So i have this project in school, and i was assigned to write about why abortion is good. My project is for abortion, and the other guy is against it, its like a debate against each other on why its good or bad. Now, remember that thread about that fight i got into? Yeah, well since i was suspended when the project was assigned, i wasn't given the chance to choose if i was for or against abortion. Now i'm stuck writing about how abortion is good which i completely disagree with.

I confronted the teacher and told her i couldnt write and debate on such a subject. I asked her if i could switch to writing about being against abortion, but she said it was already taken and i have to work with what i have. I told her i wouldn do it and she said i fail her class if i didnt.

What the **** is this? In school you cant even talk about religion or politics and this person has me debating for something i dont even believe in? What kind of crap is that? There's this other group thats debating for and against who created the world, science or God? Absolutely ridiculous!  

When you have to write an expository essay it doesn't matter if you are personally for or against it, the point is for you to do the research and provide an argument. Who knows, maybe you'll learn something you didn't know.  

The irony.  

Posted by Dusty

When you have to write an expository essay it doesn't matter if you are personally for or against it, the point is for you to do the research and provide an argument. Who knows, maybe you'll learn something you didn't know.

And do you yourself agree with this? That's basically what I'm asking.*I have to present and debate against some kid on something I don't even believe in? Does that in he slightest make any sense to you?

Posted by 5hift

The irony.

Same goes for you buster!  

Posted by DJ Meow

And do you yourself agree with this? That's basically what I'm asking.*I have to present and debate against some kid on something I don't even believe in? Does that in he slightest make any sense to you?

Education is about broadening your horizons and learning to think critically for yourself. Narrowing your views and education to what you like means you're not learning the full story, and thus you have a biased viewpoint. The more educated you are about a topic, from all angles, the more likely people will take your arguments seriously.

You don't have to believe in what you're saying, you just have to approach it factually. State the facts as to why abortion is good. You may not have to agree with them, but if the facts say "abortion decreases poverty by 20% in areas where it's readily accessible," then that's what the facts say. There are enough pros and cons for all topics that even after you write this essay you'll still probably have plenty of reasons to disagree with abortion. But you'll walk away more educated.  

Posted by DJ Meow

And do you yourself agree with this? That's basically what I'm asking.*I have to present and debate against some kid on something I don't even believe in? Does that in he slightest make any sense to you?

Thats the point of an expository essay.

You don't have to believe in the topic, this is just meant to improve your note-taking skills, research methods and general writing experience.

I'm honestly 89% sure you're making this all up since there are few schools in the US that would bother having their kids write about such controversial topics such as abortion and religion.

Not worth all the angry emails from protective parents.

You should probably take this opportunity to learn more about literary analysis since you clearly don't know what irony is.  

Just do the God damn essay and stop complaining.  

Normally in a debate you would think of either side of the argument. (Being able to contradict your own points).

You may be stuck with arguing a side of an argument that you do not necesarilly believe in, however this is a good learning process, and may actually teach you new ways of thinking.

In terms of you being angry at not being able to do topics that you like more, most of the time a vast amount of topics can be used to debate in a certain topic.
For example, in the case of "For Abortion", you could mention many Catholics views, that life begins at Conception, and therefore abortion for them is murder, and thus goes against the commandment of "do not kill". Also life is God given in many Catholics opinion, and therefore life is sacred, and only God can take away life. I do not personally believe these things, but I recall debating these points when I was in your situation a year or two ago. There is a huge possibility of things you can say, and each new point is an extra bit of knowledge for you.

Conclusion.
Just because you have to debate in a certain side, does not mean you have to believe what you are arguing. Trying to debate both sides of the argument, will really make you get a better idea of that topic.
Also as others have said, when debating you do not necessarily have to agree with what you are saying, it is all part of the learning process.

Goodluck.

Posted by DJ Meow

There's this other group thats debating for and against who created the world, science or God? Absolutely ridiculous!

I love this argument.
Science of course. Anyone who wants to challenge that, send me a PM.  

It is not about freedom, it is about your future. If you don't do it because you don't like it, then you maybe won't be able to get your favourite job and have to do something you don't like for life, or refuse to work and live under a bridge.

You need to get used to bad luck and rules, it's what life is.  

Maybe if you hadn't gotten yourself suspended in the first place you wouldn't have this debate topic.  

Posted by Dusty

Education is about broadening your horizons and learning to think critically for yourself. Narrowing your views and education to what you like means you're not learning the full story, and thus you have a biased viewpoint. The more educated you are about a topic, from all angles, the more likely people will take your arguments seriously.

