Posted by PigParty

Terrorism requires political motive. Mentally ill people may commit major crimes but don't have political motive. There was no proof at that time (there still may be no proof, I don't know the current status) that it was a terrorist attack.

Terrorism doesn't require a political motive, at least according to modern media. Unless one considers a political state equal to a religious state. So in the case of ISIS, would one consider their actions terrorism, because they are not directly supported by a political state?
In most cases, the term "terrorism" is a subjective reality. One could consider anything that causes them fear or terror, to be terrorism.
It is defined by a state, thus it becomes political. However, it is not for political means, in cases of extremist groups.  

Posted by iMac

Terrorism doesn't require a political motive, at least according to modern media. Unless one considers a political state equal to a religious state. So in the case of ISIS, would one consider their actions terrorism, because they are not directly supported by a political state?
In most cases, the term "terrorism" is a subjective reality. One could consider anything that causes them fear or terror, to be terrorism.
It is defined by a state, thus it becomes political. However, it is not for political means, in cases of extremist groups.

ISIS is a terrorist organization because they despise the western way of life due to their government, freedom, sexualization in media, etc. They hate our way of life, their religion doesn't actually say to kill all who aren't Muslims. ISIS kills Muslims just as they do Christians and any religion. They don't have to be their own sovereign for it to be terrorism. Their motives have to be political, but they don't need to be their own state. They want to change our way of life. I saw some episode that talked about the rise of Muslim extremism and it said (I don't know if this is factual or not, though) that it started with this guy who moved to America I believe and saw how revealing the women's clothes were, the music, etc and hated the western culture.  

Posted by PigParty

ISIS is a terrorist organization because they despise the western way of life due to their government, freedom, sexualization in media, etc. They hate our way of life, their religion doesn't actually say to kill all who aren't Muslims. ISIS kills Muslims just as they do Christians and any religion. They don't have to be their own sovereign for it to be terrorism. Their motives have to be political, but they don't need to be their own state. They want to change our way of life. I saw some episode that talked about the rise of Muslim extremism and it said (I don't know if this is factual or not, though) that it started with this guy who moved to America I believe and saw how revealing the women's clothes were, the music, etc and hated the western culture.

But that entirely proves what I'm saying. Terrorism is defined by the state. However, it can be through religious motives. ISIS is Muslim and kill Muslims. These Muslims are Sunni muslims justifying the killing of Shia muslims through religious means. Though politics may be a factor, it is not what is causing the people to want to cause terror amongst another people group.  

Posted by iMac

But that entirely proves what I'm saying. Terrorism is defined by the state. However, it can be through religious motives. ISIS is Muslim and kill Muslims. These Muslims are Sunni muslims justifying the killing of Shia muslims through religious means. Though politics may be a factor, it is not what is causing the people to want to cause terror amongst another people group.

They hate Western government and culture, that is political in nature. They justify their actions through the Islamic religion. You're mistaking their justification for their motive. Terrorism is defined as the use of violence for political goals. Some religions say you should sacrifice humans, however that is not terrorism because there is no political goal. ISIS' attacks are terrorism because they have a political aim with their attacks.  

Posted by PigParty

They hate Western government and culture, that is political in nature. They justify their actions through the Islamic religion. You're mistaking their justification for their motive. Terrorism is defined as the use of violence for political goals. Some religions say you should sacrifice humans, however that is not terrorism because there is no political goal. ISIS' attacks are terrorism because they have a political aim with their attacks.

It is not a mistake, it is simply reality. Motive and justification are aligned; though one may come after the other.  

Posted by PigParty

ISIS is a terrorist organization because they despise the western way of life due to their government, freedom, sexualization in media, etc. They hate our way of life, their religion doesn't actually say to kill all who aren't Muslims. ISIS kills Muslims just as they do Christians and any religion. They don't have to be their own sovereign for it to be terrorism. Their motives have to be political, but they don't need to be their own state. They want to change our way of life. I saw some episode that talked about the rise of Muslim extremism and it said (I don't know if this is factual or not, though) that it started with this guy who moved to America I believe and saw how revealing the women's clothes were, the music, etc and hated the western culture.

Radical Islam has been around since the death of Muhammad himself, and with the Sunni/Shia split. It started to become anti western with the spread of westernization in Europe, Africa, Asia and eventually the Americas.  

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but the chance of it being a typical female driver is high.  

Ripperoni  

Posted by Basi

lol it was probably a muslim

Hardly a "lol" moment.  

Posted by CM

Radical Islam has been around since the death of Muhammad himself, and with the Sunni/Shia split. It started to become anti western with the spread of westernization in Europe, Africa, Asia and eventually the Americas.

It's all terrorism. Though the ulterior motive may be painted as such, especially by mainstream media, it is a continuation of the holy war.  

This is exactly the reason why i despise living in big name cities. I feel like los angeles will be next  

Posted by Weeno

This is exactly the reason why i despise living in big name cities. I feel like los angeles will be next

Jokes on them, I live in rural Texas  

also for yall feuding about terrorism :
ter·ror·ism

noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.  

Apparently the guy posted a cryptic message about it on 4chan the night before:

 

Posted by Weeno

This is exactly the reason why i despise living in big name cities. I feel like los angeles will be next

wouldn't be suprised at all if that happened