze/time be increased, and the pbp's Dmg be capped at 15  

Posted by romario786

A big NO!

Close this thread it will only start flame, plus it's unfair to the people who got BAR, PBP And shoizen as they paid a lot...

And no this guns are not OP it all depends on the wielder, I myself owned shoizen, bar and pbp with a tec9 in spars..


Kid, practise on your skills then complain :/ anyone who is good at using guns can own any of this weapons you mentioned.

you sir are ******ed *slaps romario with a fish* You clearly dont want them nerfed because then you will suck ass  

I agree that the op guns should be nerfed, a high price is not a justification for being powerful.  

Bar could use a reload nerf. And maybe a slightly slower rate of fire. I bought mine because of the damage and speed. Souizen doesn't really need anything done to it, it's perfectly fine IMO. PBP needs a bit slower rate of fire. And i think that's it.
An increase in health would be nice, but not too large. 75 sounds great.
But if health is increased, I don't think that damage should be increased.
Gotta keep in mind price differences, because they should make a difference, but not a crazy large over powered difference.
Honestly, I think things are pretty fine as they are, and the nerfs mentioned above are just little things to balance a little bit better. But it's all opinionated.  

If a hp increase happened, why would you scale gun damage? That just makes the problem exactly the same o.o  

I have been saying era needs a HP and speed buff for a while. 100 HP and a bit faster walking speed. This would enable more room for balancing and the ability to introduce some more powerful weapons in the mix.  

Posted by romario786

And no this guns are not OP it all depends on the wielder, I myself owned shoizen, bar and pbp with a tec9 in spars..


Kid, practise on your skills then complain :/ anyone who is good at using guns can own any of this weapons you mentioned.

Yes, skill is needed in stuff like PKing. But what about stuff like basing if sparring? Spam a PBP or BAR, I'll guarantee you'll win almost everytime.  

Posted by Ozzy Magus

The bar,shipka,pbp,souizen are high-priced, so have to be 'better' (stats-wise) then other guns.

Therein lies the problem.  

Posted by SnakeRekon

If a hp increase happened, why would you scale gun damage? That just makes the problem exactly the same o.o

omfg read please

A HP increase to 100 would help a bunch to balance out the game, a BAR would be 18 damage, this way it would STILL be the most dominate gun, but weapons that are 8 damage would be increased to 15 damage. BAR still will deal the most damage but it would be taken down from its current 5 shot 1 kill to a 6 shot one hit kill and the gap would be closed big time, also the best part about this system is that it will still feel like the current HP system of all guns take at least 6 hits. The two guns that would be the 5 hit kill would be tardus and neo rifle both at 20-22 damage.

Thoughts?
i just noticed with this system, the PBP would have to go down to 3 damage so it would be 14 in good shape upgraded it would be 19, i could deal with shotguns if this was implace and this system would be the fastest way to balance out all the weapons. To determine how much heals heal its just the current heal x2 (bed heals 5hp with this it would heal 10)

IF this was implace then damages would look like this (all in GOOD shape)
Neo = 20 damage
tardus = 22 damage
9 dmg = 18 damage
8 damage = 15 damage
7 = 14 damage
6 damage = 13 damage
5 dmg = 12 dmg
4 dmg = 11
3 = 10
2 = 9
1 = 8  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

omfg read please

A HP increase to 100 would help a bunch to balance out the game, a BAR would be 18 damage, this way it would STILL be the most dominate gun, but weapons that are 8 damage would be increased to 15 damage. BAR still will deal the most damage but it would be taken down from its current 5 shot 1 kill to a 6 shot one hit kill and the gap would be closed big time, also the best part about this system is that it will still feel like the current HP system of all guns take at least 6 hits. The two guns that would be the 5 hit kill would be tardus and neo rifle both at 20-22 damage.

Thoughts?
i just noticed with this system, the PBP would have to go down to 3 damage so it would be 14 in good shape upgraded it would be 19, i could deal with shotguns if this was implace and this system would be the fastest way to balance out all the weapons. To determine how much heals heal its just the current heal x2 (bed heals 5hp with this it would heal 10)

IF this was implace then damages would look like this (all in GOOD shape)
Neo = 20 damage
tardus = 22 damage
9 dmg = 18 damage
8 damage = 15 damage
7 = 14 damage
6 damage = 13 damage
5 dmg = 12 dmg
4 dmg = 11
3 = 10
2 = 9
1 = 8

I believe snake means "Just change health, if you double damage with double health, then nothing really changes"  

i have bar/pbp/shpika and i think they really too powerful

it makes basing just need spam ur expensive weapon then u can stand and get free kills.

if i dont use these weapons i dont think i can win any ppl

Although i dont want it be nerf but i m a noob and i know it.only adjust can make game

more balance