Posted by HON3Y BADG3R

What Latte said was right. But, Flo is also correct in they only denied 4 of the (20?) birth controls. Many people are taking it as a sexist issue but its freedom of religion. If you dont like it dont wonk for them! Go work at Michael's instead.

It's has little (if anything) to do with freedom of religion. It's solely based on the fact the crooks at Hobby Lobby want to bull**** their employees and save a few bucks while they're at it.  

Posted by iHot

It's has little (if anything) to do with freedom of religion. It's solely based on the fact the crooks at Hobby Lobby want to bull**** their employees and save a few bucks while they're at it.

Its religion. Christianity is against abortion. These "morning-after" pills kill the already fertilized egg. Killing the egg = abortion  

Posted by HON3Y BADG3R

Its religion. Christianity is against abortion. These "morning-after" pills kill the already fertilized egg. Killing the egg = abortion

That's like saying it's okay for one religion to push its beliefs onto its employees, even if their employees do not share their beliefs.

Also, if you removed a fertilized egg from the womb immediately, it would not be able to survive. It's not the same as a baby. It's goop at that point. If you don't believe me, pick up a science textbook. It takes quite some time for an infant to develop enough to survive outside the womb.  

Posted by Draenin

That's like saying it's okay for one religion to push its beliefs onto its employees, even if their employees do not share their beliefs.

Also, if you removed a fertilized egg from the womb immediately, it would not be able to survive. It's not the same as a baby. It's goop at that point. If you don't believe me, pick up a science textbook. It takes quite some time for an infant to develop enough to survive outside the womb.

If you dont like it, dont work there.

And we are agreeing on the same thing for your second part.  

Posted by HON3Y BADG3R

If you dont like it, dont work there.

But... the point is that this company is denying rights because of religion...  

Posted by Cookie Xanadu

But... the point is that this company is denying rights because of religion...

*sigh*

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution prohibits impeding the free exercise of religion.

Theology is AGAINST abortion. THUS, THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO EXCERCISE FREE RELIGION. They were being forced to go against what they believe in.

HMMMM... I THINK THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S DENYING THEIR CONSTUTIONAL RIGHT!

It's a simple issue omfg  

Posted by HON3Y BADG3R

*sigh*

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution prohibits impeding the free exercise of religion.

Theology is AGAINST abortion. THUS, THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO EXCERCISE FREE RELIGION. They were being forced to go against what they believe in.

HMMMM... I THINK THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S DENYING THEIR CONSTUTIONAL RIGHT!

It's a simple issue omfg

You have that, but you also have human rights that an employer must provide and this infringes on it. I'm all for expressing your beliefs and all but religion has absolutely no place in commerical and public sectors.  

Posted by Cookie Xanadu

You have that, but you also have human rights that an employer must provide and this infringes on it. I'm all for expressing your beliefs and all but religion has absolutely no place in commerical and public sectors.

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Religion always has a place. That is the beauty of Free Enterprise.  

Posted by HON3Y BADG3R

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Religion always has a place. That is the beauty of Free Enterprise.

Ya... because the government of a country that is supposed to separate state and church but doesn't is a perfect example...  

Posted by Dusty

Ya... because the government of a country that is supposed to separate state and church but doesn't is a perfect example...

It's where the case happened it's a perfect example.  

Take into account that although the Hobby Lobby v Sebelius case sprung up questions between religion and government, their arguments weren't even valid to begin with. Their first argument was that although the Affordable Care Act permitted them to choose not to provide insurance, they were being taxed " applied financial burden" and doing so harming the company. That was a joke, their numbers showed that tax was way less than what it could cost to provide each employee with full medical coverage as quoted by Justice Kagan, "you can't call something a financial burden when it in no way harms the individual(company)." Also, the Affordable Care Act also stated that should an employer deny an employee coverage, they would have to give the employee a sufficient amount of pay that would allow the individual to seek outside coverage. And even then, their numbers showed that that option was cheaper than choosing to give each employee coverage.

Second, they tried pulling the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment which was automatically shut down by Justice Ginsburg. The Affordable Care Act does not address that the tax applied was a consequence of the decision to not give coverage to an individual because of their religious affiliations or decisions. They were given well detailed options that either way was the smarter choice than choosing to bring their "useless" complaint to the floor.

Now I'm not saying that the question between Religion and Politics is answered through the Affordable Care act for this case or any situation. Our government contradicts itself with the Religion Clause by opening sessions with prayers and using the Holy Bible in Courts. But the argument the that Affordable Care Act hinders one's religious decision is just not valid.  

Posted by HON3Y BADG3R

It's where the case happened it's a perfect example.

A perfect example of what? Ignoring the laws?  

Posted by Skill

Now if Hobby Lobby was firing female workers for using birth control, then I'd be really upset. But simply refusing to pay for it themselves directly? This seems a bit extreme to be upset about.


Please enlighten me. I'm probably missing something.

they probably wouldnt fire female workers for using birth control,they would get sued.

Posted by Cookie Xanadu

Wage gap isn't as big as you think. Think about things such as maternity leave and what not. Men are generally willing to take greater risk. Then you have to remember that they takes ALL wages across the board. This is including predominately male jobs like mining, lobster fishing, etc. You know, things with a 75% chance of death. Granted I know there is a difference in some pay, it's just no wheres near as big as some people think because of this.

Come at me


Hobby Lobby should be forced to adhere to the rules and regulations set by your federal government. Religion + religious beliefs have no place in areas of business, government or education. Hell, if they're allowed to get away with this, then what's stopping other business owners from forming their own religion, having it recognized as a religion and then stating that paying their employees anything over $4.00 an hour is against their beliefs because "no man or woman should be paid a salary greater than $4.00 an hour as it is considered blasphemy."

say,u worked at mcdonalds,and the salary was $11.00 a hour, and another place payed $5.00. the salary,should be based on what regular restraunts pay that they can afford to pay their workers.if they have 1.00 a hour, no one aould work there.
And,if u want equal wages, it wont happen.if u want birth control,which is not covered by hobby lobby,u will get the same as men,but have to spend it on birth control and go and buy it. it is equal wages, and,if a woman didnt get birth control and needed it,they should of saved their money to buy birth control. for example,if your a man, and u needed food,ur company doesnt give free food. u spent all ur money on a game,and u are going to die in a day unless u eat, but have to spend money for no reason,and work because no one gave u food and spent ur money on useless items.

summary i couldnt really explain above..:Women who need birth control will choose to get birth control,taking money out of their wages. if a woman doesnt need birth control but still have periods,she still ends up wasting money on getting rid of periods, or birth control, so, there will never be equal wages for women and men.employers like hobby lobby,shouldnt have topay for birth control, if they could of bought it with their own money that they got in their wage.
sorry if any of my information is wrong, since i know nothing of this,or rules for insurance either.  

Dawn if you aren't even going to read the thread why post?  

i read every post on this thread.i just posted for fun since i have nothing else to do,since my brother deleted all my multiplayer apps except for a flash playing app called puffin.
u guys are fighting because women have unequal rights,arent getting insurance for birth control,and having to spend their own money on birth control.its unfair,but since i dont believe in god,for me,we regenerate as another thing.im too lazy to type anything else for this thread so bye..