What if there was a human, born as a healthy baby boy. That baby was instantly put into an environment, with an unlimited surplus of healthy food, with apple trees blooming in the spring time, and crystal clean water running down the distant hills into small ponds that lie before his feet, rich with essential minerals, with nothing but a lamb to accompany, to grow and prosper with him. The boy gives him access to his food in exchange for warm clothing in the winter. There's no one to impress, no one to love, and no one to send a Snapchat video to when he's listening to his favorite song. He has a friend, but it's a friend with a benefit. He needs that lamb to survive in the winter, and has no wish to bond with or love that lamb.

What if there was a computer, with true artificial intelligence. No ligaments, no moving parts, no usb accessories, just a computer not monitored by humans, just floating in space doing absolutely nothing. That computer needs its existence to, well... exist, to live. In this computer is a simulation of a human, born as a healthy baby boy. That baby was instantly put into an environment, with an unlimited surplus of healthy food, with apple trees blooming in the spring time, and crystal clean water running down the distant hills into small ponds that lie before his feet, rich with essential minerals, with nothing but a lamb to accompany, to grow and prosper with him. The boy gives him access to his food in exchange for warm clothing in the winter. There's no one to impress, no one to love, and no one to send a Snapchat video to when he's listening to his favorite song. He has a friend, but it's a friend with a benefit. He needs that lamb to survive in the winter, and has no wish to bond with or love that lamb.

There's no point in this story. There's no plot, no conflict. It's just a simulation. You see, the computer is the simulation, and the boy is the artificial intelligence. The computer, or the artificial intelligence rather, needs the machine to exist, and the boy needs the lamb to exist. The lamb is the machine. What does the artificial intelligence think about if there's no external stimulus to trigger that thought, does it have the power to decide? If the boy allows the lamb to exist, thus allowing himself to exist, is it to say the artificial intelligence allows itself to exist?

Do we allow ourselves to exist by pure decision?  

What do you consider "existence"?  

Posted by Areo

What do you consider "existence"?

This is a great question

Posted by TWIZ

What if there was a human, born as a healthy baby boy. That baby was instantly put into an environment, with an unlimited surplus of healthy food, with apple trees sprouting in the spring time, and crystal clean water running down the distant hills into small ponds that lie before his feet, rich with essential minerals, with nothing but a lamb to accompany, to grow and prosper with him. The boy gives him access to his food in exchange for warm clothing in the winter. There's no one to impress, no one to love, and no one to send a Snapchat video to when he's listening to his favorite song. He has a friend, but it's a friend with a benefit. He needs that lamb to survive in the winter, and has no wish to bond with or love that lamb.

What if there was a computer, with true artificial intelligence. No ligaments, no moving parts, no usb accessories, just a computer not monitored by humans, just floating in space doing absolutely nothing. That computer needs its existence to, well... exist, to live. In this computer is a simulation of a human, born as a healthy baby boy. That baby was instantly put into an environment, with an unlimited surplus of healthy food, with apple trees sprouting in the spring time, and crystal clean water running down the distant hills into small ponds that lie before his feet, rich with essential minerals, with nothing but a lamb to accompany, to grow and prosper with him. The boy gives him access to his food in exchange for warm clothing in the winter. There's no one to impress, no one to love, and no one to send a Snapchat video to when he's listening to his favorite song. He has a friend, but it's a friend with a benefit. He needs that lamb to survive in the winter, and has no wish to bond with or love that lamb.

There's no point in this story. There's no plot, no conflict. It's just a simulation. You see, the computer is the simulation, and the boy is the artificial intelligence. The computer, or the artificial intelligence rather, needs the machine to exist, and the boy needs the lamb to exist. The lamb is the machine. What does the artificial intelligence think about if there's no external stimulus to trigger that thought, does it have the power to decide? If the boy allows the lamb to exist, thus allowing himself to exist, is it to say the artificial intelligence allows itself to exist?

Do we allow ourselves to exist by pure decision?

This will be a good thread  

Posted by Areo

What do you consider "existence"?

I'm not quite sure. Life may not be the definition of existence. I believe some things in the universe are left unexplainable to the human mind, and I believe this dark matter debate is really just the shadow of another dimension, and is not comprehensible to human consciousness, and that it holds whatever answer is out there. Maybe a theory of gravity can explain our existence.