You don't have to believe in what you're saying, you just have to approach it factually. State the facts as to why abortion is good. You may not have to agree with them, but if the facts say "abortion decreases poverty by 20% in areas where it's readily accessible," then that's what the facts say. There are enough pros and cons for all topics that even after you write this essay you'll still probably have plenty of reasons to disagree with abortion. But you'll walk away more educated.

Just go with it is what your saying. If someone told me to touch the oven, I should do It, so next time I learn not to. If someone told me to kill myself? I should do it right? Because I'm learning new things and broadening my education. I can learn how hot an oven really Is, or hey, I can experience death for myself! FUN! There are some things that don't need to be learned in life. I don't want to learn why abortion Is good because I know it's not. I shouldn't be forced to say something I dont want to say. It's wrong.*

Have you ever tried convincing a gay guy to not be gay anymore? Have you ever tried convincing an atheist (yeah I went there) to not be one and turn to Christ? Tell me how that went for you.

My point is there are some things you can't convince people, and forcing them to do something they don't want to do is wrong. Well I should speak for myself since I did question a few religions on multiple forums here and there, but I was never forcing them to do it just informing.....constantly....and persistently....yeah I never give up do I?*

Posted by Mangsi

Just do the God damn essay and stop complaining.

Hey, don't use the lords name in vain!  

Posted by DJ Meow

Just go with it is what your saying. If someone told me to touch the oven, I should do It, so next time I learn not to. If someone told me to kill myself? I should do it right? Because I'm learning new things and broadening my education. I can learn how hot an oven really Is, or hey, I can experience death for myself! FUN! There are some things that don't need to be learned in life. I don't want to learn why abortion Is good because I know it's not. I shouldn't be forced to say something I dont want to say. It's wrong.*

Have you ever tried convincing a gay guy to not be gay anymore? Have you ever tried convincing an atheist (yeah I went there) to not be one and turn to Christ? Tell me how that went for you.

My point is there are some things you can't convince people, and forcing them to do something they don't want to do is wrong. Well I should speak for myself since I did question a few religions on multiple forums here and there, but I was never forcing them to do it just informing.....constantly....and persistently....yeah I never give up do I?*

It's not about life or death, or your sexuality. It's about understanding something that is extremely important from both perspectives. You don't have comfortable with it. That's not how learning works.  

Posted by DJ Meow

Just go with it is what your saying. If someone told me to touch the oven, I should do It, so next time I learn not to. If someone told me to kill myself? I should do it right? Because I'm learning new things and broadening my education. I can learn how hot an oven really Is, or hey, I can experience death for myself! FUN! There are some things that don't need to be learned in life. I don't want to learn why abortion Is good because I know it's not. I shouldn't be forced to say something I dont want to say. It's wrong.*

Have you ever tried convincing a gay guy to not be gay anymore? Have you ever tried convincing an atheist (yeah I went there) to not be one and turn to Christ? Tell me how that went for you.

My point is there are some things you can't convince people, and forcing them to do something they don't want to do is wrong. Well I should speak for myself since I did question a few religions on multiple forums here and there, but I was never forcing them to do it just informing.....constantly....and persistently....yeah I never give up do I?*



Hey, don't use the lords name in vain!

Just do the essay. It's a life skill to be able to argue towards a particular point, and doing the research will give you more information about the other side.

For instance, I used to love big government and policies like free college tuition. But after taking a class in economics, I realized that there is another perspective to these issues. It's not just "people who believe in small government are assholes".  

Posted by 5hift

You should probably take this opportunity to learn more about literary analysis since you clearly don't know what irony is.

What the hell? I know what irony means! Isn't it like that shiny silver thingy in minecraft?

OH, and another thing! Okay, this ones for you Dusty and 5hift. If I asked you to suck some guys ****. You would do it right, because you learning new things right?  

Posted by DJ Meow

Just go with it is what your saying. If someone told me to touch the oven, I should do It, so next time I learn not to. If someone told me to kill myself? I should do it right? Because I'm learning new things and broadening my education. I can learn how hot an oven really Is, or hey, I can experience death for myself! FUN! There are some things that don't need to be learned in life. I don't want to learn why abortion Is good because I know it's not. I shouldn't be forced to say something I dont want to say. It's wrong.*

Have you ever tried convincing a gay guy to not be gay anymore? Have you ever tried convincing an atheist (yeah I went there) to not be one and turn to Christ? Tell me how that went for you.

My point is there are some things you can't convince people, and forcing them to do something they don't want to do is wrong. Well I should speak for myself since I did question a few religions on multiple forums here and there, but I was never forcing them to do it just informing.....constantly....and persistently....yeah I never give up do I?*

not to b a **** but ur teacher does not give two ****s about ur opinion or ur problems and neither does the majority of people here so stop complaining and just do the essay.

or dont i mean its ur F not ours