Or we're just robots. We're just creatures with instinct and tendency, driven by a sense of sight, smell, touch, sound and taste, with only a destiny to illude us from the truth. Or our intelligence allows us to grasp that higher meaning, but prevents us to understanding it. You might consider that higher meaning a soul if you want to, or there's a scientific explanation that's completely disregarded because of the belief in the first sentence of this paragraph.  

Posted by TWIZ

I believe this dark matter debate is really just the shadow of another dimension, and is not comprehensible to human consciousness, and that it holds whatever answer is out there. Maybe a theory of gravity can explain our existence.

Gravitational waves and the warping of space-time was just recorded and proven(this is a huge scientific breakthrough and changes everything), this will allow us to study dark matter very very soon!!  

Posted by Colin

Gravitational waves and the warping of space-time was just recorded and proven(this is a huge scientific breakthrough and changes everything), this will allow us to study dark matter very very soon!!

I saw that too, I got uber excited!  

I've been thinking -- does the ability to consciously change your own brain chemistry grant, and prove, the ability to choose, versus metaphorically being a robot?

Is this the key to true artificial intelligence? Once robots are given the ability to change the system in which they perceive, analyze, and act, (so probably an algorithm), do they suddenly receive consciousness? This would likely mean consciousness is part of an external influence on human action, and would mean we do, as I said, allow ourselves to exist by pure decision. Well, theoretically, at least.  

Honestly, just take about 5+ grams of Magic Mushrooms and all your answers will be solved. You literally will ask a million questions in ur head and answer them all. Time will not make jack sense and mean absolutely nothing. Words will mean nothing, it's crazy and I recommend you to try since your really into all this meaning of life stuff. just make sure you don't do anything crazy and have a sitter lol. Anyways, bye ~ : )  

Posted by Its_Nanner

Honestly, just take about 5+ grams of Magic Mushrooms and all your answers will be solved. You literally will ask a million questions in ur head and answer them all. Time will not make jack sense and mean absolutely nothing. Words will mean nothing, it's crazy and I recommend you to try since your really into all this meaning of life stuff. just make sure you don't do anything crazy and have a sitter lol. Anyways, bye ~ : )

advice noted lol  

Bruh

Is the s or c silent in scent?
Why do noses run, but feet smell?
If u drop soap on the floor, is the floor clean or the soap dirty?
Who put the alphabet in alphabetical order?

Too deep man  

Posted by Clown

Bruh

Is the s or c silent in scent?
Why do noses run, but feet smell?
If u drop soap on the floor, is the floor clean or the soap dirty?
Who put the alphabet in alphabetical order?

Too deep man

Gotta admit, that noses run/feet smell question had me thinking.  

Posted by Clown

Bruh

Is the s or c silent in scent?
Why do noses run, but feet smell?
If u drop soap on the floor, is the floor clean or the soap dirty?
Who put the alphabet in alphabetical order?

Too deep man

The S is silent because there is a word "cent" which is pronounced the same way as scent. So thus the S is silent ;D  

Posted by Clown

Bruh

Is the s or c silent in scent?
Why do noses run, but feet smell?
If u drop soap on the floor, is the floor clean or the soap dirty?
Who put the alphabet in alphabetical order?

Too deep man

Bruh.

That is some really deep ****.  

I was thinking again, as usual I guess. I think I figured out that personality is what causes people to be deeply interested in philosophy/sociology, and even psychology, almost like an obsessive passion. Well, let's not make it so simple. Intelligence is a catalyst, and personality is a direction of interest. When someone witholds different personality characteristics, those traits clash, causing you to behave with hesitation in every move rather than to be decisive, and as to not be a hypocrite (hence the intelligence part), the only solution is to develop a systematic set of guidelines and observations that you review in every decision. However, as you learn, you make constant changes to that "personal guide of decisiveness." I've always wondered how others' theories actually fit together as one, such as Lockes theory on socialization or the self mirror theory, and I think this one ties it all in a knot. This theory can also explain interests in other subjects I suppose.

I know this doesn't really relate to what I call the "Adam and Eve theory," which I sort of explained in the OP, I wanted to post it somewhere.  

ok.